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New longsword is just a souped up old scythe though, so you shouldn't run high difficulty arena with it.

New longsword is just a souped up old scythe though, so you shouldn't run high difficulty arena with it.

Well, I'm quite sure a Leg longsword is better than an Exq Estoc, while Leg longsword is cheaper than Mag Estoc.
Not everyone can afford 10M+ for a single weapon.

2H is too risky in the current patch PF, especially when you do not have VV.
BTW, the new longsword is pretty good due to it higher damage. The only problem is that you need to imperil every single SG in the 225+ arena. So you better use light rather than heavy if you want to try longsword SG hunt.

FYI, 1H heavy is much faster than 1H light.

I'm sad I can't find a really fun way to use 2H. Yeah, I always use power with 1H, and it compares favorably with everything else I have for speed of completion in highest difficulty stuff. I always used light until I came to appreciate 1H...the evade just reduced the awesomeness of block, so then I bought my first power set and here I am.

I never attempt any schoolgirls with anything besides my club+rapier+shade set. If you do them with a longsword, or any 2H weapon, I salute you, that's tough.

New longsword is just a souped up old scythe though, so you shouldn't run high difficulty arena with it.

I still use scythe for low difficulty anything, haven't dropped any useful longsword yet....that I know of at least. Time to double-check.

Well, I'm quite sure a Leg longsword is better than an Exq Estoc, while Leg longsword is cheaper than Mag Estoc.
Not everyone can afford 10M+ for a single weapon.

Hmmm. I never thought that the new longswords compared that way to estocs....damage must be very high for bleed to be so effective. I will re-double-check my inventory...

This post has been edited by eramosat: Dec 30 2013, 19:56

I'm sad I can't find a really fun way to use 2H. Yeah, I always use power with 1H, and it compares favorably with everything else I have for speed of completion in highest difficulty stuff. I always used light until I came to appreciate 1H...the evade just reduced the awesomeness of block, so then I bought my first power set and here I am.

I never attempt any schoolgirls with anything besides my club+rapier+shade set. If you do them with a longsword, or any 2H weapon, I salute you, that's tough.
I still use scythe for low difficulty anything, haven't dropped any useful longsword yet....that I know of at least. Time to double-check.

Hell DwD with longsword is not that long. I need to train my Deprecating proficiency anyway.
PF DwD is a hell (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) . Always fall asleep somewhere and flee.

btw, it's nice to see needaname active again, and offering advice. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Should always do DwD on PF with 80+ sta, the juicy exp is just too good to pass up. :3

Playing Estoc with Shade becomes viable on PF if you have forged Legs. Mace is doable even without forged gears, but slow.

Generally, you don't want to use Longsword on low difficulty because it's not very efficient both exp-wise and drop-wise. Only if you are to clear for token bonuses.

This post has been edited by Oversoul: Dec 30 2013, 20:22

Is there any benefit from having Holy/Dark strike on melee weapon outside from schoolgirls marathon?
Is it because sound cooler or because many random mobs has weakness against holy/dark?

For DW i think having those 2 elementals strike will be useful but what about 2H, isn't it more useful with other elementals that have benefit from spike shield?

My mace just got lv.5 Overpower. While I do like the counter-parry, but that's kinda too much. Should I reforge or should I keep IW it up?

Also, is it possible to get lv6 on a potency?

Any ideas what this might be worth? It's been sitting in my inventory for a while...

Magnificent Phase Robe of Mjolnir

Any ideas what this might be worth? It's been sitting in my inventory for a while...

Magnificent Phase Robe of Mjolnir

The EDB is in the below superior range, so 'not much'.

You might be able to get 100k off some sucker just because its a Magnificient, though.

My mace just got lv.5 Overpower. While I do like the counter-parry, but that's kinda too much. Should I reforge or should I keep IW it up?

Also, is it possible to get lv6 on a potency?

Not possible to get lvl 6.

I know counter parry is great for an estoc, but not so sure about mace. My question is; Can mobs still parry while stunned?

Is there any value in salvaging Shade armor? As in, could I get Shade Fragments from the salvage if the armor itself is unenhanced?

Or are those fragments only available through the Monster Lab?

Get good light armor, a crappy 2h weapon (not a Mace, you don't want stunned monsters!) and use silence & weaken a lot. Don't use Haste or Shadow Veil. Do the early Arenas on Normal difficulty with that... but don't forget to do your other runs in your normal gear to keep your XP up.

Also, don't forget your proficiencies!

Shadow veil doesn't affect gains in armor proficiency, as your chances of gaining proficiency are the same whether you evade an attack or not.

Not possible to get lvl 6.

I know counter parry is great for an estoc, but not so sure about mace. My question is; Can mobs still parry while stunned?

It's practically useless for a mace, because mobs can't parry or evade while stunned (as of .77).

This post has been edited by habbababba31: Dec 30 2013, 23:15

Is there any benefit from having Holy/Dark strike on melee weapon outside from schoolgirls marathon?
Is it because sound cooler or because many random mobs has weakness against holy/dark?

For DW i think having those 2 elementals strike will be useful but what about 2H, isn't it more useful with other elementals that have benefit from spike shield?

Dark and holy resistances are relatively rare in random mobs, so they do get slightly better damage output than other elements. Hallowed weapons also get Holy EDB which benefits the cure spell, so you can restore more health each time you cast.

