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Jan 10 2014, 12:58
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buktore
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QUOTE(LazyShd @ Jan 10 2014, 17:40)  High level Innate Arcana I think (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Unlikely; even if I have something like catgirl + all hathperk maxed (which I do not), the difference is still way too large. BTW, I would recommend that most new melee player at lv.300+ to go with 1H; 2H nowadays has become very complex style to get it right for most not-too-savvy player— 1H, on the other hand, can be play and build to reach very high efficiency even if you do not know all the details on how it actually work; look at Colman for instance... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by buktore: Jan 10 2014, 20:24
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Jan 10 2014, 13:03
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Colman
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 10 2014, 18:58)  Unlikely; even if I have something like catgirl + all hathperk maxed (which I do not), the difference is still way too large. BTW, I would recommend that most new, lv.300 melee to go with 1H; 2H nowadays had become very complex style to get it right for not-too-savvy veteran— 1H, on the other hand, can be play and build to reach very efficiency even if you do not know all the details on how it actually work; look at Colman for instance... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) no brain style forever (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jan 10 2014, 13:11
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Amaduyu Mitsumi
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jan 10 2014, 16:32)  As a heavy 1H players, I still find no problem with their physical attack.
Probably because you have a higher damage output than me. I did say "if left unattended", and by that I mean sometimes, when both 4 "In memory of Dark Mages" pop up, I can't kill them quick enough to avoid being hit by their skills. Depend on the situation I may have to actually cast Silence on them to conserve my SP. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ---- In Memory of Dark Mages showcase: 22 4 In Memory Of Dark Mages uses Ragnarok, and hits you for 3751 crushing damage 22 3 Your spirit shield absorbs 131 points of damage from the attack into 1 points of spirit damage. 25 2 In Memory Of Dark Mages uses Disintegrate, and hits you for 2044 crushing damage 29 2 In Memory Of Dark Mages crits you for 741 crushing damage. 30 2 In Memory Of Dark Mages hits you for 602 crushing damage. Note that I currently have 18755 HP. Now imagine 4-5 of them. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) This post has been edited by Kagoromo: Jan 10 2014, 13:16
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Jan 10 2014, 13:12
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LazyShd
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 10 2014, 14:58)  BTW, I would recommend that most new, lv.300 melee to go with 1H; 2H nowadays had become very complex style to get it right for not-too-savvy veteran— 1H, on the other hand, can be play and build to reach very efficiency even if you do not know all the details on how it actually work; look at Colman for instance... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I just can not imagine how to survive without mass stun from mace and how to kill fast without 2H splash (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) This post has been edited by LazyShd: Jan 10 2014, 13:14
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Jan 10 2014, 13:18
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Amaduyu Mitsumi
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QUOTE(LazyShd @ Jan 10 2014, 18:12)  I just can not imagine how to survive without mass stun from mace and how to kill fast without 2H splash (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) > mass stun 1H stun on counter-attacks. > splash 1H up to 3 counter attacks every turn + permanent Spirit Stance + Overwhelming Strike's crazy imba 15% bonus damage. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Jan 10 2014, 13:30
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Owyn
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QUOTE > mass stun 1H stun on counter-attacks.
> splash 1H up to 3 counter attacks every turn + permanent Spirit Stance + Overwhelming Strike's crazy imba 15% bonus damage. So only two viable weapon-builds are DW Mace and 1H with Shield? What about other everything? Katana+waki for example?
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Jan 10 2014, 13:30
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LazyShd
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QUOTE(Kagoromo @ Jan 10 2014, 15:18)  > mass stun 1H stun on counter-attacks. > splash 1H up to 3 counter attacks every turn + permanent Spirit Stance + Overwhelming Strike's crazy imba 15% bonus damage. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) But up to 6 enemies splashed with 2H... Time to grind 1H proficiency...
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Jan 10 2014, 13:39
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Oversoul
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 10 2014, 12:30)  So only two viable weapon-builds are DW Mace and 1H with Shield?
