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Dec 29 2010, 22:14
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Golden Sun
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QUOTE To be honest i wasn't able to reliable one shot waves until I got Flames of Loki. Exactly where I started one shooting. Edit: with thunderstorm, though tier 2 is more reliable This post has been edited by Golden Sun: Dec 29 2010, 22:16
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Dec 29 2010, 22:19
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Razorflame
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Thanks for the help guys. I'll continue working on my elemental proficiency as well as my divine proficiency (for Banish later on).
Cheers!
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Dec 29 2010, 23:03
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HNTI
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QUOTE your AP distribution is very wrong... what kind of build are you aiming for? Well, it's basically for relatively quick exp as I don't have any fancy auras for donations and I'm short on credits too, so no love for Adept Learner either. QUOTE buy some better weapons from the WTS... This probably won't happen till I increase a bit scavenger, to have some income from trash drops and a little better drop of artefacts ( Archaeologist 4/10 is under way ) for AP which I badly lack :/. I maxed my elemental proficiency (from level like 8.00 to 46. something ?) like that : all little mana potions in item slots, cake difficulty, staff with some high for ET( not nessecarly0 may not be so bad as it gives you mana for one or two extra casts of the cheapest elemental spell (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). Currently I'm able to one-shot only the main target, but not always as at times their resistances save their asses or I simply miss them. This post has been edited by HNTI: Dec 29 2010, 23:20
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Dec 30 2010, 00:05
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AglowGolem
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QUOTE(HNTI @ Dec 29 2010, 18:03)  Well, it's basically for relatively quick exp as I don't have any fancy auras for donations and I'm short on credits too, so no love for Adept Learner either. This probably won't happen till I increase a bit scavenger, to have some income from trash drops and a little better drop of artefacts ( Archaeologist 4/10 is under way ) for AP which I badly lack :/. I maxed my elemental proficiency (from level like 8.00 to 46. something ?) like that : all little mana potions in item slots, cake difficulty, staff with some high for ET( not nessecarly0 may not be so bad as it gives you mana for one or two extra casts of the cheapest elemental spell (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). Currently I'm able to one-shot only the main target, but not always as at times their resistances save their asses or I simply miss them. With that number of AP you're better with Ele skills = Thunderstorm, as the only one that it's weak to is against Blue slime. Oh and barrier is useless and don't put a point on a magic where you can't master it yet, like the point you have on Fireball/Condem, because IMO it's better to master 1 type of elemental than having a couple of points on each.
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Dec 30 2010, 00:23
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Razorflame
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QUOTE(AglowGolem @ Dec 29 2010, 16:05)  With that number of AP you're better with Ele skills = Thunderstorm, as the only one that it's weak to is against Blue slime.
Incorrect. Amphibious Sperm Whale and Mutant Peacock have partial resistance to electric spells, and Cockatrice, Manthra, and Mind Raper are all resistant to Electric spells.
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Dec 30 2010, 00:34
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Golden Sun
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What? Whale and Peacock are weak to electric spells. Cock/mantra are neutral. MR is a min-boss.
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Dec 30 2010, 00:38
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HNTI
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QUOTE Fireball/Condem Both AP in these skills have their justification (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) : Fireball is the cheapest amongst all elemental (in my case fire) spells, so I used it to maximise my low elemental proficiency and Condemn is just to gain proficiency in Holy during montage as no pell from one magic school means no proficiency gain :<. QUOTE because IMO it's better to master 1 type of elemental than having a couple of points on each. That's my idea, but at this level I have only access to tier 2 fire spells, so I stick to it.
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Dec 30 2010, 00:43
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AglowGolem
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QUOTE(HNTI @ Dec 29 2010, 19:38)  Both AP in these skills have their justification (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) : Fireball is the cheapest amongst all elemental (in my case fire) spells, so I used it to maximise my low elemental proficiency and Condemn is just to gain proficiency in Holy during montage as no pell from one magic school means no proficiency gain :<. That's my idea, but at this level I have only access to tier 2 fire spells, so I stick to it. I'd still prefer having inferno and cast it 2 or 3 times but it's up to you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). Also about Condemn... i think if you reset APs and you don't put points on it, you'll still be gaining proficiency from it... so shhhhh xD
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Dec 30 2010, 00:46
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Razorflame
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Dec 29 2010, 16:34)  What? Whale and Peacock are weak to electric spells. Cock/mantra are neutral. MR is a min-boss.
Yeah, my bad. Also, according to this page, Cockatrice is resistant to Electric spells, as is Manthra and Mind Raper. The last two are mini-bosses, but they appear in mobs often enough to be of concern.
