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Nov 11 2013, 15:26
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cruelsion
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QUOTE(Colman @ Nov 12 2013, 00:15)  Is it my feeling or the high PL monsters grow rapidly (in term of strength ) recently? I found that the rate of getting heavy hit increased by a lot.
monsters are getting stronger these days.. perhaps chaos token drops a lot for the players one e.g. is blackmo mob it was squishy like fibre or i fear monster but now it's quite fearsome.
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Nov 11 2013, 17:00
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lwprbf
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May i ask some questions about the token of blood? Did anyone know which arena drop the token of blood more frequently? And by changing the diff. will it affect the arena token bonus?
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Nov 11 2013, 17:02
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Usagi =
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QUOTE(lwprbf @ Nov 11 2013, 23:00)  May i ask some questions about the token of blood? Did anyone know which arena drop the token of blood more frequently? And by changing the diff. will it affect the arena token bonus?
No, difficulty doesn't affect token drop as far as I remember. Rule of thumb is the higher the arena the higher the chance for token drop especially at lvl.100+ arena.
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Nov 11 2013, 17:24
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erwtsnert
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QUOTE(Colman @ Nov 11 2013, 16:15)  Is it my feeling or the high PL monsters grow rapidly (in term of strength ) recently? I found that the rate of getting heavy hit increased by a lot.
I see way more crystal pack WTBs too, compared to almost none previous patch.
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Nov 11 2013, 17:56
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Oversoul
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I prioritize increasing my pets over strengthening them, even my lvl 50s can bring me Slaughter bindings :3
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Nov 11 2013, 18:00
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hihohahi
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Anyone experiencing random lag yesterday and today? ping timeout sometimes for a long while.. while i can still load other things just fine
edit: nvm dns failed
This post has been edited by hihohahi: Nov 11 2013, 18:16
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Nov 11 2013, 18:03
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wastedman
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Nov 11 2013, 23:56)  I prioritize increasing my pets over strengthening them, even my lvl 50s can bring me Slaughter bindings :3
You will see your burden after 2-3 weeks (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Also, should I have a few PL 500+ monsters or a lot of weaklings? This post has been edited by wastedman: Nov 11 2013, 18:04
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Nov 11 2013, 18:13
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Oversoul
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QUOTE(wastedman @ Nov 11 2013, 17:03)  You will see your burden after 2-3 weeks (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Also, should I have a few PL 500+ monsters or a lot of weaklings? Increasing PL requires crystals/credits and increasing pets requires tokens. So you can do both. :3
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Nov 11 2013, 18:14
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Malenk
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QUOTE(wastedman @ Nov 11 2013, 16:03)  You will see your burden after 2-3 weeks (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Also, should I have a few PL 500+ monsters or a lot of weaklings? having a lot of low level monsters was good in the past because they paid back the cost to raise them (crystals) in a small amount of time and after that... profit! right now you have to take happy pills into account so i think they aren't the way to go anymore. all my monsters are at least PL200 right now but i'm working on getting more PL600+ and the important chaos upgrades before i unlock more slots.
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Nov 11 2013, 18:16
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Oversoul
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QUOTE(Malenk @ Nov 11 2013, 17:14)  having a lot of low level monsters was good in the past because they paid back the cost to raise them (crystals) in a small amount of time and after that... profit! right now you have to take happy pills into account so i think they aren't the way to go anymore. all my monsters are at least PL200 right now but i'm working on getting more PL600+ and the important chaos upgrades before i unlock more slots.
Why not use crystals to increase morale? Seems a lot cheaper.
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Nov 11 2013, 18:16
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(wastedman @ Nov 11 2013, 16:03)  Also, should I have a few PL 500+ monsters or a lot of weaklings? Few, strong ones. Most players have a level 100+ or 200+ (because the experience needed to the next level is exponential), so monsters around PL 400 or PL 500 will have more chances of appearing in battle. Also, you cannot make a mob remembered if it does not have a high PL and a lot of chaos tokens.
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Nov 11 2013, 18:24
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malkatmp
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how do you guys find the balance between getting more damage vs more mitigation on non-weapon equipment?
also, after reading the wiki, i still don't quick understand why "absorb" spells is useful. anyone can elaborate on this?
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Nov 11 2013, 18:33
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Pillowgirl
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In the past having shitloads of PL 25 monsters was good for getting bindings.
Now it's barely profitable as low monsters just lose morale too quickly and barely fight to even get a gift and if they do it's a single low level mat most of the time.
In the future chaos token'd monsters will bring bindings/mats based on what skill you levelled up, for example;
Scavenging: metal/wood/cloth/rares Brutality: slaughter bindings Swiftness: cheetah bindings Accuracy: balance bindings etc...
All your crap monsters without chaos tokens will be practically useless.
PS : i haven't played in like a month just as zanky/clark/nobody, it's not fun grinding for crap items.
