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post Nov 13 2013, 22:44
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People may be replying to my previous post so I'll put this separate.

@Oversoul it's good you mentioned your points because I wanted to point some of them out as well but I forgot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I agree Adept Learner is good. What many players don't realize is that Experience is your best friend. I myself only have 181 levels of Adept Learner but I got most of my levels back when the Black/White/Rainbow gave +exp and all that jazz. There are still good ways to get exp though. Dawn, doing 1 post a day, getting at least 150 Adept Learner, doing random encounters on PFUDOR, playing some arenas on as high a difficulty as you can, doing End of Days + Eternal Darkness on PFUDOR (just the first 50 or so rounds without schoolgirls)

I agree about Arenas. Arena is another good friend in HV. +loot bonus at end, +credits, +exp mods, token bonuses. Back when I was doing my 1-2 hours play-throughs a day, it was the most rewarding HV routine.

Lastly about gear, 3PAB/4PAB is overrated and not worth the extra expenditure unless a fitting substitute falls into your lap. So long as wastedman has a decent attribute spread, his survival capabilities should be fine. I'd go with something like:
Int=Wis=End=1.5Agi=1.5Dex=3Str

Which means the experience cost for the +Int should be thrice the cost for +Str and roughly 50% higher compared to the price for Agi or Dex.

Another good habit is feathering the staff when he plays since that gives him a nice bit boost in evade.

As for IW service: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=114495 is pretty good pricing. I personally had https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=2254055 help me out since he offers a very generous discount if you pay him in items he wants although his general WTB offering is a little below market for most stuff, the High Cloth/Midwood/Trash Bindings (fire-eater/friends) will give you a decent deal.

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You'll definitely want Spirit Shield if you want to attempt higher difficulties. In which case you'd need to invest ability points into SP tanks and spirit shield maxing. Its lacking is what's probably limiting you from fighting in higher difficulty.

Dirt cheap = less than your credit income after a 1 week period.
Think of it this way.
100k is a lot of credits to a level 0 but probably negligible to a level 200+

Econ is the *best* proficiency for staff. Think of it this way. Cures, Debuff, IA, Supportive Buff, Tier 3's, all get -25% cost. This means you can cast more spells than normal which means you have more firepower in your arsenal overall. Which translates to overall destructive capabilities (more ammo). My bias view of the 25% cost reduction in general is it's like a +20% damage boost. If you look at it that way, it blows other potencies straight out of the water.

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post Nov 13 2013, 23:02
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QUOTE(Slobber @ Nov 14 2013, 04:44) *

People may be replying to my previous post so I'll put this separate.

@Oversoul it's good you mentioned your points because I wanted to point some of them out as well but I forgot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I agree Adept Learner is good. What many players don't realize is that Experience is your best friend. I myself only have 181 levels of Adept Learner but I got most of my levels back when the Black/White/Rainbow gave +exp and all that jazz. There are still good ways to get exp though. Dawn, doing 1 post a day, getting at least 150 Adept Learner, doing random encounters on PFUDOR, playing some arenas on as high a difficulty as you can, doing End of Days + Eternal Darkness on PFUDOR (just the rounds without schoolgirls)

I agree about Arenas. Arena is another good friend in HV. +loot bonus at end, +credits, +exp mods, token bonuses. Back when I was doing my 1-2 hours play-throughs a day, it was the most rewarding HV routine.

Lastly about gear, 3PAB/4PAB is overrated and not worth the extra expenditure unless a fitting substitute falls into your lap. So long as wastedman has a decent attribute spread, his survival capabilities should be fine. I'd go with something like:
Int=Wis=End=1.5Agi=1.5Dex=3Str

Which means the experience cost for the +Int should be thrice the cost for +Str and roughly 50% higher compared to the price for Agi or Dex.

Another good habit is feathering the staff when he plays since that gives him a nice bit boost in evade.

As for IW service: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=114495 is pretty good pricing. I personally had https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=2254055 help me out since he offers a very generous discount if you pay him in items he wants although his general WTB offering is a little below market for most stuff, the High Cloth/Midwood/Trash Bindings (fire-eater/friends) will give you a decent deal.