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Dec 30 2010, 00:47
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HNTI
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QUOTE I'd still prefer having inferno and cast it 2 or 3 times but it's up to you tongue.gif. An Cakefeast I prefer to hit mobs for less dmg and more often as Cake mobs virtually don't harm me at the beginning = more chances to increase my ridiculous proficiency (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). Infenro is more expensive and...very impractical in terms of increasing proficiency (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). This post has been edited by HNTI: Dec 30 2010, 00:50
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Dec 30 2010, 00:52
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Razorflame
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QUOTE(HNTI @ Dec 29 2010, 16:47)  An Cakefeast I prefer to hit mobs for less dmg and more often as Cake mobs virtually don't harm me at the beginning = more chances to increase my ridiculous proficiency (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). Infenro is more expensive and...very impractical in terms of increasing proficiency (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). Yes, you are better off using the Tier 1 single target spell to get it up quicker and cost less mana.
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Dec 30 2010, 00:54
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AglowGolem
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QUOTE(HNTI @ Dec 29 2010, 19:47)  An Cakefeast I prefer to hit mobs for less dmg and more often as Cake mobs virtually don't harm me at the beginning = more chances to increase my ridiculous proficiency (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). Infenro is more expensive and...very impractical in terms of increasing proficiency (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). but you shouldn't worry about increasing elemental prof if you're maging, you'll get to the cap before you know it xD oh and sorry i meant inferno instead of meteor xD
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Dec 30 2010, 00:58
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HNTI
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QUOTE oh and sorry i meant inferno instead of meteor xD Even so, the cost of meter and my low number of mana potions make it very bad for my economy (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif). Of course right now, I gain proficiency naturally using mentioned above meteor making arena run every day ;]. This post has been edited by HNTI: Dec 30 2010, 00:58
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Dec 30 2010, 00:58
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Golden Sun
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QUOTE Yeah, my bad. Also, according to this page, Cockatrice is resistant to Electric spells, as is Manthra and Mind Raper. The last two are mini-bosses, but they appear in mobs often enough to be of concern. Scan shows that that page is correct. But cock wasn't considered resistant before scan was implemented, probably because its stats are so low that it's unnoticeable if he is resistant, or if he survived, not much damage would be done to you.
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Dec 30 2010, 01:01
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AglowGolem
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I even think that scary ghost has more resistance than cocratice (or hp or something), generally only blue slime or scary ghost may survive a thunderstorm if not aimed on then of course xD
This post has been edited by AglowGolem: Dec 30 2010, 01:02
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Dec 30 2010, 02:27
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hyl
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thunderstorm can one shot almost kill every mob without sub bosses or higher when i was about level 110 playing on normal. Chan lighting can almost one hit kill most mobs on hard for me now. (same situation for me with thunderstorm on normal as with chainlighting on hard) Blue slime and scary ghost mantra and mind rapers are usually the survivors. But they die from one thunderstorm or magic missle are that.
edit cocktrices usually die, because they don't have that much resistance to it
edit2: i can thunderstorm twice to kill any mob (except mind raper and mantra) to save mp, but on the higher rounds i will take too much damage. So i use chain l. and thunderstorm instead.
This post has been edited by hyl: Dec 30 2010, 02:39
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Dec 30 2010, 02:42
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(marcho @ Dec 29 2010, 16:58)  100% no, but 90%? Probably. With a full set of pre nerf phase (I know boggy has 3 pieces and I have two, by our powers combined...) you can get ~60%+ equip evade, and with a great shield you can get 60+% block. Bonuses to parry and evade from dex/agi and yellow aura/titles do add additively, which should boosty you up to about 90% overall avoidance combining block and evade, a bit higher with parry/resist at level 250.
Currently I'm at 42 evade 42 block 12 parry 12 resist on my melee set, but I'm still in the 140's (70% avoidance overall)
That's funny but if I had the top max evade equips I have seen (3 pre-nerfed phase+2 silks), at level 300 with 300 cloth prof I can get +76.82% evade, looking to the AGI points I currently have (without equipment), consedering I only will raise one AGI point till l300, 5 ranks of yellow aura, hath auras, plus Godslayer title, I'll get +16.68 evade bringing up to 93.5% evade (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Not gonna make the calcs, but I'm sure I could get 100% evade before l350. This post has been edited by cmdct: Dec 30 2010, 02:42
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Dec 30 2010, 03:00
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Golden Sun
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QUOTE Not gonna make the calcs, but I'm sure I could get 100% evade before l350. Before then, tenb will have introduced another nerf.
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Dec 30 2010, 03:04
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Dec 30 2010, 01:00)  Before then, tenb will have introduced another nerf.
It doesn't matter he won't destroy the pieces.
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Dec 30 2010, 03:14
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Golden Sun
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If he caps evade at 50%, how would it not matter?
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