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Dec 16 2013, 14:10
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Mewtty
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Hi guys,
I'm an elemental mage, but I'm having trouble with maintaining spirit points. Because I use both Spirit Shield and Spark of Life (BOTH of which activate very frequently), my spirit depletes insanely fast. This is only the case on harder difficulties though (IWTBTH, and the difficulty after that, but not so much for Battletoads).
I'm afraid this is going to affect me even as I level up higher. What do you guys suggest I do to maintain Spirit? I use a full sets of Phase Armour with element-suffixes (mostly freyr).
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Dec 16 2013, 14:17
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Colman
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QUOTE(Mewtty @ Dec 16 2013, 20:10)  Hi guys,
I'm an elemental mage, but I'm having trouble with maintaining spirit points. Because I use both Spirit Shield and Spark of Life (BOTH of which activate very frequently), my spirit depletes insanely fast. This is only the case on harder difficulties though (IWTBTH, and the difficulty after that, but not so much for Battletoads).
I'm afraid this is going to affect me even as I level up higher. What do you guys suggest I do to maintain Spirit? I use a full sets of Phase Armour with element-suffixes (mostly freyr).
Increase the spell damage is the best way to slove everything for mage. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Dec 16 2013, 14:26
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Wraithtouch
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If you do not mind making fights longer, consider using spirit drain aug. You still able to restore mana with focus/coalesced/mana pots.
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Dec 16 2013, 14:29
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n125
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It probably just means that you're too weak to handle those difficulties. It sounds like you aren't killing fast enough so enemies have more chances to attack you and fill their MP and SP gauges.
1) Reach level 310 to remove the cool-down on Imperil; 2) get better equipment and start forging your staff; and 3) make sure that Protection, Haste, and Shadow Veil are up at all times.
If your maging style relies heavily on Imperil and a single element, making sure that all of the phase you're wearing has the same suffix will help as well.
In the meantime, just play what you can on IWBTH/PFUDOR, and do the rest on BT or whatever you're comfortable with. Using more Weaken and Silence will give you an easier time on higher difficulties, but your mana consumption will skyrocket and your battles will take much longer, but it's something to consider.
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Dec 16 2013, 20:56
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Owyn
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...my total hp is 5k... QUOTE Ikaros Melan casts IN3, and hits you for 7192 void damage
Scanning Ikaros Melan... HP: 11437/46391 MP: 691/691 SP: 36/567 Monster Class: Celestial, Power Level 1311 Monster Trainer: enjoy008 Melee Attack: Crushing Fire:+62% Cold:+62% Elec:+37% Wind:+62% Holy:+62% Dark:+14% Crushing:-25% Slashing:-25% Piercing:-25%
didn't know player mobs cando void dmg, so now after reading wiki, this monsters spirit attack should be magical and boosted by INT stat, right? QUOTE Monsters with a physical attack damage type gets a Physical type skill (which is boosted by DEX), while those with an elemental attack type get an Magical type skill (which is boosted by INT). so if a make a Sprite-type monster and set his 2nd and 3rd (spirit) attack to be physical (despite those doing elemental\void damage), those would be boosted by its DEX stat, right? http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab
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Dec 17 2013, 00:23
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mutsdhr
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Hi ..just a little question Ex Reinforced Shade Breastplate of the Fleet i would like to know if its worth to max Evade on this one to my max forgelvl (i know its crappy Equip) but dont think i drop anything better soon or get to buy one ..too poor ^^ so if anyone who has done atleast 26 evade and or agi + would be so kind to tell me if there is a noticable difference plz ?!? Would also consider to pay someone who can to forge only Evade to max (50) if its better ! btw i know PMI is most important but dont have so much BoP or can buy em !
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Dec 17 2013, 00:26
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LazyShd
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Hi all.
What better to do with unnecessary equipment, sell or salvage ?
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Dec 17 2013, 00:27
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happy.forum
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Don't salvage Superior and below.
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Dec 17 2013, 00:28
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erwtsnert
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QUOTE(LazyShd @ Dec 17 2013, 01:26)  Hi all.
What better to do with unnecessary equipment, sell or salvage ?
Salvage bad exquisites, keep good exquisite+ items and bazaar anything superior or below.
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Dec 17 2013, 01:08
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etothex
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QUOTE(mutsdhr @ Dec 16 2013, 14:23)  Hi ..just a little question Ex Reinforced Shade Breastplate of the Fleet i would like to know if its worth to max Evade on this one to my max forgelvl (i know its crappy Equip) but dont think i drop anything better soon or get to buy one ..too poor ^^ so if anyone who has done atleast 26 evade and or agi + would be so kind to tell me if there is a noticable difference plz ?!? Would also consider to pay someone who can to forge only Evade to max (50) if its better ! btw i know PMI is most important but dont have so much BoP or can buy em ! no it's not. don't think you'd even be able to get the evade to sup max w/ forging. Log curve = high diminishing returns. Save your shade fragments. But if you're really okay with salvaging it later and only getting 80% back you can do it though. check out the fallout after only 6 barrier upgrades on my mag buckler 26.93 base block +1 = 27.42 +2 = 27.88 +3 = 28.29 +4 = 28.68 +5 = 29.03 +6 = 29.36
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Dec 17 2013, 01:56
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mutsdhr
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QUOTE(etothex @ Dec 17 2013, 02:08)  no it's not. don't think you'd even be able to get the evade to sup max w/ forging. Log curve = high diminishing returns. Save your shade fragments.
