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post Jan 4 2014, 03:23
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 3 2014, 19:10) *

Heh... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Seeing that I haven't really post anything interesting for quite a while now— Here's my 2 cent about it: Overpower, no matter what level it is, will always suck shit regardless of what type of weapon and what fighting style you use*. And you know why? ... Because it was deliberately and purposefully designed to be shitty, that's why! ... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

There, I said it... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
** Though it's not that terrible with Niten, I suppose, but still kinda shitty IMO...


Well its designed to be crappy because that's roughly how good the other potencies are. Butcher adds around 1% damage (when compared to your total damage), swift strike is around 1.5%-1% depending on your current attack speed. So it is only expected that you get a meh bonus. If the mob has 20% parry, then 1 level of over power adds around 1% damage on average, few things considered*.

*ie. excluding special attacks
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post Jan 4 2014, 03:31
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QUOTE(wolfgirl of autumn92 @ Jan 3 2014, 17:22) *

Well I think this about answers what i was going to ask (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I was going to ask?
Why are there tons of people wanting mace's right now?
I can't even keep them in stock in the my shop.
I restocked my shop full of maces just yesterday and I'm running low again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)


I've got a few I'll donate. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jan 4 2014, 03:39
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Overpower is probably the best potency for Estoc in my book.
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post Jan 4 2014, 03:42
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 4 2014, 06:19) *

i suppose that for 'high-end' you mean sup+ right?

"High-end" may depend on each ppl, but at least mag+ equip I think.
Above all, you should know which stat is the most important on each equipment as buktore said.
The price skyrockets when the important stat is close to the max value the grade can have.
For example, a plate protection which has exmax- PMI (physical mitigation) is not worth spending a million credits even though legendary one at least for me. But it can be worth millions if it has lmax PMI and high PABs.


Here's quick review for you. There can be different view because this is just IMO and 'quick' (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
PAB is generally important for almost equipment so I exclude it.

Weapon (Mainhand for 1H, 2H, DW, and Niten)
- WD (weapon damage), ethereal/elemental
- Holy/Dark is preferred for beating schoolgirls. Wind is preferred for beating normal monsters, especially giants and dragonkins.

Weapon (Offhand for DW and Niten)
- Nimble = Parry, Balance = Accuracy, Slaughter = WD

Staff
- Appropriate elemental prefix + appropriate elemental suffix = EDB, Destruction = MDB
- Katalox = Holy/Dark, Oak = Holy + counter-parry, Willow = Dark + counter-parry, Redwood = Elemental
- Focus = Mana Conservation

Shield
- Block

Cloth
- Phase + appropriate elemental suffix, EDB

Light
- Shade + suffix (take your pick among Shadowdancer/Fleet/Arcanist/Negation), AD, Evade, Crit, etc...

Heavy
- Plate + Protection = PMI
- Power + Slaughter = ADB

+Edit
You can see max values for each equipment. I love wiki. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges

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post Jan 4 2014, 04:32
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Jan 3 2014, 17:31) *

I've got a few I'll donate. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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Well a other thing I will ask why is trying to find Legendary Amber of stoneskin so hard to find?
All I need to make my full set is a Breastplate and a Helmet.
I got some matching DAMN NICE Agile Stoneskin thanks to a vary nice sheep. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Jan 4 2014, 04:48
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QUOTE(wolfgirl of autumn92 @ Jan 4 2014, 08:22) *

I was going to ask?
Why are there tons of people wanting mace's right now?


Because, at lower level, it still work well, and you really don't need anything else...

QUOTE(m118w11 @ Jan 4 2014, 08:23) *

Well its designed to be crappy because that's roughly how good the other potencies are ...


Nah... It's much simpler than that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

There're only 1 reason why Tenb made it to be as shitty as it is: Because if it actually work well, all of us would still use estoc and don't give a shit about anything else.

In other word, it just yet another Tenboro attempt at balancing stuff; and this time it actually work as intended, though in the process he breaks something else too— as always... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

QUOTE(Oversoul @ Jan 4 2014, 08:39) *

Overpower is probably the best potency for Estoc in my book.


It's the best assuming the usual way most people use it.

Regardless, you still can't hit shit... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

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post Jan 4 2014, 04:59
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QUOTE(wolfgirl of autumn92 @ Jan 3 2014, 21:32) *

Well a other thing I will ask why is trying to find Legendary Amber of stoneskin so hard to find?


if i had to guess, anyone that did get one salvaged it on the spot unless it had agile or reinforced prefix. the only guy that i can think of that doesn't salvage meh legendaries is stony, so try asking him.
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post Jan 4 2014, 05:09
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QUOTE(wolfgirl of autumn92 @ Jan 3 2014, 19:32) *

Thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
Karma +
Well a other thing I will ask why is trying to find Legendary Amber of stoneskin so hard to find?
All I need to make my full set is a Breastplate and a Helmet.
I got some matching DAMN NICE Agile Stoneskin thanks to a vary nice sheep. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
[attachembed=34503]


Nice set, if you manage to find the last piece of equip your looking for, try going for a peerless set of the same.
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post Jan 4 2014, 05:31
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 3 2014, 18:48) *

Because, at lower level, it still work well, and you really don't need anything else...