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post Nov 13 2013, 23:10
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Your evade is good for your level. Feathering the staff should give you 35+

Your parry has a lot of room for improvement at low cost. I'd raise it to at *least* half of your AGI cost.

int = wis = end = agi is an alright set up too.
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post Nov 13 2013, 23:17
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QUOTE(Slobber @ Nov 14 2013, 05:10) *

Your evade is good for your level. Feathering the staff should give you 35+

Your parry has a lot of room for improvement at low cost. I'd raise it to at *least* half of your AGI cost.

int = wis = end = agi is an alright set up too.


For parry, increase my dex?

I actually weighted end and int them most important.
end= more hp and higher PMI& MMI.
int= more mp and ammo for spell with a boost in magical damage.

Is there a way to save this conversation, as I might need to revise from time to time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Nov 13 2013, 23:18
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QUOTE(Slobber @ Nov 13 2013, 22:10) *

Your evade is good for your level. Feathering the staff should give you 35+

Your parry has a lot of room for improvement at low cost. I'd raise it to at *least* half of your AGI cost.

int = wis = end = agi is an alright set up too.





Honestly, I'm kind of amazed you got 400+ without any stars, so dedicated. :3

Also, I don't think ~30 Agi on each piece is overrated. Price won't differ much for Exq. Searching for them can be time consuming though.

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post Nov 13 2013, 23:45
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Does lvling up scale with your equipments stat or sth?
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post Nov 13 2013, 23:51
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@wastedman yes increase parry by upping the dex a tad. I'd say half the cost your agi is asking for is an OK amount. Most of the hits coming at you are parry-able.

I'd left click #39844 at the top right of your post. It should give you a URL for your post. Copy/paste that into your "notepad" in your control panel. Click "update"

@Oversoul Yeah I knew what I wanted and I made sure I didn't stray from it.

Raced to 300 early (before the huge dawn exp kicked in) and the dawn events+my 1hour of arena/day for a few months did the rest. Nowadays the dawn is responsible for 90%+ of my daily exp.

And yep, time is our most valuable currency. Looking for that extra PAB stat (usually it's pretty insignificant bonuses) is questionable use of time. If the third/fourth pab was significantly large, then maybe it'd give a nice bonus (like the +AGI on some of the phase nowadays). Otherwise? Bleh.

wastedman's gear is arguably better than mine in some ways and I do just fine. My staff has had some forgings though.

@hihohahi not sure what you mean. But when you level you generally have a lot of things going for you. *All* your gear will scale with your level so they all get +stat once you level up. And you also get more primary attributes from all that exp you've gathered. Most importantly, you'll gain access to more ability tree. Like in wastedman's case. He doesn't use spirit shield (I think) and that's restricting him from comfortably doing the higher difficulties. Similarly, at lvl 310 you get 0 cooldown Imperil which is very useful for spamming and crowd killing.

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post Nov 13 2013, 23:56
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QUOTE(wastedman @ Nov 13 2013, 14:32) *

I just use SoL, so 2 usages no matter how many points I got.

Max spirit tank and you will get 3 SoL usages from your full points, its worth it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Nov 14 2013, 01:28
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QUOTE(Slobber @ Nov 13 2013, 16:51) *



Raced to 300 early (before the huge dawn exp kicked in) and the dawn events+my 1hour of arena/day for a few months did the rest. Nowadays the dawn is responsible for 90%+ of my daily exp.




(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) what does this mean? isn't dawn exp only 5% till you lvl up? or the exp can't go down?


ty for replying
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post Nov 14 2013, 01:44
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Okay so I did a little experiment:

On the wiki (http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Burden) it says burden reduces evade by 4/3% (1.33%) but I try equipping 2 different pieces with same Agi and no evade,

with 7 burden, evade= 30.5
with 0 burden, evade= 31.3

Wouldn't this makes 1 burden = 0.15% (3/20%) evade?