But if you're really okay with salvaging it later and only getting 80% back you can do it though.
check out the fallout after only 6 barrier upgrades on my mag buckler 26.93 base block +1 = 27.42 +2 = 27.88 +3 = 28.29 +4 = 28.68 +5 = 29.03 +6 = 29.36
that one hits badass ^^ just want to know Ex 7++ evade is that thing any better ? i mean shitty pabs & so on !
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Dec 17 2013, 02:02
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treesloth
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QUOTE(mutsdhr @ Dec 17 2013, 07:23)  Hi ..just a little question Ex Reinforced Shade Breastplate of the Fleet i would like to know if its worth to max Evade on this one to my max forgelvl (i know its crappy Equip) but dont think i drop anything better soon or get to buy one ..too poor ^^ so if anyone who has done atleast 26 evade and or agi + would be so kind to tell me if there is a noticable difference plz ?!? Would also consider to pay someone who can to forge only Evade to max (50) if its better ! btw i know PMI is most important but dont have so much BoP or can buy em ! don't even think about it. you will drop nicer shade, it will eventually happen. and decent shade is cheap anyway, and will get cheaper.
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Dec 17 2013, 02:53
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etothex
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QUOTE(mutsdhr @ Dec 16 2013, 15:56)  that one hits badass ^^ just want to know Ex 7++ evade is that thing any better ? i mean shitty pabs & so on ! better, but it's only superior max evade. attacks ok, but no dex. Still wouldn't. If you're not familiar with ranges wiki http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges and more pointedly in this case http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges_Lightcompare the BASE value of your equipment (6.22 evade in this case) to the database to know how good it is. But yeah, what treesloth said. You can find better shade at weekly auctions that will go for the start bid (50k).
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Dec 17 2013, 03:00
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Usagi =
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QUOTE(etothex @ Dec 17 2013, 07:08)  no it's not. don't think you'd even be able to get the evade to sup max w/ forging. Log curve = high diminishing returns. Save your shade fragments.
But if you're really okay with salvaging it later and only getting 80% back you can do it though.
check out the fallout after only 6 barrier upgrades on my mag buckler 26.93 base block +1 = 27.42 +2 = 27.88 +3 = 28.29 +4 = 28.68 +5 = 29.03 +6 = 29.36
So how does upgrade scales anyway? because your numbers don't look like a 1 percent increase like the forge page says even on lvl. 1
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Dec 17 2013, 03:02
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etothex
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Dec 16 2013, 17:00)  So how does upgrade scales anyway? because your numbers don't look like a 1 percent increase like the forge page says even on lvl. 1
0.76 notes CODE Forge Tweaks
- Forging upgrade effects have been changed to a logarithmic formula, which means it now has diminishing returns. -- Essentially, early upgrades are worth more than later ones. The non-upgraded forge max is about the same, but the upgraded forge max was reduced. -- For example, instead of the old plain 1% increase per level, the first damage upgrade (0 -> 1) would increase it by about 2.6% while the last upgrade (99 -> 100) would increase it by about 0.25%.
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Dec 17 2013, 03:16
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Usagi =
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Okay, since there's no formula provided, what do you think is the best number of upgrades?
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Dec 17 2013, 03:25
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m118w11
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Dec 17 2013, 03:16)  Okay, since there's no formula provided, what do you think is the best number of upgrades?
Well first thing to consider is how much your piece is worth and how much the mats are worth, don't spend more upgrading a piece than its worth (I wouldn't upgrade a piece worth less than 1M usually). Usually it is good to stop when the price jumps (ie. 2 HG leather to 3 HG leather).
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Dec 17 2013, 04:30
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SPoison
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Scrap Metal
Anyone know what this is? It was an impulse buy when I visited item shop. It's a material, maybe the cost of renaming?
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Dec 17 2013, 05:48
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varst
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QUOTE(SPoison @ Dec 17 2013, 10:30)  Scrap Metal
Anyone know what this is? It was an impulse buy when I visited item shop. It's a material, maybe the cost of renaming?
Can't be sure, just give me a screen cap with the description. (Though there's no cost of renaming) This post has been edited by varst: Dec 17 2013, 05:49
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Dec 17 2013, 06:11
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etothex
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Dec 16 2013, 17:16)  Okay, since there's no formula provided, what do you think is the best number of upgrades?
until you don't get a meaningful amount, arbitrarily decide what that is. It's gonna vary due to difference in scale of numbers for like pabs vs block vs damage. so was thinking the new IW makes all those potion slots useless. Then i realized i can just stuff heal potions in there now. Might have to redo my equip setups by battle type as well. Heal potions have a use again! Makes finishing IWBTH IW runs a lot easier now. I even used less pmi than for the old way, even though by calculations, new IW mobs should hit harder near end. Easier for other fighting styles besides 2h/niten too, with the lower round count.
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