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Oct 21 2013, 06:35
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clarkiest
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I'm quite fine with 5 level of pack rat. The last IW, I spent all three of my spirit pots, but still have half spirit tank left when I finished it. I also has one unused mana pots when finished, while my mana tank was full. I suspect I will need five spirit pots if I am to IW the same exquisite in Battletoad but one less mana pot for it. I do try to raise mana by doing focus hocus pocus, but haven't found the right way to do it. Should I do it when the mobs were fresh, so that overcharge drain is minimum? Or, should I do it when they're down to only one monster, minimizing the chance of getting beaten and use cure for that? So far, both approaches were not very successful. I need an advice on this. Turning off spirit stance is viable only for a short time. I don't know how it come to be, but I got beaten when turning it off, and forced to cast cure for the sake of safety. I'm quite satisfied with my stat, but if there's a weakness in it, please do tell. This post has been edited by clarkiest: Oct 21 2013, 06:37
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Oct 21 2013, 06:50
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Oct 21 2013, 12:35)  I'm quite fine with 5 level of pack rat. The last IW, I spent all three of my spirit pots, but still have half spirit tank left when I finished it. I also has one unused mana pots when finished, while my mana tank was full. I suspect I will need five spirit pots if I am to IW the same exquisite in Battletoad but one less mana pot for it. I do try to raise mana by doing focus hocus pocus, but haven't found the right way to do it. Should I do it when the mobs were fresh, so that overcharge drain is minimum? Or, should I do it when they're down to only one monster, minimizing the chance of getting beaten and use cure for that? So far, both approaches were not very successful. I need an advice on this. Turning off spirit stance is viable only for a short time. I don't know how it come to be, but I got beaten when turning it off, and forced to cast cure for the sake of safety. I'm quite satisfied with my stat, but if there's a weakness in it, please do tell. you should max it ASAP since you will get alot of benefit from it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Oct 21 2013, 06:56
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Amaduyu Mitsumi
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You are using shield heavy, that's why you are punished so hard when you stop attacking to focus. Normally you have high block chance so it balances out your low PMI, but when you focus, all avoidance stats are rendered to 0%. There's no more blocking or even evading so the only thing between you and the mobs is your PMI/MMI, which is why having low PMI/MMI really hurts in those cases. If possible, you should change your head, body and leg pieces into Power of Protection or a mix of Slaughter and Plate of Protection. Block bonus from different equips combined into a deceptively small sum, so it's really not worth it to use Shield equips (unless when the block come from prefix; it'd be a boon in those case of course). Also, since you are using tower shield, I think you can sacrifice the parry chance in favor of more damage, which translate into using Slaughter Rapier. I personally prefer a lower mana cost penalty so I'm using Rapier of Balance with Buckler of Barrier. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 21 2013, 11:50)  you should max it ASAP since you will get alot of benefit from it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Leveling up Pack rat gradually is fine. You will grow to be independent on those extra pots sooner than you think. I consistently have like 4/7 mana pots and 3/7 spirit pots left after a PFUDOR T&T run. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) -------------------- Edit: I totally forgot to add more about focusing in the end >.< I focus when all of these things hold true: 1. OC is max/near max. 2. Most of monsters of the round have been defeated; the ones left are not elementals, celestials or daimons OR sprites >.> 3. Mana is not full (duh). When there are like 2 or 3 half-dead monsters left, I'd turn off SS and attack so that the last few hits fill up my OC completely. Not really necessary though. Btw, maxed counter attack chance is very important if you want to be able to focus constantly. Grind dat prof! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by Kagoromo: Oct 21 2013, 07:13
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Oct 21 2013, 07:27
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cruelsion
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QUOTE(Kagoromo @ Oct 21 2013, 06:44)  You may pass if you attach a few reflective panels on your chest piece or something. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Interesting. Even long after the patch I haven't been thinking about Force Shield as a possible upgrade to my current Leg Buckler of Barrier at all. I really doubt the extra block chance would be worth the ridiculous interference... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) And yeah, I just finished clearing PFUDOR arenas up to T&T the other day. Haven't found the time to try at marathon and DwD yet though. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) how much blocking chance does your leg bucker give? my mag force shield of warding gives 36.48% without forging also how much would it cost to buy leg buckler of barrier?
