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Nov 12 2013, 22:12
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wastedman
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QUOTE(varst @ Nov 12 2013, 23:18)  I just watched someone doing normal TT&T. With some strategy (buff/debuffs) you can never die. I don't even see his SP/HP decreased.
Do you know the time he used and his lvl? that may be related (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by wastedman: Nov 12 2013, 22:12
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Nov 12 2013, 22:51
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Wraithtouch
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QUOTE(wastedman @ Nov 12 2013, 14:12)  Do you know the time he used and his lvl? that may be related (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I beat normal TTT right at 250 and it wasnt hard or long battle. Takes as long as you need to beat normal difficulty FSM, and was really thin compared to 5.7m hp pfudor one (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) To be on safe side you can always silence and weaken all of them, i am pretty sure that no cooldown weaken comes right at 250 level. edit : by the way, i am mage, and i didnt bring any last elixirs, didnt enchant staff or used gum, just normal inventory of few heroic spirits and heroic mana, maybe 1 health. This post has been edited by Wraithtouch: Nov 12 2013, 22:55
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Nov 12 2013, 23:05
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wastedman
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QUOTE(Wraithtouch @ Nov 13 2013, 04:51)  I beat normal TTT right at 250 and it wasnt hard or long battle. Takes as long as you need to beat normal difficulty FSM, and was really thin compared to 5.7m hp pfudor one (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) To be on safe side you can always silence and weaken all of them, i am pretty sure that no cooldown weaken comes right at 250 level. edit : by the way, i am mage, and i didnt bring any last elixirs, didnt enchant staff or used gum, just normal inventory of few heroic spirits and heroic mana, maybe 1 health. I am boosting my ability points for that now, and how can you beat the 5.7 M one? Don't you run out of mp?
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Nov 12 2013, 23:13
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hihohahi
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How much magic base damage is considered decent/high? I currently have 2022 but i feel i cant go any higher except getting bindings of destruction.
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Nov 12 2013, 23:24
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Wraithtouch
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I have to use potions only to speed up killing schoolgirls. FSM alone doesnt need those -> drain and focus are more than enough, and it probably would be fine with just focus, just much slower. I have less than 2000 magic base damage (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Though i have a feeling, that if you cant go after high damage bonus from top quality items, it can be more beneficial to aim for mana conservation. Probably easier to get decent conserve with just a good staff.
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Nov 13 2013, 01:31
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(surted @ Nov 12 2013, 17:47)  wich cloth armour should i get at my lvl? Just go to a free show and get "superior whatever of protection". Thanks to the free shops distributing decent items to low level players playing HV with DW or 2H is a walk in the park below lv.100. PS: if you're going for heavy armour there's a free sup power armor of slaughter for low level players, in my shop.
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Nov 13 2013, 03:01
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Nov 13 2013, 02:16)  Thanks for your advice, nobody. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) 1. AD 6459, PMI 66.3% - Full Power Slaughter set (I'm using this for most situation, except GF) 2. AD 6004, PMI 69.7% - 1 Plate & 4 Power set 3. AD 5498, PMI 72.7% - 2 Plate & 3 Power set 4. AD 4924, PMI 74.4% - 3 Plate & 2 Power set (I'm using this for GF) I tested hellfest 2~3 times for above each case. No.4 was the most stable and make me comfortable, and the clear time was not that different from the others. Rather, No.1 & No.2 needs more Cure and Full-Cure, so sometimes potions are nearly insufficient and I should pay attention to play. It really bothered me. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) As you know, hellfest takes a long time (2~3 hours), so I want to easily clear it without worry. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) No.1 was good enough to clear marathons & IW fast, but it seems not suitable for GF. If I could increase my AD maintaining PMI, I'll do it... Like AD 6459, PMI 74.4%. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) In fact, I'm trying to clear Nintendofest right now. I barely reached 919 round in 3h5m, but the potions ran out. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) I think PMI 80%+ is required to clear it. Maintaining AD near 5000 of course. I said increase your damage with slaughter bindings (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Nov 13 2013, 05:00
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Colman
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Nov 13 2013, 10:54)  Oh... well, maybe after get Crystarium III (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I wanna use slaughter bindings to 2H weapon if I'm rich in the distant future. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) BTW do you think 80% PMI is enough for 2H or Niten user to easily clear Hellfest? Or 85%? Of course, assuming that not using fully forged awesome melee weapon, but for normal ppl like me. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) My test tell me that using heavy estoc is not good idea to play in GF. Even if your PMI is high, you still need to heal a lot even in early rounds.
