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post Dec 31 2013, 06:25
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QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 31 2013, 05:02) *

My set is just a common Leg leather of protection.
It is level dependent because:
1. When your level getting higher, you do not care much above normal attack, while magic attack hurt a lot. So, resist is sometimes more useful than PMI.
2. Evade from primary state, that grow with level, will be eliminated by burden from heavy armor.
3. Light's "Light Speed" is as good as heavy's specific mitigation but require Lv250.

BTW, here is my leather setup
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1./2. Ahh I understand what you mean.
3. Thats one of the reasons I'm trying to switch to light. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

And as I thought, your leather set is much better than my one. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Dec 31 2013, 12:16
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I have just got OFC recently. When I use it with 1/H in hellfest, I found it lower my speed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif). Although it is very powerful, it high OC consumsion will likely make my spirit stance wear off. And charge back the OC take time and I would eat more magic attack during those time.
I would like to know is there any trick to use OFC efficiently, rather than make it only a backup solution when sp run out.
Thank in advance.
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post Dec 31 2013, 13:41
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Personally, i use my OFC when there are >6 enemies, especially if they're the more powerful monsters like the giants or In Memory Of. Less time fighting them one at a time means less damage i'll take.
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post Dec 31 2013, 15:23
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Greetings to the veterans! I want to inquire, at what level t becomes reasonable to level up your equipment in Item world?
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post Dec 31 2013, 15:30
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QUOTE(Paarfi @ Dec 31 2013, 21:23) *

Greetings to the veterans! I want to inquire, at what level t becomes reasonable to level up your equipment in Item world?

I would say 250.
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post Dec 31 2013, 17:31
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Wow, its etothex! Stop calling me out on the estoc I'm using (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Its good to see all the old heavy-estoc users around again though. Hi ShatteredWings and mustardpie and Colman too!

Maybe I shouldn't be giving out advice since I'm still figuring out what combination of gears/stats to use. Currently I'm still planning ahead to try to make PFUDOR DwD/Schoolgirls a reality.

After reading what Colman has typed, I traded in some of my ED for the VV Hath Perk. So far, it makes IWBTH rather painless to play. Highly recommend it once you have a set of gear you intend to forge/IW later.

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post Dec 31 2013, 17:33
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@Zekana Please get some INT if only for the spirit bonus. Its rather awkward to see base 0 int to me today (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Dec 31 2013, 17:55
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QUOTE(needaname @ Dec 31 2013, 23:31) *

Wow, its etothex! Stop calling me out on the estoc I'm using (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Its good to see all the old heavy-estoc users around again though. Hi ShatteredWings and mustardpie and Colman too!

Maybe I shouldn't be giving out advice since I'm still figuring out what combination of gears/stats to use. Currently I'm still planning ahead to try to make PFUDOR DwD/Schoolgirls a reality.

After reading what Colman has typed, I traded in some of my ED for the VV Hath Perk. So far, it makes IWBTH rather painless to play. Highly recommend it once you have a set of gear you intend to forge/IW later.

I'm 1 hander now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . Right hand on the mouse and left hand ..... you know (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Also, with your fully forged Leg estoc, you do not need more damage. You may find leather of protection good as you do not need to heal often.

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post Dec 31 2013, 18:20
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Maybe I should collect a strong Leg Leather of Prot set then...
How much does a set cost? 1m for a set?
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post Dec 31 2013, 18:30
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QUOTE(needaname @ Dec 31 2013, 17:20) *

Maybe I should collect a strong Leg Leather of Prot set then...
How much does a set cost? 1m for a set?


Half that amount, wouldn't recommend it if you're not having survivability issues though
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post Dec 31 2013, 18:32
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QUOTE(needaname @ Dec 31 2013, 20:20) *

How much does a set cost? 1m for a set?


I also wondering.
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post Dec 31 2013, 18:33
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QUOTE(needaname @ Jan 1 2014, 00:20) *

Maybe I should collect a strong Leg Leather of Prot set then...
How much does a set cost? 1m for a set?

For random Leg leather of protection, it is hardly higher than 100k each.
For "Reinforced" or "Agile", it can be much higher. FYI, my leather armor cost me 700k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

P.S. If you are in hurry, some shops are selling Leg leather of protection for ~250k each.

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post Dec 31 2013, 19:34
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Leg Leather has always been way cheaper than any other option out there. (except cotton maybe)

I'd say around 800k will get you a very good near max PMI set of Protection Leather.
Full leg plate can cost up to a few millions without prefixes, if you happen to shoot for Shielding pieces this goes way up.
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post Dec 31 2013, 20:03
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QUOTE(needaname @ Dec 31 2013, 07:31) *

Wow, its etothex! Stop calling me out on the estoc I'm using (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Its good to see all the old heavy-estoc users around again though. Hi ShatteredWings and mustardpie and Colman too!

