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Jan 10 2014, 19:33
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Jan 10 2014, 18:06)  Ok, thats an valid argument. But i have at the moment full leather and 35 burden. And even one shade, would reduce the burden and give me a bonus to evade. So even just one shade would raise my evade, i still cant see how this would be bad.
In your case it would be better even if the full advantages of a shade piece would be mitigated from the still-high burden; it would be bad in the case from a full shade set you start to add some leather equip
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Jan 10 2014, 19:41
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 10 2014, 20:36)  What's the difference, exactly? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Chance from leather to shade increase your evade, from shade to leather you decrease your evade. So i still would not say, never ever mix up these. But i would agree that full shade is way better than full leather.
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Jan 10 2014, 19:43
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LazyShd
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Jan 10 2014, 21:26)  Don't, look out for Shades, as you level up, you'll find that you can clear every Arena on PF and want to speed up the process. And Shades offer a lot more offensive stats than Leather.
Also, having good DW weapons is much more important than 2h.
The price of a good Shade is out of my reach, just going to grind level then. Yesterday started accidentally The Trio and the Tree arena on PF... and cleared it out, did not think I could do it.
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Jan 10 2014, 19:52
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buktore
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Jan 11 2014, 00:41)  Chance from leather to shade increase your evade, from shade to leather you decrease your evade.
So i still would not say, never ever mix up these. But i would agree that full shade is way better than full leather.
Other stat do exist— evade is just 1 of them...
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Jan 10 2014, 19:52
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Jan 11 2014, 02:41)  Chance from leather to shade increase your evade, from shade to leather you decrease your evade.
So i still would not say, never ever mix up these. But i would agree that full shade is way better than full leather.
Change from leather to shade increase your evade, from shade to leather you decrease your evade. + Change from leather to shade increase your offense, from shade to leather you decrease your offense. I think the damage bonus factor is one of the important reason why some people recommend full shade. Leather provides good defense for light, but it does not provide offense. When your level get higher (maybe 350~400+?) and get enough defense from PABs (+equip's PAB, too) and proficiency, you would want to raise your offense at the cost of some defense. And as you know, the shade is the only light armor that provides attack damage. Offense vs defense may be a red-hot issue for everyone. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by Cats Lover: Jan 10 2014, 19:54
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Jan 10 2014, 19:54
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Uncle Stu
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Cats Lover is of course right, i forgot about the damage bonus.
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Jan 10 2014, 20:14
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Aerith12
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QUOTE(LazyShd @ Jan 10 2014, 10:43)  The price of a good Shade is out of my reach, just going to grind level then.
Yesterday started accidentally The Trio and the Tree arena on PF... and cleared it out, did not think I could do it.
congrats on that.
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Jan 10 2014, 21:16
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Tenrag
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Can anyone explain this to me? This is the first time I got a schoolgirl on a RE. Was there some update I don't know about? Or maybe it has just so extremely low chance of happening? 
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Jan 10 2014, 21:19
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Dan31
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QUOTE(Tenrag @ Jan 10 2014, 20:16)  Can anyone explain this to me? This is the first time I got a schoolgirl on a RE. Was there some update I don't know about? Or maybe it has just so extremely low chance of happening?
Yeah, low chance. This post has been edited by Dan31: Jan 10 2014, 21:19
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Jan 10 2014, 21:23
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 11 2014, 03:08)  ... But what exactly is offense and what exactly is defense? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It's easy to say that higher number is better, but knowing what the number actually mean in the battle is a different story altogether... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Yeah, so it is the hot issue. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I think that depends on each person about the exact number.This might be just convenient and dodging answer (too general one), but it's true because everyone has different goals and playing pattern, above all, the directing point of their play. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) For example, if someone want to play HV in his spare time with lowest difficulty, it's OK whatever equip he wears. But this thread is 'Ask the Experts!', Q&A that novices want to know the most easiest and the most effective ways to proceed. So more experienced people will suggest some directions with their experience. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) For detailed question including stats, gears and his goal, we can offer more detailed answer. But for an indefinite question, the answer also might be a general one. BTW I don't have much knowledge on light armor because I have used heavy only, so I'll give an example for heavy armor. Fortunately, heavy also has similar situation for offense vs defense - power vs plate. I once had no power armors, even no protection at all, just some plate of various suffix at about 300 lvl. But the defense was already enough for arenas because of the shield's block and counter-attack's stun, so I decided to change my plates to powers. I worried about the defense: "Can I endure monster's attack even if I changed my one plate to power?" And the fears are utterly groundless. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) 65% PMI was also OK after changed whole gears from plate to power, but lower than 65% PMI sometimes makes an unbearable situatation. "65% PMI" was "the exact number" for me, and the number can be vary from user to user. But I can say this: "If you're "300+ level" 1H heavy user with "a decent shield", feeling lack of damage and you want to clear "some arena" quickly, it's OK to change your plate gears to power one by one to raise your "some ADB" at the cost of "some PMI"" (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) This post has been edited by Cats Lover: Jan 10 2014, 21:41
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Jan 10 2014, 22:44
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happy.forum
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"The best defence is a good offence" As Mages will attest to.
