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post Dec 19 2013, 18:50
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QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 20 2013, 01:18) *

Change to 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . You no longer need to worry about parry.


True, but I don't have good enough rapier to play. Can you use ethereal axe with 1H?

edit:nm just tried ethereal axe with 1h and it's not better than ethereal rapier.

Also, Someone HELP ME find a Mag+ Ethereal Mace of Slaughter!!! Please!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Thx to Nobody who found me some, but I don't think they are selling.

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post Dec 19 2013, 18:52
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QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 19 2013, 06:11) *

My heavy set cannot do that. I think the main problem is the insufficient damage output.
On the other hand, leather have high resist make my sp last longer thus I can bring more mp pot.

Also, my ethereal axe is too bad so I normally use the dark axe.


I can see why you're not so optimistic on switching over to Shade since you'll be taking the evd penalty from your weps anyway. With decent Shade and Eth weps, it will be a walk in the park. :3





Question for 2H experts, how do you prefer to clear large rounds, start up in the top or middle? Is there a difference in speed?
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post Dec 19 2013, 19:07
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Dec 20 2013, 00:50) *

True, but I don't have good enough rapier to play. Can you use ethereal axe with 1H?

edit:nm just tried ethereal axe with 1h and it's not better than ethereal rapier.

Also, Someone HELP ME find a Mag+ Ethereal Mace of Slaughter!!! Please!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Thx to Nobody who found me some, but I don't think they are selling.

try PM number 4 , I don't think he will use that since he is wind mages (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Just try PM them , some of them don't even use it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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Hit 4,5,6 for me depend on my mood (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Dec 19 2013, 19:28
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QUOTE(lKnives @ Dec 19 2013, 11:26) *

Hello I am a 1h player and I was wondering what is the best weapon for a 1 hander like me and the best suffix for the weapon THANKS!


Good Lord ... 1 week and already at 155... son, I doubt you be needing advice! (At least, not in another week or two)

I really like stun, since it now stops parry as well. Thus I would say Club.

On another note ( https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...d=2953968&# ) with regards to my previous post, this bring the list of Top50 mobs that I have not met down to Nyaruko The Crawling Chaos and Fgr34144.

Would be accurate to theorize that with the removal of mobs that have not been fed a few weeks ago, the pool of mobs is so small now that in order to comply with the "no same mob more than once in 10 turns" rule, the system is now picking out the highest PL ones when appropriate PL mobs are not available?

Because to be fair, while it is VERY noticeable when you get 3-5 of these high PL mobs in a batch of 10 since it takes ages to kill them even with spirit mode on, you can also run into a batch that you wipe out in 3-4 hits. These appear to be very low PL mobs.

@Oversoul - you're way higher than me... but to my credit I do have 2H at 215 which is only 12 below my level. My pattern is to start at the middle, hit the 4th and 7th so that there is the possibility to stun all mobs in 2 hits (happens more often than you think). Naturally modify this by the number of mobs you face, 4th and 7th is assuming you meet 10. If it's just 5 then the 3rd is the optimum choice.

Caveat: You'll quickly learn who the good parry/evaders are... if they are in 4th and 7th, target the mobs next to them in the hopes of catching them in a stun then beat them down. Because of this, it is often a good idea to strike already stunned targets rather then unstunned as this guarantees you will hit and thus have a chance to proc domino.
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post Dec 19 2013, 19:31
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Dec 19 2013, 19:50) *

True, but I don't have good enough rapier to play. Can you use ethereal axe with 1H?

edit:nm just tried ethereal axe with 1h and it's not better than ethereal rapier.

Also, Someone HELP ME find a Mag+ Ethereal Mace of Slaughter!!! Please!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Thx to Nobody who found me some, but I don't think they are selling.


your edit picked my interest ..why would you play 1H ? i never tried it ^^ i mean doesnt matter if a 1,2k+ dmg axe or a silly rapier like mine ..an Forceshild with 43% block but extreme high burden +inteference or an old one 34+ ..would be someone so nice to explain ?
Better said can you tell me how many hits you can do per sec. plz ?

just want to know .. jep !