Maybe I shouldn't be giving out advice since I'm still figuring out what combination of gears/stats to use. Currently I'm still planning ahead to try to make PFUDOR DwD/Schoolgirls a reality.

After reading what Colman has typed, I traded in some of my ED for the VV Hath Perk. So far, it makes IWBTH rather painless to play. Highly recommend it once you have a set of gear you intend to forge/IW later.

welcome back. Yeah I think VV really helps. Sometimes after hearing/reading what people have to say and trying stuff out, I have to wonder if we are even playing the same game. Like yesterday, for the heck of it, i tried IW in shade+estoc. Tried nintendo first to test the waters. God that was painful. Couldn't even go 1 turn w/o being put into red past round 60 or so. But then the level difference + VV pretty much makes the difference in HP the obvious denominator. I'm still debating what to prioritize. I'm sitting on a lump of credits. Use it on gear, save a bit more for crys2 or get VV. *sigh* if only i had 10million c to negate any such need for decision.
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post Dec 31 2013, 20:55
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QUOTE(etothex @ Dec 31 2013, 13:03) *

Sometimes after hearing/reading what people have to say and trying stuff out, I have to wonder if we are even playing the same game. Like yesterday, for the heck of it, i tried IW in shade+estoc. Tried nintendo first to test the waters. God that was painful. Couldn't even go 1 turn w/o being put into red past round 60 or so.

Agreed.

QUOTE(etothex @ Dec 31 2013, 13:03) *

I'm still debating what to prioritize. I'm sitting on a lump of credits. Use it on gear, save a bit more for crys2 or get VV. *sigh* if only i had 10million c to negate any such need for decision.

Also agreed. Except that I have no credits lump...more like a tiny Hath mound.

At least the game won't be boring anytime soon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Happy new year to all.
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post Dec 31 2013, 21:39
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QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 31 2013, 19:16) *

I have just got OFC recently. When I use it with 1/H in hellfest, I found it lower my speed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif). Although it is very powerful, it high OC consumsion will likely make my spirit stance wear off. And charge back the OC take time and I would eat more magic attack during those time.
I would like to know is there any trick to use OFC efficiently, rather than make it only a backup solution when sp run out.
Thank in advance.

OFC makes me clear +5~10% faster when doing Hellfest, and +10~20% when doing IW (on IWBTH or PFUDOR). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

On Hellfest, yes, it's not significantly efficient because HP of hell monsters is not that high.
My tactics is just simple:
1. Attack enemies with infinite spirit stance
2. round 100 (for example): Turn off the spirit stance and gather overcharge. Usually you can sufficiently gather 200 overcharge when there are 4~5 enemies.
3. Use OFC on round 101
4. Attack 2~3 times to gather 50 overcharge on round 102. Now infinite spirit stance time again!
5. Turn off the spirit stance and gather overcharge on round 104 when there are 4~5 enemies.
6. Use OFC on round 105
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You can use OFC every 4 rounds. The only loss is done at step 2 and 4 that turning off SS.
Roughly clear time:
round 98: 7 sec
round 99: 7 sec
round 100: 9 sec
round 101: 2 sec
round 102: 7 sec
round 103: 7 sec
round 104: 9 sec
round 105: 2 sec
(The exact time and the number of monsters that you start to turn off SS depend on ping and AD.)

OFC will not help you very much if you can clear a round of hellfest on ~6 sec on average. Becuase turning on/off spirit stance takes a short time and it would bother you, and using OFC also take a short time.
Alternative way is that not turn off SS, and use OFC when overcharge is naturally full. It takes 10~15 rounds on average, but has no loss in this way after all.

On the other hand, I found OFC is really helpful on IW and some arenas.
You can use OFC every 3 rounds when doing IW like this:
round 50: 15~20 sec
round 51: 20~25 sec
round 52: 3 sec
round 53: 15~20 sec
round 54: 20~25 sec
round 55: 3 sec

I hope this make some help to you, and Happy New Year~ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Dec 31 2013, 22:08
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Will ofc one-shot the round on hentai/pfudor if you pa everyone first?
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post Dec 31 2013, 22:49
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Will ofc one-shot the round on hentai/pfudor if you pa everyone first?

My AD is about 6700, and OFC can one-shot most normal monsters with Spirit Stance on IWBTH/PFUDOR.
Kodou Yuki and some monsters, especially high PL giants survive with 20~30% HP.
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post Dec 31 2013, 23:08
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what should I do with those? are those usefull like ponies and I should keep em? or should I just sacrifice em?
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post Dec 31 2013, 23:22
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Does anybody know how many crystal packs it would take to get a monster to PL 400 and PL 499 from scratch?
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