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I haven't been one-shot for some time now, I was simply pointing out my experience in experimenting on how to induce one-shot death; try casting Heartseeker in a large mob consisting of high PL monsters.

I almost never use SoL, only time I cast SoL is in the final round of the Arena or the RoB but I didn't bother casting it last time I did FSM - didn't even get remotely close to needing it.

SoL is crucial for low level random encounter fights imo.

I usually go Haste > Sol/protection > Sol/protection > heartseeker/acane focus. When I was weak, usually I would die in 2nd turn, the Sol damage reduction allowed me to cast all other buff and Sol again then start fighting.

Arguably, which is the most useful spike shield Protect augmentation?

When I was weak, usually I would die in 2nd turn, the Sol damage reduction allowed me to cast all other buff and Sol again then start fighting.

maybe you can cast heartseeker/acane focus for the last. cast regen,SV,SS first after SOL and protection.
heartseeker/acane focus need long cast time, so same monster can hit you 1-3 times depend on their stat.

Arguably, which is the most useful spike shield Protect augmentation?

i chose fire (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

because shearing skin can reduce damage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
I need that thing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

but if you have good armor, you can chose wind to increase evade

This post has been edited by zanky: Nov 21 2013, 08:57

No other suffixes allowed!

I am already using all of the same light type, they stack with the abilities already, plus I need that speed boost for shade

Definitely replace your mace. Make it Slaughter , not Balance. This alone will make a massive difference.

it's impossible for find a ETHEREAL mace of slaughter that has 3 boost and is cheap, I just don't have all that much credits to throw around...

Hourlies. Add 2 - 3 health potions to your battle inventory and eat them whenever your health dips below...60%?

ok, let me iterate, I am talking about 1 turn kill, from full life bar all the way to 0. I was gladly casting all my supports when my life bar was still relatively full, suddenly, GAME OVER! damn it!

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[] [TH-M-01] Superior Ethereal Mace of Slaughter | | 54.43WD(Void) 27%STUN 1PABs(DEX)

that looks ok, but it only has 1 stat boost...

ok, let me iterate, I am talking about 1 turn kill, from full life bar all the way to 0. I was gladly casting all my supports when my life bar was still relatively full, suddenly, GAME OVER! damn it!

I can relate with this. maybe play at a lower difficulty and work your way up once you're stable?

I remember there was 1 time I was in full roster Pfudor hourlies and lost despite having SoL activating 5 times because they just hit too hard.

However, seeing you don't have very nice equips, what do you use your money for anyway? training?

What do you think one-shot death mean, it doesn't mean you are hanging on by the skin of your tooth, it's instant defeat, no next turn for the player.

The OP said casting Heartseeker takes precedence when he has channelling effect available. I took that to mean that he casts Heartseeker first whenever he gains channelling effect regardless of his normal buff casting procedure. I found that most one shot death occurs when Heartseeker is cast before the buffs are in place. I have tried deliberately casting Heartseeker first a few times in RE and sure enough,almost always an instant defeat (max sized mob).

That's why you cast SoL first, if you're going to get 1 shot every turn and health pots can't keep up with heal cds, there's no point in even trying high difficulty. And I don't think we're on the same page, you seem to be talking about RE, where Heartseeker is not even needed.

SoL is crucial for low level random encounter fights imo.

I usually go Haste > Sol/protection > Sol/protection > heartseeker/acane focus. When I was weak, usually I would die in 2nd turn, the Sol damage reduction allowed me to cast all other buff and Sol again then start fighting.

I don't think I have cast SoL no more than 10-20 times in all the time I've played HV. I've used it to do RoB which is seldom because of the lack of ToB drops.

My buff casting sequence without any Channelling Effect: Haste, Protection, Regen, SS, SV and Heartseeker - I'll reverse the Protection and Regen if I get the Channelling Effect after casting Haste. If I get CE after the first 3 buffs are in place, I may cast Heartseeker but only if I have more than 80% HP, if not I'll cast Weaken against the toughest 3 in the mob.

Battling after all the buff/debuff has been cast, usually I can take out 5-7 mid level monsters before the OC becomes full in PFUDOR RE.

That's why you cast SoL first, if you're going to get 1 shot every turn and health pots can't keep up with heal cds, there's no point in even trying high difficulty. And I don't think we're on the same page, you seem to be talking about RE, where Heartseeker is not even needed.

I guess we are not on the same page since I no longer carry any Health pots. Without casting SoL, I have cleared every level of Arena available to me in PFUDOR, save for Eternal Darkness (IWBTH). SoL may be the lifeline for you but it isn't for me.

And why do I and the others are talking about RE? RE is the only instance outside of RoB, where you can face a large and tough mob without having any buff/debuff in place. In the Arena, GF or IW, you start off against small and weaker mobs giving you plenty of opportunity to set up your buff/debuff so that by the time you are facing larger and stronger mobs you are prepared to face them. RE (and RoB) is the only venue where you start from cold.

RE is also the only venue where one shot death can occur because of the overwhelmingly strong attacks from the mob before the buff/debuff is set up or for selecting the wrong buff/debuff sequence. Getting killed at round 115/125 in Eternal Darkness can hardly be called one-shot death (it has happened to me more than once when magic attacks from the School Girls overwhelm my SS). Sure, SoL might have saved me but by this time I am usually down to 1 Mana/Spirit pot and trying to recover my health from 1HP will deplete my resources too severely making it impossible to finish the remaining 10 rounds anyway.

