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Jan 4 2014, 15:31
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Oversoul
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 4 2014, 14:21)  Now I'm confused O_o All I can get from your answer is that the reason people get them are entirely subjective, seeing how different your answers are (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I don't see how those contract each other. Only Katalox staffs have Fenrir suffix, thus they have the highest dark EDB, as for Oak, their holy EDB is just higher by nature. You shouldn't undervalue counter-resist so much is basically what buk is saying. I would take Willow Demonic of Destruction over a dark Katalox any day.
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Jan 4 2014, 15:48
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varst
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 4 2014, 21:21)  Now I'm confused O_o All I can get from your answer is that the reason people get them are entirely subjective, seeing how different your answers are (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) If I have to say, it's also about the availability of staffs. Katalox can be better, but it's so damn rare. It's like if oak/willow gives 1-100 while katalox gives 1-105. Yea katalox's better, but if you're getting 10 times more oak/willow staff, you're bound to have some oak/willow that's better than most of the katalox.
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Jan 4 2014, 16:15
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Jan 5 2014, 00:31)  I don't see how those contract each other. Only Katalox staffs have Fenrir suffix, thus they have the highest dark EDB, as for Oak, their holy EDB is just higher by nature. You shouldn't undervalue counter-resist so much is basically what buk is saying. I would take Willow Demonic of Destruction over a dark Katalox any day.
Well to be fair I've never been one to undervalue counter-parry to begin with, and I draw this invisible analogy between counter-parry and counter-resist. So when people point out how useless counter-parry actually is, I was wondering: "Hey, what about counter-resist?" QUOTE(varst @ Jan 5 2014, 00:48)  If I have to say, it's also about the availability of staffs. Katalox can be better, but it's so damn rare. It's like if oak/willow gives 1-100 while katalox gives 1-105. Yea katalox's better, but if you're getting 10 times more oak/willow staff, you're bound to have some oak/willow that's better than most of the katalox.
I see, thanks for explaining (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jan 4 2014, 16:20
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holy_demon
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On the topic of staffs, why does this mag katalox staff of destruction get such low price? It got bought off for 150k in the recently ended auction despite having Mag-graded MDB and holy EDB O_o
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Jan 4 2014, 16:25
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erwtsnert
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Because you need demonic or hallowed for Katalox to work. Elemental Katalox is not really good unless you, for some weird reason, want to cast elemental spells while casting/cycling Holy/Dark.
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Jan 4 2014, 16:37
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(erwtsnert @ Jan 5 2014, 01:25)  Because you need demonic or hallowed for Katalox to work. Elemental Katalox is not really good unless you, for some weird reason, want to cast elemental spells while casting/cycling Holy/Dark.
So basically any katalox without Hallowed or Demonic prefix is as good as useless? Is that the same with oak and willow (the non-prefix or ethereal variety)? Btw, do hallowed willow and demonic oak even exist ? This post has been edited by holy_demon: Jan 4 2014, 16:38
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Jan 4 2014, 16:42
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varst
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 4 2014, 22:37)  So basically any katalox without Hallowed or Demonic prefix is as good as useless?
Is that the same with oak and willow (the non-prefix or ethereal variety)?
Btw, do hallowed willow and demonic oak even exist ?
Yes, hallowed willow do exist, so does demonic oak. Basically, mages are more picky with staff's prefix: cause most of us utilize on one type of spell, it's natural for us to find the staff that gives the most EDB for that element. That's why hallowed oak of heimdall (with good rolls) may fetch a huge amount of credits.
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Jan 4 2014, 16:46
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 4 2014, 15:37)  Btw, do hallowed willow and demonic oak even exist ?
surely demonic oak, dunno for hallowed willow...
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Jan 4 2014, 16:50
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(varst @ Jan 5 2014, 01:42)  Yes, hallowed willow do exist, so does demonic oak.
Basically, mages are more picky with staff's prefix: cause most of us utilize on one type of spell, it's natural for us to find the staff that gives the most EDB for that element. That's why hallowed oak of heimdall (with good rolls) may fetch a huge amount of credits.
Must be painful to get a leg demonic oak then (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Well, when you guys pass over even mag rolls for non-matching suffix, that's way too picky xD Though I reckon I'm not one to talk, as I don't bother with any non-eth weapon lol. This post has been edited by holy_demon: Jan 4 2014, 16:51
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Jan 4 2014, 17:50
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Cleavs
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Another question: i imbued an item with a certain binding but i was wrong. Is there a way to extract the binding from the equip for future use? Do i need to use the salvaging option rather than reforge?
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Jan 4 2014, 18:35
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Dan31
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 4 2014, 16:50)  Another question: i imbued an item with a certain binding but i was wrong. Is there a way to extract the binding from the equip for future use? Do i need to use the salvaging option rather than reforge?
From the wiki:QUOTE Salvaging an item with upgrades will also return 80% of the materials spent on upgrading, rounded down. The return rate will increase up to 90% with 50 forge level.
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Jan 4 2014, 18:42
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 4 2014, 17:35)  Ok. So the best way is to try and salvage, but if i used only one material for that item it will return me nothing besides what i would have obtained from the 'pure' equip, right?
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Jan 4 2014, 18:56
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LazyShd
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Jan 4 2014, 20:34)  No, salvage material, what you want is either a prefixed staff of destruction or a staff with matching prefix and suffix.
Thanks for the explanation.
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Jan 4 2014, 19:05
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Jan 5 2014, 03:34)  No, salvage material, what you want is either a prefixed staff of destruction or a staff with matching prefix and suffix.
What about, say, hallowed oak staff of destruction ?
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Jan 4 2014, 19:09
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buktore
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 5 2014, 00:05)  What about, say, hallowed oak staff of destruction ?
Oak staff 'of destruction' does not exist.
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Jan 4 2014, 20:13
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e-Stark
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About Staffs... Staffs need to be prefixed; Mages always try to get matching Prefix + Natural Roll + Suffix; Ethereal prefix is shit; Destruction suffix matches anything; Oak don't drop with Destruction suffix; Willow don't drop with Fenrir suffix. In other words... good staffs are:Hallowed Oak of Heimdall Demonic/Shocking/Tempestuous Willow of Destruction Hallowed/Demonic Katalox of Heimdall/Fenrir || Destruction Fiery/Arctic/Shocking/Tempestuous Redwood of Surtr/Niflheim/Mjolnir/Freyr || Destruction Besides that... Focus suffix deserve some consideration too... if you don't have a good Staff with matching prefix/suffix a prefixed staff of Focus can be worth, specially if it's Legendary... Focus suffix gives better rolls on Magic Accuracy, Magic Critical and has natural Mana Conservation a thing who every mage wants... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Jan 4 2014, 22:23
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peincz
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