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Jan 10 2014, 18:00
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CapableScoutMan
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Is this a decent set for DWing through the last three arenas? Should I also make a Shadowdancer set for 1Hing lower arenas, and other uses? (I know it's a bit low quality, I assembled it from what I had lying around.) I use these two for DWing. Also, does the cost reduction from the IA hath perks work even if you don't have all the slots filled?
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Jan 10 2014, 18:17
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Drakewyn
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Okay... got a borrowed shield and started playing around with 1H again (hadn't since level 5!)... Wow. I've got 16-ish proficiency and I'm using my Arcanist Shade set and I'm still virtually invulnerable at Hell difficulty in the early Arenas. Even my Random Encounters with 9+ monsters aren't tough if I Sleep 3 & Silence 3 at the beginning. Yeah, damage output is kinda low ( using this right now), but I'm almost never casting heal. This post has been edited by Drakewyn: Jan 10 2014, 18:19
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Jan 10 2014, 18:17
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Colman
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QUOTE(CapableScoutMan @ Jan 11 2014, 00:00)  Is this a decent set for DWing through the last three arenas? Should I also make a Shadowdancer set for 1Hing lower arenas, and other uses? (I know it's a bit low quality, I assembled it from what I had lying around.) I use these two for DWing. Also, does the cost reduction from the IA hath perks work even if you don't have all the slots filled? Never mix shade with leather. Also, 1H heavy is faster (turn-wise). QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Jan 11 2014, 00:17)  Okay... got a borrowed shield and started playing around with 1H again (hadn't since level 5!)...
Wow.
I've got 16-ish proficiency and I'm using my Arcanist Shade set and I'm still virtually invulnerable at Hell difficulty in the early Arenas. Even my Random Encounters with 9+ monsters aren't tough if I Sleep 3 & Silence 3 at the beginning.
Yeah, damage output is kinda low ([url=http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=31503673&key=85b36e4aee"using this right now"[/url]), but using this right now I'm almost never casting heal.
Why use club with 1H? counter can stun already. This post has been edited by Colman: Jan 10 2014, 18:19
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Jan 10 2014, 18:37
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 11 2014, 00:54)  won't that be like the biggest waste ever if you don't wait?
It's not waste when you can afford bunch of crystals. You'll rather lose the chance to get more materials and bindings the monster would get. It's similar to use Energy Drink to get stamina right now to grind more and more, not to wait for natural restoration. Giving an extreme example, do you wait your HP and MP naturally restored before entering arena, not to use potions? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Jan 10 2014, 18:38
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 10 2014, 12:30)  What about other everything? Katana+waki for example?
Yay, i can't clear stages faster than with Niten Ichiryuu, and the special skill allow to stun/pierce various enemies... Isn't it a bir undervalued?
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Jan 10 2014, 18:45
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buktore
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QUOTE(LazyShd @ Jan 10 2014, 18:30)  But up to 6 enemies splashed with 2H... Time to grind 1H proficiency...
1H only work well on higher level, so if you don't feel like having any problem with what you do now, you don't need to change anything. 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Jan 10 2014, 18:47
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jan 10 2014, 19:17)  Never mix shade with leather.
Why not? Its both light armor.
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Jan 10 2014, 18:49
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buktore
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Jan 10 2014, 23:47)  Why not? Its both light armor.
I was going to ask exactly the same thing... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Jan 10 2014, 18:51
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Owyn
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Well I like my Mace, it lets me afk-style clear every arena, and clear full IWBTH randoms with few heals&sparks, but I was thinking if there was anything better ;p QUOTE You'll rather lose the chance to get more materials and bindings the monster would get. Still don't see much correspondence, I mostly get bindings\materials just for waiting, not kills of my monsters (most of em got like 1 win) but still bring me shizzles every day
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Jan 10 2014, 18:54
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Colman
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Jan 11 2014, 00:47)  Why not? Its both light armor.
The burden from leather reduce the evade from shade by a large proportion.
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Jan 10 2014, 18:58
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jan 10 2014, 19:54)  The burden from leather reduce the evade from shade by a large proportion.
I count more on parry then on evade.
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Jan 10 2014, 19:02
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erwtsnert
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You should still prioritize evade over parry though, since parry only blocks basic attacks. Parry is a nice bonus defensive stat, but it shouldn't be your main one.
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Jan 10 2014, 19:04
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buktore
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Jan 10 2014, 23:58)  I count more on parry then on evade.