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Oct 21 2013, 07:30
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n125
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 20 2013, 07:28)  why did you bothering with 25k hath perk (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) you need 250M credits to unlock it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) you are not hath baron like stony (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Assuming this was directed at me, I didn't mean that I had unlocked Manhattan Project. I just meant that with it, OFC will still probably suck for mages because skills don't use Magic Base Damage in the damage calculation.
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Oct 21 2013, 07:32
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cruelsion
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Leveling up Pack rat gradually is fine. You will grow to be independent on those extra pots sooner than you think. I consistently have like 4/7 mana pots and 3/7 spirit pots left after a PFUDOR T&T run. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I meant to put above as quote unfortunately you are wrong (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) cuz nobody's daily doing PFUDOR DwD and sometimes hellfest upto round 9 hundred something he needs the extra pots badly (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) i mean PFUDOR T&T to DwD :3 I dont think you have cleared PFUDOR DwD YET you should unlock all pack rat by now -saying just cuz Im planning to train all pack rat by about your level It's very very cheap training and takes only less than 10 seconds to train 3 This post has been edited by cruelsion: Oct 21 2013, 07:38
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Oct 21 2013, 07:37
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Amaduyu Mitsumi
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My Legendary Reinforced Buckler of the Barrier. It's giving me 35.36% block chance at my level. I paid 850kC for it non-forged from chazer's auction. For a reinforced buckler, it's probably a little too pricy, but it does work well with my style. I don't really like extra speed on heavy 1H. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Edit: Yes, I do have Pack rat maxed by now, and I meant to make PFUDOR Trio and the Tree my only example. A few post above I did say that I've found the time to try at the last 3 arenas yet. Anyway, Pack rat is nice, but shouldn't be as crucial as other things that you need to spend credit on, namely equip, equip and equip. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by Kagoromo: Oct 21 2013, 07:45
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Oct 21 2013, 07:59
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cruelsion
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QUOTE(Kagoromo @ Oct 21 2013, 16:37)  My Legendary Reinforced Buckler of the Barrier. It's giving me 35.36% block chance at my level. I paid 850kC for it non-forged from chazer's auction. For a reinforced buckler, it's probably a little too pricy, but it does work well with my style. I don't really like extra speed on heavy 1H. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Edit: Yes, I do have Pack rat maxed by now, and I meant to make PFUDOR Trio and the Tree my only example. A few post above I did say that I've found the time to try at the last 3 arenas yet. Anyway, Pack rat is nice, but shouldn't be as crucial as other things that you need to spend credit on, namely equip, equip and equip. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I dont like extra speed on heavy 1H either (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Edit: You are right on the part that first priority is buying equips but that usually costs so much more credits than training pack rat so I was meant to say that when nobody replied "you should max it ASAP since you will get alot of benefit from it" in order to answer to clarkiest's asking "I do try to raise mana by doing focus hocus pocus, but haven't found the right way to do it. Should I do it when the mobs were fresh, so that overcharge drain is minimum? Or, should I do it when they're down to only one monster, minimizing the chance of getting beaten and use cure for that? So far, both approaches were not very successful. I need an advice on this.", nobody was jusy advicing that if clarky maxes pack rat he wont have to worry about turning on and off and stuff like that. anyway pack rat is really really cheap compared to buying equips - for example I spent more than 2m credits past 2 weeks for few equips, mostly on auctions and I think it worth it, so does the relatively negligible amount of credit that I have spent on pack rat to max it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'm still 2H light user, but when I max my heavy and one hand very soon i can proudly say that I'm one of the knights in shiny armour (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Oct 21 2013, 08:05
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Amaduyu Mitsumi
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I often find myself unintentionally, almost unconsciously use focus to regain mana, even though I don't need it at all as just using potions is already more than enough. It's good macromanagement practice nevertheless I think. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Oct 21 2013, 08:12
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clarkiest
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QUOTE(cruelsion @ Oct 21 2013, 07:32)  I dont think you have cleared PFUDOR DwD YET
Neither do you :) Hahahaha, No, I don't plan to train another pack rat. At least before I get crystarium perks. Chance are, I can work out a play style that independent to pots. Mages can, why can't I? --QUOTE(Kagoromo @ Oct 21 2013, 06:56)  You are using shield heavy, that's why you are punished so hard when you stop attacking to focus. Normally you have high block chance so it balances out your low PMI, but when you focus, all avoidance stats are rendered to 0%. There's no more blocking or even evading so the only thing between you and the mobs is your PMI/MMI, which is why having low PMI/MMI really hurts in those cases.
