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post Dec 5 2013, 09:08
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QUOTE(Vinnems @ Dec 5 2013, 13:47) *

Are hath perks a necessity when playing higher levels?

nah , gear and weapon more important (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 5 2013, 09:11
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Dec 4 2013, 20:11) *

After maxing out DW, I want to try my hand on elemental maging. What element would you guys consider good? I'm thinking cold (for schoolgirl) or wind (for giant and dragonkin - 2 most annoying foes to kill)

What do you guys think?


It might be possible to mathematically rank the four elements, but in practice I don't really think it matters much. Unless your equipment is very good and well-forged, you will be casting Imperil on just about everything, which renders resistances pretty much moot. If you are already using another style, I actually don't recommend switching to mage until level 310, which is when Imperil loses its cool-down. Also keep in mind that ability resets won't be free forever, so you might not have enough AP to switch back and forth between melee and mage--especially elemental, with its very expensive ability tree.
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post Dec 5 2013, 09:12
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 4 2013, 23:08) *

nah , gear and weapon more important (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Glad to hear it. I have a grand total of 4 hath and my upload speed isn't eligible for H@H. Also, broke.
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post Dec 5 2013, 11:33
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Dec 5 2013, 17:43) *

Why cold for schoolgirls? They're weak against holy and dark, except Konata whose weakness is wind.


Just checked the wiki... Woah so they're changed? Back then they were weak to cold iirc

QUOTE(n125 @ Dec 5 2013, 18:11) *

It might be possible to mathematically rank the four elements, but in practice I don't really think it matters much. Unless your equipment is very good and well-forged, you will be casting Imperil on just about everything, which renders resistances pretty much moot. If you are already using another style, I actually don't recommend switching to mage until level 310, which is when Imperil loses its cool-down. Also keep in mind that ability resets won't be free forever, so you might not have enough AP to switch back and forth between melee and mage--especially elemental, with its very expensive ability tree.


Yeah I'm just planning ahead. I'm still 50 prof away from maxing DW, and I'm going to invest into AP training as well as phase gear first.

On the subject of Imperil, so the current maging playstyle is imperil -> offensive spell? Is it limited to only PTFUDOR, or does it apply to lower difficulty, like hell arena or hellfest?

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post Dec 5 2013, 11:33
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QUOTE(R.D. @ Dec 5 2013, 14:12) *

Glad to hear it. I have a grand total of 4 hath and my upload speed isn't eligible for H@H. Also, broke.

just focus lvling at this moment + gathering credits for training or gear (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Dec 5 2013, 11:37
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Dec 5 2013, 16:33) *

Just checked the wiki... Woah so they're changed? Back then they were weak to cold iirc
Yeah I'm just planning ahead. I'm still 50 prof away from maxing DW, and I'm going to invest into AP training as well as phase gear first.

On the subject of Imperil, so the current maging playstyle is imperil -> offensive spell? Is it limited to only PTFUDOR, or does it apply to lower difficulty, like hell arena or hellfest?

holy mages always the fastest style for clearing DwD and other marathons (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 5 2013, 11:50
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QUOTE(hihohahi @ Dec 5 2013, 13:23) *

holy_demon


QUOTE(varst @ Dec 5 2013, 13:30) *

holy_demon

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QUOTE(n125 @ Dec 5 2013, 16:11) *

Unless your equipment is very good and well-forged, you will be casting Imperil on just about everything,


Do you or anyone you know just cast offensive spells without imperil in PFU?? that's pretty strong if so. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

QUOTE(holy_demon @ Dec 5 2013, 18:33) *

On the subject of Imperil, so the current maging playstyle is imperil -> offensive spell? Is it limited to only PTFUDOR, or does it apply to lower difficulty, like hell arena or hellfest?


I usually imperil everything on PFU, but Nintendo and below I don't, unless it's something like Kodou yuki, mingyanu giant, or those beasts.

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post Dec 5 2013, 12:07
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In DW style, which gear is 1st priority?

Main weapon?(I think)

Off hand? Protective gears?
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post Dec 5 2013, 12:22
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I try casting Imperil on everything because I think it's the method that requires the least amount of attention and thought, but if something resists my Imperil and it isn't an "HTTP-class" monster or something that I recognize as being highly-resistant to wind, then I don't tend to worry about it.