However, one strange thing about Shade 1-H is that you will counter attack less because evade rolls before block and parry. In a similar fashion, attack speed indirectly causes the stun from counter attack to last longer on monsters, which also causes them to attack less -> get counter attacked less.
I'm no expert, but if I were you, I'd probably start tacking on some shade pieces as you feel comfortable. Not only will you have higher base damage, but Shade also works well with the other fighting styles (2-H estoc to a lesser extent unless you're awesome), so building up a Shade set wouldn't hurt.
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Jan 10 2014, 22:51
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buktore
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Jan 11 2014, 02:23)  This might be just convenient and dodging answer
I didn't expect any answer, anyway— it's a rhetorical question that didn't directed to anyone in particular. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Anyway... To illustrate what I'm trying to say, here's a simple example/analogy:— Critical chance bonus, for instance, can have widely different effects on different style despite having the same amount of it— Here's an example: it is kinda meh on 1H, where it just add a small amount of offense, but on the other hand, it's particularly good on 2H mace, where it add, relatively speaking, a lot more in both offense and defense.
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Jan 10 2014, 23:04
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Dan31
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 10 2014, 21:51)  I didn't expect any answer, anyway— it's a rhetorical question that didn't directed to anyone in particular. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Anyway... To illustrate what I'm trying to say, here's a simple example/analogy:— Critical chance bonus, for instance, can have widely different effects on different style despite having the same amount of it— Here's an example: it is kinda meh on 1H, where it just add a small amount of offense, but on the other hand, it's particularly good on 2H mace, where it add, relatively speaking, a lot more in both offense and defense. You make me feel better about using a Mace of Balance.
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Jan 10 2014, 23:11
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Oversoul
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QUOTE(LazyShd @ Jan 10 2014, 18:43)  The price of a good Shade is out of my reach, just going to grind level then.
Yesterday started accidentally The Trio and the Tree arena on PF... and cleared it out, did not think I could do it.
What do you consider good? I have some Ex Fleet/Mag Negation lying around. Your next goal should be PF marathons, hopefully you can find decent club/rapier. :3
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Jan 11 2014, 01:20
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LazyShd
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Jan 11 2014, 01:11)  What do you consider good? I have some Ex Fleet/Mag Negation lying around.
Your next goal should be PF marathons, hopefully you can find decent club/rapier. :3
For marathons, I do not mentally ready, it takes too much time (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I have Mag/Ex Negation set, but Leg leather feels better, especially at high difficulties. Leather stats:  Shade stats: This post has been edited by LazyShd: Jan 11 2014, 01:27
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Jan 11 2014, 03:39
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Colman
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QUOTE(LazyShd @ Jan 11 2014, 07:20)  For marathons, I do not mentally ready, it takes too much time (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I have Mag/Ex Negation set, but Leg leather feels better, especially at high difficulties. Leather stats:  Shade stats:  You change full leather to full shade? Your weapon is not ethereal? Why the dodge increase is so small?
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Jan 11 2014, 07:40
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holy_demon
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Energy Drink at Stamina 30 inscreases my Stamina by 20. Is that normal or a bug? O_o
This post has been edited by holy_demon: Jan 11 2014, 07:40
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Jan 11 2014, 07:46
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something
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jan 10 2014, 20:39)  You change full leather to full shade? Your weapon is not ethereal? Why the dodge increase is so small?
full negation has shit evade compared to full fleet/shadowdancer. full arcanist is even worse. at his level he has more evade then i do(i just hit 35%). This post has been edited by something: Jan 11 2014, 07:46
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