I thought only evade is nullified when I focus. Clearly, I missed it. Your tips on focusing tricks is awesome, I'll try IW-ing again next weekend. Also, you said 62% PMI is low? God, what's high for my level?? I think I'll hunt for new quips later. For now, I'm quite invincible in arenas :D
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Oct 21 2013, 08:16
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(n125 @ Oct 21 2013, 12:30)  Assuming this was directed at me, I didn't mean that I had unlocked Manhattan Project. I just meant that with it, OFC will still probably suck for mages because skills don't use Magic Base Damage in the damage calculation.
nah , i just reply that for cruelsion (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) @clarkiest i just see your stats , you should find of protection for that 2 shield , but it is kinda hard now since they don't drop anymore (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) but in sick shop there some good shield set ( but expensive ) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) btw , i don't think it is good to use warding since you are rarely doing PFUDOR (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) @cruelsion nah , I have stop doing GF for now ( I need cryst3 first before doing hellfest again ) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) main problem , I'm poor guy (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Oct 21 2013, 08:23
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Oct 21 2013, 08:21
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G-Salat
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Oct 20 2013, 21:19)  e.g. AL 206 + Thinking cap + T&T arena (x2.0) would give you exp * 3.06 * 1.25 * 2.0
so AL 25/300 gets you to the same bonus of thinking cap
(I may be talking crap, as am not accompanying the recent updates closely)
Thats not quite right, since: "Thinking Cap Increases EXP gain by 25%. This increase is applied separately after all other bonuses have been added." Leaving the formula(wiki) aside AL 300(400%) would equal AL 220+TC(320%*1,25=400%). Combining with said formula(if correct) QUOTE roundup(base_exp * (1 + hath_perk_bonus / 100) * (1 + (ap_bonus * stamina_bonus * difficulty_bonus * training_bonus * toplist_bonus * posting_bonus * star_bonus * award_bonus) / 100)) enough other bonuses might even be able to overcompensate all 300 level.