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Nov 13 2013, 05:03
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Amaduyu Mitsumi
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I still want to try 1H with Max PMI + Max Resist Shade of Arcanist, preferably with Force Shield. That build might prove to have a good balance between damage (Shade's AD and AS) and defense (Force's block and Arcanist's resist chance). Still nowhere near the estimated resource needed to support this dream though. I haven't even unlocked Crys I. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)
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Nov 13 2013, 05:04
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holy_demon
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Are mages these days still playing dark/holy magic exclusively, or has elemental magic gotten more popular?
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Nov 13 2013, 05:06
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Colman
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Nov 13 2013, 11:04)  Are mages these days still playing dark/holy magic exclusively, or has elemental magic gotten more popular?
See the weekly auction and you can tell. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Nov 13 2013, 05:23
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Nov 13 2013, 10:04)  Are mages these days still playing dark/holy magic exclusively, or has elemental magic gotten more popular?
some still playing dark/holy , but they are some of best dark/holy mages in HV with fully forged everything like uno or danixxx (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) @cat you need high damage and 81%PMI+ to doing it good in hellfest (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Nov 13 2013, 05:31
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Colman @ Nov 13 2013, 14:06)  See the weekly auction and you can tell. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Well that's why I'm asking, seems like elemental phases got sold for good price. Is there any reason?
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Nov 13 2013, 05:35
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Colman
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Nov 13 2013, 11:31)  Well that's why I'm asking, seems like elemental phases got sold for good price. Is there any reason?
1: Holy/dark give similar damage with much higher mp cost 2: Imperil do not reduce the specific mit below 0, and work better with elemental.
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Nov 13 2013, 05:41
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varst
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QUOTE(wastedman @ Nov 13 2013, 04:12)  Do you know the time he used and his lvl? that may be related (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Around lv.250, at first he can't beat it cause he's not using buffs/debuffs properly. Then he start using imperil/silence/weaken and everything goes fine.
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Nov 13 2013, 08:35
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Colman @ Nov 11 2013, 19:16)  If you want to play safely on high difficult, you may want to try 1H. But it is slow when 1H proficiency below 200. Another way is too kill faster. At least kill them before most of the mobs use their special/magic attack. In this case you may want to try 2H (estoc/longsword).
Mace can stun most of the mobs and make you very safe as well.
i tried out 2H longsword, though, how important is "elementary" damage or should i just go for whatever has the highest raw damage (ie slaughter). though, my 2H proficiency is very low in the single digits. what's the best/fastest way to train this up? also, i'm currently using all lightweight weapons. should i switch to heavy and tank things out? or will i be too slow and get killed fast. This post has been edited by malkatmp: Nov 13 2013, 08:35
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Nov 13 2013, 08:40
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wastedman
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QUOTE(varst @ Nov 13 2013, 11:41)  Around lv.250, at first he can't beat it cause he's not using buffs/debuffs properly. Then he start using imperil/silence/weaken and everything goes fine.
So my survival depends mainly on deprecating skills. Do you think Ishould cast both slow and magnet a lot? My prof is close to 90 now.
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Nov 13 2013, 09:06
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Colman
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Nov 13 2013, 14:35)  i tried out 2H longsword, though, how important is "elementary" damage or should i just go for whatever has the highest raw damage (ie slaughter). though, my 2H proficiency is very low in the single digits. what's the best/fastest way to train this up?
also, i'm currently using all lightweight weapons. should i switch to heavy and tank things out? or will i be too slow and get killed fast.
Raw damage is the most important stat for Longsword (and for most of the weapons), followed by bleeding damage. Ethereal is good for it low burden, and a must for light armor user. Elemental damage is just a bonus. FYI, full plate of protection is very tough and you should be very safe in most of the case. edit: you do not need to worry about the 2H proficiency, it will catch up soon This post has been edited by Colman: Nov 13 2013, 09:08
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Nov 13 2013, 09:24
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etothex
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full plate of protection is so 0.75. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) For lowbies, I'd say 3-4 plate of protection, and then get some legendary plate of dampening (w/ good +crush% rolls) is the way to go. Multiplicative PMI gives diminishing returns. It's dirt cheap due to lack of demand. Specific Mit stats do not scale so you can get maximum benefit from level 1. high crush% means hordes of giants won't constantly put you in the red. Higher tier in general = higher PABs. same for leather of protection/deflection
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