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I had always wanted to ask who has madly forged weapon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Do you remember the weapon's base stat without butcher?
How much percentage upgraded when 100 times forged... about x2 damage with 100 slaughters?

I'm trying niten on Hellfest for fun, but it is too unstable in comparison with 1H.
That's pretty tough, even more than I expected. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Proof, or fucking bullshit.

Forge Tweaks

- Forging upgrade effects have been changed to a logarithmic formula, which means it now has diminishing returns.
-- Essentially, early upgrades are worth more than later ones. The non-upgraded forge max is about the same, but the upgraded forge max was reduced.
-- For example, instead of the old plain 1% increase per level, the first damage upgrade (0 -> 1) would increase it by about 2.6% while the last upgrade (99 -> 100) would increase it by about 0.25%.

- The limit for non-ADB/MDB forge upgrades was increased from 20/40 to 25/50.

- Fixed an issue with equipment data caching where forge EXP/potencies added to currently equipped gear would not take effect/be visible immediately.

You can also refer to skillchip's thread for some raw numbers.

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=128890

just got a small nuke artifact

What should i do
offer or sell it?

It's some artifact that no longer drops. You can choose to keep that.

no longer drops

just got a small nuke artifact

What!? If it no longer drops, how the hell did he "just got it"?

This is kind of oxymoron.

Proof, or fucking bullshit.

do you know that fa exq estoc fully forged should be surpass 3100+ before TenB nerf them around 2600+ now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


you can ask who have max forging weapon like stony who lost around 700 damage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Varst, i dispute this urban myth you guys seem to have that 100 slaughters is not 100% extra base damage.

Logarithmic formula or not doesn't matter to the end result.

do you know that fa exq estoc fully forged should be surpass 3100+ before TenB nerf them around 2600+ now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
you can ask who have max forging weapon like stony who lost around 700 damage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Doesn't matter if Stonycat loses 9000 damage, as long as i can't find this documented by several people with numbers in the official wiki it's simply speculation.

You can't trust what's written on the forum.


Besides, such a significant ghost patch should at least be hinted at in the wiki.
Until someone with 100 slaughters can document every forge level, whatever anyone else says is just talking out of his ass.

This post has been edited by Pillowgirl: Dec 20 2013, 06:39

I can see why you're not so optimistic on switching over to Shade since you'll be taking the evd penalty from your weps anyway. With decent Shade and Eth weps, it will be a walk in the park. :3
Question for 2H experts, how do you prefer to clear large rounds, start up in the top or middle? Is there a difference in speed?

I've been told the quickest way is to hit every other monster (i.e. 2/4/6/8) until those are dead and mopping up the remains.

Varst, i dispute this urban myth you guys seem to have that 100 slaughters is not 100% extra base damage.

Logarithmic formula or not doesn't matter to the end result.

You can always apply 100 slaughters to your weapon and see how it ends up, if you don't believe in me, Skillchip or any other players who've already done that. Or you can PM/IRC Tenboro to ask him what it means by 'the upgraded forge max was reduced'. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
tl:dr Give evidence to support your claim.

What!? If it no longer drops, how the hell did he "just got it"?

This is kind of oxymoron.

He said he got it. He could have bought that from the bazaar. Or other ways.

Artifacts

- Normal artifact drops have been replaced with a generic "Precursor Artifact" item to make them easier to trade. The thirteen or so remaining normal artifacts are therefore now retired.

This post has been edited by varst: Dec 20 2013, 06:38

why I keep getting superior lately (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

after exqfest , now superiorfest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Varst, i dispute this urban myth you guys seem to have that 100 slaughters is not 100% extra base damage.

Logarithmic formula or not doesn't matter to the end result.
Doesn't matter if Stonycat loses 9000 damage, as long as i can't find this documented by several people with numbers in the official wiki it's simply speculation.

You can't trust what's written on the forum.
Besides, such a significant ghost patch should at least be hinted at in the wiki.
Until someone with 100 slaughters can document every forge level, whatever anyone else says is just talking out of his ass.

you know , I lost around 250 damage in my previous 70+ slaughter upgrade axe when TenB said he tweak forging (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

well , if you don't have anything get high upgrade at that time , so you don't suffering it like us (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)



I'm so poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Dec 20 2013, 06:51

Doesn't matter if Stonycat loses 9000 damage, as long as i can't find this documented by several people with numbers in the official wiki it's simply speculation.