I guess we are not on the same page since I no longer carry any Health pots. Without casting SoL, I have cleared every level of Arena available to me in PFUDOR, save for Eternal Darkness (IWBTH). SoL may be the lifeline for you but it isn't for me.

And why do I and the others are talking about RE? RE is the only instance outside of RoB, where you can face a large and tough mob without having any buff/debuff in place. In the Arena, GF or IW, you start off against small and weaker mobs giving you plenty of opportunity to set up your buff/debuff so that by the time you are facing larger and stronger mobs you are prepared to face them. RE (and RoB) is the only venue where you start from cold.

RE is also the only venue where one shot death can occur because of the overwhelmingly strong attacks from the mob before the buff/debuff is set up or for selecting the wrong buff/debuff sequence. Getting killed at round 115/125 in Eternal Darkness can hardly be called one-shot death (it has happened to me more than once when magic attacks from the School Girls overwhelm my SS). Sure, SoL might have saved me but by this time I am usually down to 1 Mana/Spirit pot and trying to recover my health from 1HP will deplete my resources too severely making it impossible to finish the remaining 10 rounds anyway.

We're obviously not talking about me nor you. RE is a joke at high level, I don't even get damaged more than 30% in 1 turn. Ever. Afaik, you have infinite mana with melee, I can clear DwD PF without using a single pot. But that will probably take me few hours. I'd rather have a 100% succes rate and have a shot at Mag+ arena clear bonus than save some time and risk death. Anyway, based on your post, I assume you think pots are mandatory for survival. They're not.

We're obviously not talking about me nor you. RE is a joke at high level, I don't even get damaged more than 30% in 1 turn. Ever. Afaik, you have infinite mana with melee, I can clear DwD PF without using a single pot. But that will probably take me few hours. I'd rather have a 100% succes rate and have a shot at Mag+ arena clear bonus than save some time and risk death. Anyway, based on your post, I assume you think pots are mandatory for survival. They're not.

All the power to you if you can clear all of your battles without using any pots. For me, pots along with equipment and spells, are all just tools and tools are meant to be used. Pots are self replenishing resource - I always get more pots than what I start with - it'd be ridiculous to not use such resources. Anyway, with your infinite Mana in Melee, you should have no problem completing the HellFest but of course, you may not want to do that if you don't have the Tokenizer perk.

I often clear pfudor re barehanded and I dont even need cure.

Which is also the reason for my low supp prof even though I have IA.

I cleared pfudor Dwd long time ago and all I needed was 5sp pots (and some time)

Just get high block and parry is my opinion for low levels cuz its very cheap to get gears for 50block and 35 parry+++

End of discussion for pfudor RE (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

All the power to you if you can clear all of your battles without using any pots. For me, pots along with equipment and spells, are all just tools and tools are meant to be used. Pots are self replenishing resource - I always get more pots than what I start with - it'd be ridiculous to not use such resources. Anyway, with your infinite Mana in Melee, you should have no problem completing the HellFest but of course, you may not want to do that if you don't have the Tokenizer perk.

You're stating the obvious. Anyway, you missed the point, my point was....it is possible for you to finish your last 10 rounds without any pots because you are melee, why would you think I'm the only one? Lastly, I have absolutely no idea why you would randomly bring hellfest into the story.

I think Oversoul is getting a big head now he's high levelled.

I can do any arena on puff without pots too, that doesn't mean it's time efficient or recommended.

Besides, pots are definitely needed for GF/IW for both mage and melee.

All the power to you if you can clear all of your battles without using any pots. For me, pots along with equipment and spells, are all just tools and tools are meant to be used. Pots are self replenishing resource - I always get more pots than what I start with - it'd be ridiculous to not use such resources. Anyway, with your infinite Mana in Melee, you should have no problem completing the HellFest but of course, you may not want to do that if you don't have the Tokenizer perk.

Zen zen how many hath are you willing to bet if I can clear all pfudor arenas inc Dwd without pots?

Edit : pillow. I miss the old days when oversoul took our advice too >< he was kawaii back then but now he's grown up and he now knows more than us (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

This post has been edited by cruelsion: Nov 22 2013, 03:08

Edit : pillow. I miss the old days when oversoul took our advice too >< he was kawaii back then but now he's grown up and he now knows more than us (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Human will grow up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Loli will also grow up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Sometimes I hate myself for taking this game too serious

it's good if you go all out when you do something (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

it's impossible for find a ETHEREAL mace of slaughter that has 3 boost and is cheap, I just don't have all that much credits to throw around...

then buy one with 2 PAB, or even 1 PAB (priotise str then dex). Price of the kind with 3PABs are inflated dramatically because people want to IW it (the kind with 3 exq+ PABs is even exponentially more expensive, cos of forging peeps). If you're not planning to IW (which you shouldn't at your current level and finance), then getting 3PAB is just a waste of credits

ok, let me iterate, I am talking about 1 turn kill, from full life bar all the way to 0. I was gladly casting all my supports when my life bar was still relatively full, suddenly, GAME OVER! damn it!

if that's the case, always cast Spark of Life first, followed by haste->spirit shield->protection->SV->regen. Bring 2 spirit pots with you and you can just tank through everything, pop a heroic health pot, spam cure and you can tank through everything.