I think it's definitely possible to pick-and-choose which monsters to cast Imperil on, and this is exactly how elemental mages had to play before 0.76. Even on PFUDOR, there are a ton of monsters that you don't really need to cast Imperil on, and this becomes increasingly truer as you lower the difficulty. It's just a matter of how much effort you want to put into sitting there and identifying which monsters need Imperil and which don't every round--and of course this varies with how strong you are relative to the difficulty.

I remember Uno mentioning in the suggestions thread that the "holy-style" of maging is casting Imperil only on the strong monsters, so I guess this implies that this is how he plays, but I don't really know for sure. It's kind of hard imagining someone like danixxx casting Imperil on every I Fear ... monster. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Dec 5 2013, 13:12
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QUOTE(tjsdyddl @ Dec 5 2013, 17:07) *

In DW style, which gear is 1st priority?

Main weapon?(I think)

Off hand? Protective gears?


off course weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

without weapon , you will become battle monk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)



choose your armor too , light or heavy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

power , shade , plate or leather (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Dec 5 2013, 14:20
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 5 2013, 12:12) *



without weapon , you will become battle monk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)




Would love that style if it was viable, no weapon costs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Dec 5 2013, 14:53
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 5 2013, 13:12) *

without weapon , you will become battle monk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

ROFLMAO! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Anyway, I just finished my 1st ever IWBTH T&T using Light-DW. But my Stamina hasn't decreased at all! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Can anybody tell me what the reason may be? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Dec 5 2013, 15:08
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 5 2013, 19:12) *


without weapon , you will become battle monk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)



@Nobody, after reading this, I took off all my gear to see how my stats will look like and then I forgot to put them back on before starting my pfudor hourlies.

What should I do?

Edit;

1 9 You have been defeated.
1 8 Ushijima 1129 hits you for 2276 crushing damage.
1 7 Lance004 crits you for 1810 piercing damage.
1 6 Kanbaru Suruga Ero-kakkoii hits you for 1125 piercing damage.
1 5 Your spell fails to connect.
1 4 Need0227 evades your spell.
1 3 Corruption hits Lifan Dragon 1 for 692 dark damage
1 2 You gain 0.02 points of forbidden magic proficiency.
1 1 You cast Corruption.
0 11 Spawned Monster J: MID=7105 (Aw-338) LV=231 HP=101588
0 10 Spawned Monster I: MID=69779 (Lance004) LV=230 HP=47860.8
0 9 Spawned Monster H: MID=13246 (Gyarados) LV=231 HP=96159
0 8 Spawned Monster G: MID=10466 (Noihara Himari) LV=231 HP=89888
0 7 Spawned Monster F: MID=56607 (Ushijima 1129) LV=233 HP=86154
0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=68078 (Dragonknight Baran) LV=233 HP=79662
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=72923 (Kanbaru Suruga Ero-kakkoii) LV=230 HP=40232.4
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=52525 (Squirmish) LV=231 HP=48079.2
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=47458 (Need0227) LV=230 HP=33540
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=72695 (Lifan Dragon 1) LV=232 HP=60232
0 1 Initializing random encounter ...
0 0 Battle Start!

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post Dec 5 2013, 15:39
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Dec 5 2013, 20:08) *

@Nobody, after reading this, I took off all my gear to see how my stats will look like and then I forgot to put them back on before starting my pfudor hourlies.

What should I do?