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Character_Stats

Evade = 1 - (1 - shadow_veil) * (1- (1 - Min((Burden * 4/3%)^1.5 , 1)) * (1 - (1 - equip_bonus) * (1 - title_bonus) * (1 - AGI * 0.04%)))

what is ^1.5 ,1)) anyway?
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post Nov 14 2013, 01:56
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Nov 14 2013, 00:44) *

Okay so I did a little experiment:

On the wiki (http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Burden) it says burden reduces evade by 4/3% (1.33%) but I try equipping 2 different pieces with same Agi and no evade,

with 7 burden, evade= 30.5
with 0 burden, evade= 31.3

Wouldn't this makes 1 burden = 0.15% (3/20%) evade?

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Character_Stats

Evade = 1 - (1 - shadow_veil) * (1- (1 - Min((Burden * 4/3%)^1.5 , 1)) * (1 - (1 - equip_bonus) * (1 - title_bonus) * (1 - AGI * 0.04%)))

what is ^1.5 ,1)) anyway?


You answered yourself partially, it's not a lineair function because there are other factors. Think about it like this, if the factors are 10 * 10 * (1-(Burden * 4/3%)) then the difference between evade with 10 burden and no burden would not be 10*4/3%.
The Min is there because you can't go negative with evade.


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post Nov 14 2013, 02:00
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But with 1- in front wouldn't this makes anything that comes out of it negative?
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post Nov 14 2013, 02:07
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Nov 14 2013, 01:00) *

But with 1- in front wouldn't this makes anything that comes out of it negative?




How can anything 1 - x with x lower than 1 be negative....?
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post Nov 14 2013, 02:21
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okay, let's assume:
shadow veil = 0
burden = 10
equip bonus = 10
title bonus = 0
agi = 100

1 - (1 - 0) * (1- (1 - 10 * 4/3%)^1.5)) * (1 - (1 - 10) * (1 -0) * (1 - 100 * 0.04%)))

=-0.8528

maybe equip bonus = 10% = 0.1

1-1*0.193*0.1*1*0.96=0.98

evade=0.98=98%

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post Nov 14 2013, 02:41
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QUOTE(Colman @ Nov 13 2013, 04:47) *

Dw with armor that give adb. If you use club at main hand. You can use focus safely. And You do not need to bring mana pot ( bring 2-3 in case you need it ).


Q____Q I gave up after a few hours, I noticed my spirit pots were a bit too low to last in the long run but even without that it was taking sooo long, I don't doubt I could have finished, I just didn't want to keep going. Maybe another day.
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post Nov 14 2013, 02:55
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Nov 14 2013, 01:21) *

okay, let's assume:
shadow veil = 0
burden = 10
equip bonus = 10
title bonus = 0
agi = 100

1 - (1 - 0) * (1- (1 - 10 * 4/3%)^1.5)) * (1 - (1 - 10) * (1 -0) * (1 - 100 * 0.04%)))

=-0.8528

maybe equip bonus = 10% = 0.1

1-1*0.193*0.1*1*0.96=0.98

evade=0.98=98%


Equip_bonus etc are features, you can't just put random numbers in there without knowing their modifiers or how they're coded. Even if we assume we can, your math is off.
(1 - (1 - 0.1) * (1 -0) * (1 - 100 * 0.04%)) =/= 0.1*1*0.96

Also
1- (1 - 0) * (1 - 10 * 4/3%)^1.5)) =/= 1-1*0.193

Edit: You also disregarded the big brackets. Basically, everything is wrong lol
Edit2: You also randomy left a bracket away... (1 - Min((10 * 4/3%)^1.5 , 1)) vs (1 - 10 * 4/3%)^1.5))

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post Nov 14 2013, 05:24
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nobody buying HG leather now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 14 2013, 05:54
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Legendary wakizashi. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) What's the most popular suffix for these, again?
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post Nov 14 2013, 06:01
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slaughter and switfness (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

have some good drop , n (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 14 2013, 06:01
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Nov 13 2013, 20:01) *

slaughter and switfness (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

have some good drop , n (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Balance, so I guess not. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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