You cannot explode spike shield procs with elemental strikes, and 2h weapons only proc elemental strike on the main target anyway. Dark and Holy strikes are better. Besides that, ethereal is pretty much always better on 2h-weapons due to their extremely high burden and interference.

Not possible to get lvl 6.

I know counter parry is great for an estoc, but not so sure about mace. My question is; Can mobs still parry while stunned?

No.

@ holy_demon I think reforging is better.

@holy_demon definitely reforge that mace. If you are getting parried, you move to another target. 5 overpowers is just a cruel joke for mace.

So I am not crazy. I think both are also referencing use of very good estocs too. erwtsnert asks for min 5000 damage with I guess a leather set (little to no evade), don't know how that can be achieved without a fantastic mace. And I know my Shade defensive stats are superior to what needaname proposes...so if IWBTH is beyond me, then once again the estoc is deficient.

Yes...I already use light 1H all the time, or DW club/rapier...I have pretty much given up on finding any 2H methods for clearing anything quickly at IWBTH levels, light or heavy, nothing really works without a lot of health babysitting, or a significant weapon investment.

the thing is needaname is using Uno's maxed estoc. Can't really compare to that *jealous*. I have 62.8pmi 45.5 evade, 31.7 parry 5100 dmg estoc with shade set (only 1 mag) and iwbth is fine, but not turn-off-brain friendly. Have to pay attention too much though compared to just getting 74%pmi + some evade/block for heavy. about 500 less damage too. Potion usage is of course a lot less w/ light, but outside grindfest i don't see where i'd actually run out, now that IWs are so short.

@erasomat

I was mainly referring to power users, with light I guess you can drop some PMI because you have evade. Base damage can be dropped a little too because light is mainly defensive.
65% PMI + 45% evade equals around 80% PMI, so that's alright.

I do mainly IWBTH/PFUDOR with 65% PMI/MMI, 6700 damage, ~6% evade, 50% parry and 15% resist.

Niten's defense is a lot better than estoc though. Going from 30% parry to 50% is huge. I've been iwing w/ niten over estoc cuz it's safer w/ less pmi.

For Pfudor, heavy estoc, just under 5k damage (had to wear more plate) 76% pmi /7.6 block (+shards generally) was WAAAAAAAAYYYYY better than doing it w/ the above light/estoc stats.

Firstly, I'd like to thank everyone for their advice. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It would be surprising if an estoc worked well with your light set in difficult fights...if you use heavy and estoc, and you already don't enjoy it...then going light will probably be a lot less enjoyable.

It's not that I don't enjoy heavy + estoc, I just thought that light would be quicker/better due to its ability tree. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Leather of protection + Estoc is not a bad choice IMO.
The protective power of leather of protection is higher than plate of protection at my level. (It is level dependent).

I'm guessing your gear is forged to the finest? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Also, what do you mean when you say it's level dependent?

mustardpie has an awesome legendary estoc, so I'm sure it'll work out.

Sssh (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

I started with 89 prof and maxed it within 4-5 days of full arenas. Unforged armor, defensive stats are 61.9% PMI, 56.5% MMI 42.8% evade 27.9% parry 64% resist. IWBTH is reasonable but I do have to pay attention on PFUDOR, with my connection speed its not too feasible.

Let me know how your numbers compare mustardpie!

I don't have a shade set just yet, but with my leather set I have 67.3% PMI, 56.8% MMI, 19.1% evade, 19.7% parry, 43.8% resist.

Now that I look at my stats again.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I'll get back to you when I have a proper shade set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

It's not that I don't enjoy heavy + estoc, I just thought that light would be quicker/better due to its ability tree. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
I'm guessing your gear is forged to the finest? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

My set is just a common Leg leather of protection.
It is level dependent because:
1. When your level getting higher, you do not care much above normal attack, while magic attack hurt a lot. So, resist is sometimes more useful than PMI.
2. Evade from primary state, that grow with level, will be eliminated by burden from heavy armor.
3. Light's "Light Speed" is as good as heavy's specific mitigation but require Lv250.

BTW, here is my leather setup
Estoc
head
body
hand
leg
feet

1st, im currently item world-ing an item and im wondering if the difficulty you play on has any baring to the skills you learn or does higher difficulty just give the item more exp?

2nd, if i sell this, what's the ballpark amount someone might be willing to pay for it? just curious.
Magnificent Demonic Longsword of Balance


3rd, I've always been unclear on how much wisdom you should have for a mostly melee fighter (im going duel-wield shade evasion and as far as normal physical attacks, im fine, but i typically take a lot of damage from magic based attacks) what should my Wisdom be at? is there a formula to go by, like it should always be twice your level or 1.5 your level? something like that? (sorry for size of image)
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This post has been edited by zekana: Dec 31 2013, 05:28

なるほど, thanks. I guess I'll wait until I've gotten some better Shade equips, I have a good Exquisite/Magnificent set but it's all Negation.

Negation is pretty good for 1H though imo, it grants you another layer of protection that you otherwise lack entirely with heavy while still giving you decent attack power, unlike leather of protection. In my heavy set, Spirit Shield only proc when I'm hit by magical based SP spells of elemental/celes/sprite mobs.