I count more on crit then on both of them— and I'm not kidding! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) CODE 18 8 You hit Tina Koi for 6968 void damage. 18 6 You crit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 19774 void damage. 18 5 You crit Dazzling Fairy for 16459 void damage. 18 3 You crit Rak Wraithraiser for 25527 void damage. 18 1 You hit Yellow Sunshine for 11426 void damage. 17 6 You crit Sheep Lord Esheep for 21734 void damage. 17 5 You crit Rorix for 20108 void damage. 17 3 You crit Doragonica for 22831 void damage. 17 2 You crit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 25238 void damage. 17 1 You crit Tina Koi for 20831 void damage. 16 1 Spirit Stance Engaged 15 7 You crit Rorix for 13182 void damage. 15 6 You hit Yellow Sunshine for 3364 void damage. 15 4 You crit Doragonica for 8372 void damage. 15 2 You crit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 10425 void damage. 15 1 You crit Tina Koi for 11435 void damage. 14 7 You crit Sheep Lord Esheep for 5710 void damage. 14 6 You crit Rorix for 11300 void damage. 14 5 You hit Tina Koi for 7413 void damage. 14 4 You crit Rak Wraithraiser for 4927 void damage. 14 3 You hit Yellow Sunshine for 6456 void damage. 14 2 You crit Doragonica for 11304 void damage. 14 1 You hit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 5356 void damage. 13 5 You hit Sheep Lord Esheep for 3327 void damage. 13 4 You crit Rorix for 7976 void damage. 13 3 You crit Tina Koi for 10416 void damage. 13 2 You hit Doragonica for 7928 void damage. 13 1 You crit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 9108 void damage. 12 5 You hit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 6330 void damage. 12 4 You hit Doragonica for 6262 void damage. 12 3 You hit Dazzling Fairy for 5302 void damage. 12 2 You crit Rak Wraithraiser for 12540 void damage. 12 1 You hit Yellow Sunshine for 5847 void damage. 11 7 You crit Tina Koi for 6165 void damage. 11 6 You crit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 7742 void damage. 11 5 You crit Doragonica for 10632 void damage. 11 3 You crit Dazzling Fairy for 7746 void damage. 11 2 You hit Rak Wraithraiser for 6398 void damage. 11 1 You crit Yellow Sunshine for 12082 void damage.
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Jan 10 2014, 19:06
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something
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Jan 10 2014, 11:58)  I count more on parry then on evade.
+1 2 16 You parry the attack from Chosenuno. 2 15 You parry the attack from Blue Sunshine. 2 14 You parry the attack from Nobunaka. 2 13 You parry the attack from Firstuser2001. 2 12 You evade the attack from Renamed Reptilian. 2 11 You parry the attack from Megaplayboy. 2 10 You parry the attack from Nanoha Takamachi. 2 9 You parry the attack from Nobunaka. 2 8 I Fear Dagger hits you for 795 crushing damage. 2 7 You evade the attack from Death Claw. 2 6 You evade the attack from Blue Sunshine. 2 5 You evade the attack from Chosenuno. 2 4 You parry the attack from Firstuser2001. 2 3 You evade the attack from Renamed Reptilian. 2 2 You gain the effect Heartseeker. 2 1 You cast Heartseeker.
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Jan 10 2014, 19:06
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Dan31
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Well, you actually can mix shade and leather since Tenboro reworked how burden penalties scale in 0.76. QUOTE - Burden and Interference penalties now use a different scaling function for stat reduction - instead of linear, it's now exponential to the power of 1.5. -- Seeing as the penalty factor is between 0 and 1, this means the first few points of burden/interference has a much smaller effect, while the max penalty is unchanged. -- For example, evade reduction for burden starts from the first point and caps at 75. With the new scaling, 25 burden would reduce evade by ~19% (was ~33%), while 50 burden would reduce it by ~54% (was ~67%). 75 burden still reduces it by 100%. I prefer to go full shade for 0 burden and a better evade though.
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Jan 10 2014, 19:06
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Uncle Stu
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Ok, thats an valid argument. But i have at the moment full leather and 35 burden. And even one shade, would reduce the burden and give me a bonus to evade. So even just one shade would raise my evade, i still cant see how this would be bad.
This post has been edited by Stulpen: Jan 10 2014, 19:07
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Jan 10 2014, 19:19
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LazyShd
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May be worth to replace Warding parts with Protection ones?
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Jan 10 2014, 19:26
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Oversoul
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QUOTE(LazyShd @ Jan 10 2014, 18:19)  May be worth to replace Warding parts with Protection ones?
Don't, look out for Shades, as you level up, you'll find that you can clear every Arena on PF and want to speed up the process. And Shades offer a lot more offensive stats than Leather. Also, having good DW weapons is much more important than 2h. This post has been edited by Oversoul: Jan 10 2014, 19:27
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Jan 10 2014, 19:28
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 11 2014, 01:51)  Well I like my Mace, it lets me afk-style clear every arena, and clear full IWBTH randoms with few heals&sparks, but I was thinking if there was anything better ;p Still don't see much correspondence, I mostly get bindings\materials just for waiting, not kills of my monsters (most of em got like 1 win) but still bring me shizzles every day
Yes, low PL monster also could get a binding or material per day without win or kill.. But the material grade is low or mid and only 1~2 item per day, isn't it? My PL 790+ monster brings 6+ material/binding, and 25~30% of material is high grade. I have N number of such monsters so that I can get N * 6+ material/binding per day. PL 1500+ monsters always bring high-grade material. As you know, high PL monsters cost a lot of crystals. It is something like investment to a factory or facility that produce some goods. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) The more you invest, the more income you get. There's no correct answer how much you should invest. Buy crystal packs to get many high grade materials per day, or keep waiting to get 1~2 low grade material per day. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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