Edit;

1 9 You have been defeated.
1 8 Ushijima 1129 hits you for 2276 crushing damage.
1 7 Lance004 crits you for 1810 piercing damage.
1 6 Kanbaru Suruga Ero-kakkoii hits you for 1125 piercing damage.
1 5 Your spell fails to connect.
1 4 Need0227 evades your spell.
1 3 Corruption hits Lifan Dragon 1 for 692 dark damage
1 2 You gain 0.02 points of forbidden magic proficiency.
1 1 You cast Corruption.
0 11 Spawned Monster J: MID=7105 (Aw-338) LV=231 HP=101588
0 10 Spawned Monster I: MID=69779 (Lance004) LV=230 HP=47860.8
0 9 Spawned Monster H: MID=13246 (Gyarados) LV=231 HP=96159
0 8 Spawned Monster G: MID=10466 (Noihara Himari) LV=231 HP=89888
0 7 Spawned Monster F: MID=56607 (Ushijima 1129) LV=233 HP=86154
0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=68078 (Dragonknight Baran) LV=233 HP=79662
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=72923 (Kanbaru Suruga Ero-kakkoii) LV=230 HP=40232.4
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=52525 (Squirmish) LV=231 HP=48079.2
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=47458 (Need0227) LV=230 HP=33540
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=72695 (Lifan Dragon 1) LV=232 HP=60232
0 1 Initializing random encounter ...
0 0 Battle Start!



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@kuro


you maybe get cursed by snowflake (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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@oversoul


maybe in distant future patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Dec 5 2013, 16:11
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Dec 5 2013, 15:08) *

@Nobody, after reading this, I took off all my gear to see how my stats will look like and then I forgot to put them back on before starting my pfudor hourlies.

What should I do?

Edit;

1 9 You have been defeated.
1 8 Ushijima 1129 hits you for 2276 crushing damage.
1 7 Lance004 crits you for 1810 piercing damage.
1 6 Kanbaru Suruga Ero-kakkoii hits you for 1125 piercing damage.
1 5 Your spell fails to connect.
1 4 Need0227 evades your spell.
1 3 Corruption hits Lifan Dragon 1 for 692 dark damage
1 2 You gain 0.02 points of forbidden magic proficiency.
1 1 You cast Corruption.
0 11 Spawned Monster J: MID=7105 (Aw-338) LV=231 HP=101588
0 10 Spawned Monster I: MID=69779 (Lance004) LV=230 HP=47860.8
0 9 Spawned Monster H: MID=13246 (Gyarados) LV=231 HP=96159
0 8 Spawned Monster G: MID=10466 (Noihara Himari) LV=231 HP=89888
0 7 Spawned Monster F: MID=56607 (Ushijima 1129) LV=233 HP=86154
0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=68078 (Dragonknight Baran) LV=233 HP=79662
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=72923 (Kanbaru Suruga Ero-kakkoii) LV=230 HP=40232.4
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=52525 (Squirmish) LV=231 HP=48079.2
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=47458 (Need0227) LV=230 HP=33540
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=72695 (Lifan Dragon 1) LV=232 HP=60232
0 1 Initializing random encounter ...
0 0 Battle Start!

WROFILMGDPGFAO (Wildly Rolling On Floor Insanely Laughing My God-Damn Parent Given Fucking Ass Off) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 5 2013, 15:39) *

@kuro
you maybe get cursed by snowflake (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Cursed? Seriously? In that case, I WANT to stay cursed for life! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Dec 5 2013, 16:14
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I just selling some of my old troll mag power of warding and shade of negation in bazaar , 2 seconds later it already gone (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)


wow (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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post Dec 5 2013, 16:29
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 5 2013, 22:14) *

I just selling some of my old troll mag power of warding and shade of negation in bazaar , 2 seconds later it already gone (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
wow (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I believe some people use script to search for meh gear in the bazzar.
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post Dec 5 2013, 16:36
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Assuming the game is balanced I'd ask:

- In which cases Light armor is better?
- In which cases Heavy armor is better?

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post Dec 5 2013, 16:42
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 5 2013, 16:14) *

I just selling some of my old troll mag power of warding and shade of negation in bazaar , 2 seconds later it already gone (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
wow (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

You just reminded me of yesterday! I accidentally sold all my One-Handed weapons to Bazaar, and before I realized it, they were all Gone from Bazaar!!!!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Dec 5 2013, 17:39
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http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Bazaar#Equipment_Shop
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Some guy might have bought the equipment from bazzar right after you sold, but I think almost of them might have been deleted by system.
I sell at least 150~200 equips to bazzar a day. Not only me, but also the other ppl sell thier equips much more than that.
Bazzar would be filled with too much crappy gears without the automatic remove system (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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