What about other everything? Katana+waki for example?
What makes you say that? Estoc on PF late game has the best clear speed, you would need godly forged gears though. Niten is also viable, but you won't be able to brain-afk as much as the other styles. The only style that I highly recommend is DW (club+rapier at your level) for marathons, rest is pretty much optional. However, I do agree that swords are absolutely crap on PF.
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Jan 10 2014, 13:39
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Colman
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 10 2014, 19:30)  So only two viable weapon-builds are DW Mace and 1H with Shield?
What about other everything? Katana+waki for example?
DW cannot use mace (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) QUOTE(LazyShd @ Jan 10 2014, 19:30)  But up to 6 enemies splashed with 2H... Time to grind 1H proficiency...
If you also consider OFC, 1H become very good. My recent PFest runs mostly use OFC to clear rounds. @Oversoul You level really fast This post has been edited by Colman: Jan 10 2014, 13:40
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Jan 10 2014, 14:55
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 10 2014, 21:32)  What do you spent your mana on? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I rarely had to use no more than 1 pot for any non-marathon arenas @PFUDOR even when playing without trying to conserving mana, and I use similar playstyle & equipment to yours... So I'm a bit curious on what made the difference. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) uhm Haste, Shadow Veil, Spirit Shield, Heartseeker, Regen, the usual buffs, plus cure I suppose I don't kill fast enough and I ended up using cure too much (my heal counter script says I use cure 98 times O_o ) Anyway, your equipments are way above mine. I don't forge my equips, and I have no leg piece This post has been edited by holy_demon: Jan 10 2014, 15:05
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Jan 10 2014, 15:18
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Colman
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 10 2014, 20:55)  uhm Haste, Shadow Veil, Spirit Shield, Heartseeker, Regen, the usual buffs, plus cure I suppose I don't kill fast enough and I ended up using cure too much (my heal counter script says I use cure 98 times O_o )
Anyway, your equipments are way above mine. I don't forge my equips, and I have no leg piece
mace + full power?
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Jan 10 2014, 15:26
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jan 11 2014, 00:18)  mace + full power?
yep
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Jan 10 2014, 15:38
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Colman
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 10 2014, 21:26)  yep
Then you should have no problem. You have 10+ mp pots?
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Jan 10 2014, 15:41
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jan 11 2014, 00:38)  Then you should have no problem. You have 10+ mp pots?
9 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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Jan 10 2014, 15:58
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Colman
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 10 2014, 21:41)  9 should be more than enough. I do not need that many when I was your level. Did you unequipped some of the ability accidentally? If the problem still persist, just use feather. You should have a lot in stock anyway. This post has been edited by Colman: Jan 10 2014, 15:58
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Jan 10 2014, 16:57
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Owyn
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DW? I Thought that was TH (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) + What's a good strategy on spawning monsters? Make an army of Giants? Or each of its kind?
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Jan 10 2014, 16:59
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Lement
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Unless you chaos them up to max on many important attributes the type doesn't really get noticed even in cases such as PL 1k Daimon agains dark. PL is pretty much the supreme importance in getting wins.
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Jan 10 2014, 17:41
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Owyn
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But PL doesn't come out of nowhere, monster needs to get low on morale so you could feed him cristals to raise his PL, and before that you have a bunch of monsters waiting to get morale-hungry
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Jan 10 2014, 17:44
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Dan31
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QUOTE(Owyn @ Jan 10 2014, 16:41)  But PL doesn't come out of nowhere, monster needs to get low on morale so you could feed him cristals to raise his PL, and before that you have a bunch of monsters waiting to get morale-hungry
Well, technically, you are not forced to wait for monsters to be low on morale to feed them crystals.
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Jan 10 2014, 17:54
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Owyn
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QUOTE Well, technically, you are not forced to wait for monsters to be low on morale to feed them crystals. won't that be like the biggest waste ever if you don't wait?
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