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post Dec 19 2013, 19:31
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Dec 20 2013, 00:50) *

True, but I don't have good enough rapier to play. Can you use ethereal axe with 1H?

edit:nm just tried ethereal axe with 1h and it's not better than ethereal rapier.

Also, Someone HELP ME find a Mag+ Ethereal Mace of Slaughter!!! Please!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Thx to Nobody who found me some, but I don't think they are selling.

Do you have very low 1H proficiency? Axe and rapier give similar killing speed for me.Rapier will kill the main target faster while Axe will hit harder with counter attack.
Two draw back of 1h axe are:
- you need to use imperil on SG.
- the bleeding effect from axe will overwrite the strong bleeding from T2 skill.

@mutsdhr
With the axe 2 and shield 1 in my sign + 3 ex power slaughter + 1 ex power balance + 1 leg plate protection. With 2T/s, PF T&T take 28 minutes. Hellfest take around 3 hours.
Edit: no feather and shard.

Edit 2:
The way of fast 1H playing is heavily relied on counter. It is because counter can increase your OC and make your spirit stance permanence. Also, counter attacks can also be your main source of damage.
So, just get a shield with the highest block chance. If you are going to use heavy armor. You do not need to worry about burden too much as long as it is blow 75 (mine is around 80 but I rarely use feather). Interference should not be a problem since you do not need to heal most of the time. They are all stunned by counter attacks anyway.

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post Dec 19 2013, 19:51
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QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 20 2013, 01:31) *

Do you have very low 1H proficiency? Axe and rapier give similar killing speed for me.Rapier will kill the main target faster while Axe will hit harder with counter attack.
Two draw back of 1h axe are:
- you need to use imperil on SG.
- the bleeding effect from axe will overwrite the strong bleeding from T2 skill.

@mutsdhr
With the axe 2 and shield 1 in my sign + 3 ex power slaughter + 1 ex power balance + 1 leg plate protection. With 2T/s, PF T&T take 28 minutes. Hellfest take around 3 hours.
Edit: no feather and shard.

I need around 17min to finish PFU T&T now with ubuntu , colman (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

But I really lack of motivation to play now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Dec 19 2013, 19:54
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Dec 19 2013, 06:15) *

16 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
15 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
14 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
13 1 Memphis Linesword evades your attack.
12 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
11 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
10 1 Memphis Linesword evades your attack.
9 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
How do you melee in pfudor? I have 12% counterparry. All this parry is just so mindnumbingly frustrating. Even resists in maging isn't so bad.


Cast Sleep.
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post Dec 19 2013, 19:55
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Which RoB is better to do with 10 Tokens of Blood: 2 FSM or 1 TT&T?
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post Dec 19 2013, 20:03
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Dec 20 2013, 01:55) *

Which RoB is better to do with 10 Tokens of Blood: 2 FSM or 1 TT&T?

I suggest you wait until getting 20+ LotD. With 23 LotD, my rate of getting useful gear from PF TTT is less than 10%. Also, my shrine results yesterday showed the trophies do not really give anything useful, even with 100s of them.
FSM.......if you are happy with Ex grade.


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post Dec 19 2013, 20:06
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ Dec 19 2013, 20:55) *

Which RoB is better to do with 10 Tokens of Blood: 2 FSM or 1 TT&T?


do yourself a favor ! ONLY FSM ! Keep, use or sell em (Noodly) ! TT&T wont give ya shit ^^ had only "xx" try´s ! So maybe im overreacting ^^

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post Dec 19 2013, 21:20
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QUOTE(mutsdhr @ Dec 20 2013, 02:31) *

your edit picked my interest ..why would you play 1H ? i never tried it ^^ i mean doesnt matter if a 1,2k+ dmg axe or a silly rapier like mine ..an Forceshild with 43% block but extreme high burden +inteference or an old one 34+ ..would be someone so nice to explain ?
Better said can you tell me how many hits you can do per sec. plz ?

just want to know .. jep !


well, I'm not really into 1H, just wanted to see why Colman, Cats, and Kagoromo love it so much.