Well then that's why it's the top ask for thing in my shop.
That with 2nd being plate armor why 3rd being power.

My overstock of leather can outfit a mid size HV army.


QUOTE(something @ Jan 3 2014, 18:59) *

if i had to guess, anyone that did get one salvaged it on the spot unless it had agile or reinforced prefix. the only guy that i can think of that doesn't salvage meh legendaries is stony, so try asking him.

I was kind of thinking that, I have had zero luck with finding them in shops or in auctions.
I only got the Agile thanks to a old friend who is a vary nice sheep. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
I can try asking Stony, The Great Spirit knows he has almost everything In HV.

QUOTE(Aerith12 @ Jan 3 2014, 19:09) *

Nice set, if you manage to find the last piece of equip your looking for, try going for a peerless set of the same.

Thanks but I know getting a Peerless is not going to happen. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
Higher level people play hell just to get one and there is vary few peerless weapons and gear around HV.
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post Jan 4 2014, 05:47
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Wow thanks Starrk! I'm really going to need some old timer to explain all these details I missed. My entire inventory of shopworthy goods is from a prehistoric era afterall (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jan 4 2014, 07:13
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Jan 4 2014, 03:42) *

"High-end" may depend on each ppl, but at least mag+ equip I think.
Above all, you should know which stat is the most important on each equipment as buktore said.
The price skyrockets when the important stat is close to the max value the grade can have.
For example, a plate protection which has exmax- PMI (physical mitigation) is not worth spending a million credits even though legendary one at least for me. But it can be worth millions if it has lmax PMI and high PABs.
Here's quick review for you. There can be different view because this is just IMO and 'quick' (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
PAB is generally important for almost equipment so I exclude it.

Weapon (Mainhand for 1H, 2H, DW, and Niten)
- WD (weapon damage), ethereal/elemental
- Holy/Dark is preferred for beating schoolgirls. Wind is preferred for beating normal monsters, especially giants and dragonkins.

Weapon (Offhand for DW and Niten)
- Nimble = Parry, Balance = Accuracy, Slaughter = WD

Staff
- Appropriate elemental prefix + appropriate elemental suffix = EDB, Destruction = MDB
- Katalox = Holy/Dark, Oak = Holy + counter-parry, Willow = Dark + counter-parry, Redwood = Elemental
- Focus = Mana Conservation

Shield
- Block

Cloth
- Phase + appropriate elemental suffix, EDB

Light
- Shade + suffix (take your pick among Shadowdancer/Fleet/Arcanist/Negation), AD, Evade, Crit, etc...

Heavy
- Plate + Protection = PMI
- Power + Slaughter = ADB

+Edit
You can see max values for each equipment. I love wiki. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges


thanks, that'll cleared things up a bit.

i guess, i'll have to start saving. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jan 4 2014, 11:38
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I've been using the one to level the other up... which is clearly better?

Magnificent Ethereal Mace of the Illithid
Superior Ethereal Mace of Balance

I'm tempted by the Superior Mace, 'cause it's better damage... but I like the drain effect on the Magnificent Mace...
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post Jan 4 2014, 12:07
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Go with the mag one until you get a mace of slaughter. 4-ish base damage is worth sacrificing for the higher STR and AGI, on top of the added DEX.
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post Jan 4 2014, 13:02
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QUOTE(m118w11 @ Jan 4 2014, 12:23) *

Well its designed to be crappy because that's roughly how good the other potencies are. Butcher adds around 1% damage (when compared to your total damage), swift strike is around 1.5%-1% depending on your current attack speed. So it is only expected that you get a meh bonus. If the mob has 20% parry, then 1 level of over power adds around 1% damage on average, few things considered*.

*ie. excluding special attacks



Well I wonder why mages still bother with Oak and Willow with Katalox around. Their only redeeming point is the anti-resist, which I assume is not any less shitty than anti-parry with melee. Or am I missing something? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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post Jan 4 2014, 13:07
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 4 2014, 20:02) *

Well I wonder why mages still bother with Oak and Willow with Katalox around. Their only redeeming point is the anti-resist, which I assume is not any less shitty than anti-parry with melee. Or am I missing something? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)


EDB is higher. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jan 4 2014, 13:33
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jan 4 2014, 18:02) *

Or am I missing something? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)


You missed something; you miss a lot of thing, in fact: like the massive difference in how melee and mage / parry and resist work, or the boatload more anti-resist you could get just to name a few. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And your assumption on why some people want those staffs is questionable...
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post Jan 4 2014, 15:03
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Is reselling gear looked down upon? For instance, if I buy a weapon today and get a better one three months from now, will it be a breach of etiquette to sell it?

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post Jan 4 2014, 15:04
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Nope, it's your piece of equipment, do with it whatever you want (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jan 4 2014, 15:12
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Good to know, thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 4 2014, 15:21
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jan 4 2014, 22:33) *

You missed something; you miss a lot of thing, in fact: like the massive difference in how melee and mage / parry and resist work, or the boatload more anti-resist you could get just to name a few. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And your assumption on why some people want those staffs is questionable...


QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Jan 4 2014, 22:07) *

EDB is higher. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Now I'm confused O_o

All I can get from your answer is that the reason people get them are entirely subjective, seeing how different your answers are (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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