You can't trust what's written on the forum.
Besides, such a significant ghost patch should at least be hinted at in the wiki.
Until someone with 100 slaughters can document every forge level, whatever anyone else says is just talking out of his ass.

Wiki's also written by the same freaking guys (i.e. me and Joe) upon reading, testing and verifying all the claims from players. The reason why there's no formula is because we can't freaking find one based on the data we've seen.

As I said, I've already lead you to the thread where there's data documented and people discussing about it. If you want to counter that, give evidence or what you said is also BS.

This post has been edited by varst: Dec 20 2013, 06:48

Wiki's also written by the same freaking guys (i.e. me and Joe) upon reading, testing and verifying all the claims from players. The reason why there's no formula is because we can't freaking find one based on the data we've seen.

As I said, I've already lead you to the thread where there's data documented and people discussing about it. If you want to counter that, give evidence or what you said is also BS.

yeah , I still remember that andywong and uno give some data in chip thread about this when TenB announce it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I recorded the base stat's increment while I'm forging my own shields' block and plates' PMI 20~30 times.
(My records said that +1.9% at first, and +0.95% at tenth for them)
But a slaughter seems to give +2.6~2.7% to weapon at first, so I just wanted to know if 100 slaughters give approximately x2 WD to weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I can't figure out it by only looking at forged weapons because I don't know their base stat...

But, oh my goodness...

100/100 forging gives ~1.675x compared to 2x before

This post has been edited by Cats Lover: Dec 20 2013, 07:10

I recorded the base stat's increment while I'm forging my own shields' block and plates' PMI 20~30 times.
(My records said that +1.9% at first, and +0.95% at tenth for them)
But a slaughter seems to give +2.6~2.7% to weapon at first, so I wanted to know if 100 times of slaughters gives approximately x2 to weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I can't figure out it by only looking at forged weapons because I don't know their base stat...

But, oh my goodness...

no , you will not get old 2x WD now , cat (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

believe me , when this forging tweak patch release , alot of bitching in HV thread including me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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no , you will not get old 2x WD now , cat (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

believe me , when this forging tweak patch release , alot of bitching in HV thread including me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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Yes, I think your estoc's base WD was at least mmax~mmax-0.7, that is approximately 71 for estoc.
(unless the estoc's mmax for WD stat is not modified)
Then 5 Butcher (about +7.1) + 96 times forged (about +46) would bring 124, which is your estoc's current base stat, right?

I expected it up to 2x damage, but the romance was already broken by the old day's patch. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Cats Lover: Dec 20 2013, 07:33

Yes, I think your estoc's base WD was at least mmax~mmax-0.7, that is approximately 71 for estoc.
(unless the estoc's mmax for WD stat is not modified)
Then 5 Butcher (about +7.1) + 96 times forged (about +46) would bring 124, which is your estoc's current base stat, right?

I expected it up to 2x damage, but the romance was already broken by the old day's patch. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

you know , sometime I miss my old axe (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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but I'm poor now , so I don't think I can get my old DW set again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Dec 20 2013, 07:44

you know , sometime I miss my old axe (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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but I'm poor now , so I don't think I can get my old DW set again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I still have your other old axe, if you are interested in DW'ing again..... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by treesloth16: Dec 20 2013, 08:02

I've been told the quickest way is to hit every other monster (i.e. 2/4/6/8) until those are dead and mopping up the remains.

That's actually quite smart, I can see why it's the quickest way

I still have your other old axe, if you are interested in DW'ing again..... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

nah , lack of 30M+ fund to doing DW again now , sloth (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

btw , did you PM ace , I think he will sold that mace since he never use it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

btw , did you PM ace , I think he will sold that mace since he never use it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

no, its not that much better than my exq eth mace..... maybe just wait for a drop. but i can tell you i never drop good weapons, only armors. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) maybe I should gamble on noodles.

I see T.T ... dream destroyed

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no, its not that much better than my exq eth mace..... maybe just wait for a drop. but i can tell you i never drop good weapons, only armors. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) maybe I should gamble on noodles.

buy ozyyyyk leg eth mace then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


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buy ozyyyyk leg eth mace then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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ok I will, just need to find someone to donate to me 40m credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)