This post has been edited by Pillowgirl: Nov 11 2013, 18:38
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Nov 11 2013, 18:36
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Colman
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Nov 12 2013, 00:24)  how do you guys find the balance between getting more damage vs more mitigation on non-weapon equipment?
also, after reading the wiki, i still don't quick understand why "absorb" spells is useful. anyone can elaborate on this?
absorb spell is not useful IMO. Heavy hit should be handled by SoL or SS. The absorb from scroll can be useful sometimes. For balance between attack and defense, it really depend on your playing style. For example, I used to play without much healing, so I use full plate to run a test first. Then replace plate by power one by one until I barely need some heal. This post has been edited by Colman: Nov 11 2013, 18:40
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Nov 11 2013, 18:48
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Colman @ Nov 11 2013, 18:36)  absorb spell is not useful IMO. Heavy hit should be handled by Sol or SS. The absorb from scroll can be useful sometimes.
For balance between attack and defense, it really depend on your playing style. For example, I used to play without much healing, so I use full plate to run a test first. Then replace plate by power one by one until I barely need some heal.
thanks. a lot of time it's hard to deal with a bunch (5+) enemies on nightmare (or higher) difficulty with melee (Dual Wielding). is there a better way for crowd control aside from "frenzied blow"?
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Nov 11 2013, 19:16
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Colman
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Nov 12 2013, 00:48)  thanks. a lot of time it's hard to deal with a bunch (5+) enemies on nightmare (or higher) difficulty with melee (Dual Wielding). is there a better way for crowd control aside from "frenzied blow"?
If you want to play safely on high difficult, you may want to try 1H. But it is slow when 1H proficiency below 200. Another way is too kill faster. At least kill them before most of the mobs use their special/magic attack. In this case you may want to try 2H (estoc/longsword). Mace can stun most of the mobs and make you very safe as well.
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Nov 11 2013, 19:53
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wastedman
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Nov 12 2013, 00:13)  Increasing PL requires crystals/credits and increasing pets requires tokens. So you can do both. :3
I have 14 now, how many are you planning to have? QUOTE(Malenk @ Nov 12 2013, 00:14)  having a lot of low level monsters was good in the past because they paid back the cost to raise them (crystals) in a small amount of time and after that... profit! right now you have to take happy pills into account so i think they aren't the way to go anymore. all my monsters are at least PL200 right now but i'm working on getting more PL600+ and the important chaos upgrades before i unlock more slots.
I plan on increasing every one's PL lvl to 750 one by one, with the most balanced strength and upgrades. QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Nov 12 2013, 00:33)  In the past having shitloads of PL 25 monsters was good for getting bindings.
Now it's barely profitable as low monsters just lose morale too quickly and barely fight to even get a gift and if they do it's a single low level mat most of the time.
In the future chaos token'd monsters will bring bindings/mats based on what skill you levelled up, for example;
Scavenging: metal/wood/cloth/rares Brutality: slaughter bindings Swiftness: cheetah bindings Accuracy: balance bindings etc...
All your crap monsters without chaos tokens will be practically useless. PS : i haven't played in like a month just as zanky/clark/nobody, it's not fun grinding for crap items.
If that's true, I might only upgrade brutality, then buy other stuff. I am looking forward for that future. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Nov 11 2013, 20:07
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Oversoul
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QUOTE(wastedman @ Nov 11 2013, 18:53)  I have 14 now, how many are you planning to have?
24, planning to get to 100 before starting to chaos, my lvl 50s are bringing me more useful stuffs than my 250. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Nov 11 2013, 17:33)  In the past having shitloads of PL 25 monsters was good for getting bindings.
Now it's barely profitable as low monsters just lose morale too quickly and barely fight to even get a gift and if they do it's a single low level mat most of the time.
In the future chaos token'd monsters will bring bindings/mats based on what skill you levelled up, for example;
Scavenging: metal/wood/cloth/rares Brutality: slaughter bindings Swiftness: cheetah bindings Accuracy: balance bindings etc...
All your crap monsters without chaos tokens will be practically useless. PS : i haven't played in like a month just as zanky/clark/nobody, it's not fun grinding for crap items.
How does that work? If you chaos max everything, wouldn't the drop proportions stay the same? Is this confirmed or just rumour? Also, I don't think morale is a big problem because of crystals.
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Nov 11 2013, 20:15
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erwtsnert
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QUOTE(Oversoul @ Nov 11 2013, 21:07)  24, planning to get to 100 before starting to chaos, my lvl 50s are bringing me more useful stuffs than my 250. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) How does that work? If you chaos max everything, wouldn't the drop proportions stay the same? Is this confirmed or just rumour? Also, I don't think morale is a big problem because of crystals. I just don't chaos anything, just create monsters as soon as I unlock another slot and only feed them when they get hungry. They don't bring in absolute fortunes every day, but each of them give a 5k+ binding weekly atleast. What Pillowgirl said was just a what if situation.
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Nov 11 2013, 20:40
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wastedman
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QUOTE(erwtsnert @ Nov 12 2013, 02:15)  I just don't chaos anything, just create monsters as soon as I unlock another slot and only feed them when they get hungry. They don't bring in absolute fortunes every day, but each of them give a 5k+ binding weekly atleast.
What Pillowgirl said was just a what if situation.
After all the ideas, I think i will expand the army asap, while keeping a small group of elite with high PL with minimal chaos upgrade. Also what is the order of perks you guys are unlocking, as right now I only got innate arcana (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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