2turn/sec.


QUOTE(Colman @ Dec 20 2013, 02:31) *

Do you have very low 1H proficiency? Axe and rapier give similar killing speed for me.Rapier will kill the main target faster while Axe will hit harder with counter attack.
Two draw back of 1h axe are:
- you need to use imperil on SG.
- the bleeding effect from axe will overwrite the strong bleeding from T2 skill.


my 1h prof is like 120.
what do you mean overwrite? I don't understand..... you mean negate?

QUOTE(Drakewyn @ Dec 20 2013, 02:54) *

Cast Sleep.


heavy 1h sucks mana like crazy. i'd rather not waste time casting spells as melee, just attk and kill.
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post Dec 19 2013, 22:27
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Dec 19 2013, 22:20) *

well, I'm not really into 1H, just wanted to see why Colman, Cats, and Kagoromo love it so much.

2turn/sec.
my 1h prof is like 120.
what do you mean overwrite? I don't understand..... you mean negate?
heavy 1h sucks mana like crazy. i'd rather not waste time casting spells as melee, just attk and kill.


my selfish wish to know something was granted ! =)
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post Dec 20 2013, 02:26
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Dec 19 2013, 09:15) *

16 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
15 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
14 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
13 1 Memphis Linesword evades your attack.
12 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
11 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
10 1 Memphis Linesword evades your attack.
9 1 Memphis Linesword parries your attack.
How do you melee in pfudor? I have 12% counterparry. All this parry is just so mindnumbingly frustrating. Even resists in maging isn't so bad.



What is your attack accuracy? That's the only thing I can think of after seeing so many parries.
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post Dec 20 2013, 02:51
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ Dec 20 2013, 03:26) *

What is your attack accuracy? That's the only thing I can think of after seeing so many parries.


Accuracy has no effect on parry, only on evade.
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post Dec 20 2013, 03:01
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Dec 20 2013, 03:20) *

well, I'm not really into 1H, just wanted to see why Colman, Cats, and Kagoromo love it so much.

2turn/sec.
my 1h prof is like 120.
what do you mean overwrite? I don't understand..... you mean negate?
heavy 1h sucks mana like crazy. i'd rather not waste time casting spells as melee, just attk and kill.

The 1H T2 skill have a something like 50% bleeding stacked 5 for 7 rounds. If you hit the same monster by axe, its bleeding % will become your weapon's bleeding rate, which is maxed at 20%.
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post Dec 20 2013, 03:30
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 19 2013, 23:51) *

I had always wanted to ask who has madly forged weapon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Do you remember the weapon's base stat without butcher?
How much percentage upgraded when 100 times forged... about x2 damage with 100 slaughters?

I'm trying niten on Hellfest for fun, but it is too unstable in comparison with 1H.
That's pretty tough, even more than I expected. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Dec 20 2013, 05:28
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just got a small nuke artifact

What should i do
offer or sell it?
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post Dec 20 2013, 05:30
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Dec 20 2013, 08:30) *

I had always wanted to ask who has madly forged weapon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Do you remember the weapon's base stat without butcher?
How much percentage upgraded when 100 times forged... about x2 damage with 100 slaughters?

I'm trying niten on Hellfest for fun, but it is too unstable in comparison with 1H.
That's pretty tough, even more than I expected. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I think you forget that lvl 100 forged slaughter now will not give you 2x base WD , since TenB nerf forge some patch ago
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post Dec 20 2013, 06:09
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 20 2013, 13:30) *

I think you forget that lvl 100 forged slaughter now will not give you 2x base WD , since TenB nerf forge some patch ago

Proof, or fucking bullshit.
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