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Oct 21 2013, 08:25
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clarkiest
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 21 2013, 08:16)  btw , i don't think it is good to use warding since you are rarely doing PFUDOR :)
That helmet is full of memories for me. When my daily earning was only 5k of credit, I won it at 40k. It hurts. So I would use it everytime. Well, unless somebody to offer me something substantially better :D
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Oct 21 2013, 08:33
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cruelsion
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QUOTE(Kagoromo @ Oct 21 2013, 17:05)  I often find myself unintentionally, almost unconsciously use focus to regain mana, even though I don't need it at all as just using potions is already more than enough. It's good macromanagement practice nevertheless I think. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) You must be one hand expert seeing how you use focus unconsciously (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) May I ask you a question? I currently have 70.6% PMI 67.7% MMI 0, YEP ZERO EVADE 50.3% BLOCK CHANCE 31.3% PARRY CHANCE 12.6% RESIST CHANCE 107 INTERFERENCE 81.2 BURDEN and haven;t fully learnt HEAVY CRUSH, SLASH and PIERCING ability points I recently learnt to use one handed so I only have 264.33 1H prof. yet 288 heavy prof. Is there anything I should do? I only been using one handed for 2-3 months and never used it b4 so I need your advice if there is anything I'm missing. I personally think my burden and interference is little higher than should be and thinking to use this axe instead of this rapier I'm currently using. Stick with rapier or axe??? I would like to know what weapon you use for your 1H equip set since I'm planning to purchase a better one handed (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Thanks in advace ^^
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Oct 21 2013, 09:15
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Amaduyu Mitsumi
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QUOTE(cruelsion @ Oct 21 2013, 13:33)  You must be one hand expert seeing how you use focus unconsciously (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Nope, that's only because I often play when I'm sleepy. You could say I play HV to lull myself to sleep. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) You have better defensive stats than me already. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Here's my full heavy 1H set: [ Rapier] [ Shield] [ Helmet] [ Armor] [ Gauntlets] [ Leggings] [ Boots] Nothing too amazing, perhaps save for the buckler. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I still haven't made up my mind to upgrade to Slaughter Rapier + Power of Protection or better Balance Rapier + Power of Slaughter yet. The former seems to be better for high level forging later. Though atm I'm pretty content with these and any upgrade would likely cost me an arm and a leg. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You have a nice axe there, but I think it's not suitable for 1H. 1H already suffered from low base attack damage so you need PA proc to kill mobs quickly. The killing speed of rapier is even more important in high difficulty, where you'd have to face crazy strong elementals/celestials/sprites/daimons. You want those bitches dead fast, lest they punch your Spirit shield full of holes with their spell. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Also, 3x PA is almost required if you want your skills to deal any significant amount of damage. (You should keep that axe though because apparently axe + rapier + heavy make up a good DW set as well.) I think your current rapier is also good. Of course if you find a better rapier, don't hesitate to switch. Make sure to go for Slaughter ones with good proc and decent crit. It doesn't have to be an Ethereal imo; the burden and interference of rapier is too meager when compared to the rest of your heavy set. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Bonus stats, yay! This post has been edited by Kagoromo: Oct 21 2013, 09:23
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Oct 21 2013, 09:45
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cruelsion
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QUOTE(Kagoromo @ Oct 21 2013, 18:15)  Nope, that's only because I often play when I'm sleepy. You could say I play HV to lull myself to sleep. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) You have better defensive stats than me already. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Here's my full heavy 1H set: [ Rapier] [ Shield] [ Helmet] [ Armor] [ Gauntlets] [ Leggings] [ Boots] Nothing too amazing, perhaps save for the buckler. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I still haven't made up my mind to upgrade to Slaughter Rapier + Power of Protection or better Balance Rapier + Power of Slaughter yet. The former seems to be better for high level forging later. Though atm I'm pretty content with these and any upgrade would likely cost me an arm and a leg. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You have a nice axe there, but I think it's not suitable for 1H. 1H already suffered from low base attack damage so you need PA proc to kill mobs quickly. The killing speed of rapier is even more important in high difficulty, where you'd have to face crazy strong elementals/celestials/sprites/daimons. You want those bitches dead fast, lest they punch your Spirit shield full of holes with their spell. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Also, 3x PA is almost required if you want your skills to deal any significant amount of damage. (You should keep that axe though because apparently axe + rapier + heavy make up a good DW set as well.) I think your current rapier is also good. Of course if you find a better rapier, don't hesitate to switch. Make sure to go for Slaughter ones with good proc and decent crit. It doesn't have to be an Ethereal imo; the burden and interference of rapier is too meager when compared to the rest of your heavy set. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Bonus stats, yay!  I think I have to use ethereal cuz I have more burden than you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Thanks for posting your equipment! I use one power of slaughter and rest shielding plat and I think that's quite similar to yours though I will have much lesser dmg than using more powers (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) So I'll stick with rapier (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I have been wondering whether I deal more dmg with the axe because if I'll have more dmg with axe, then I may somehow do more dmg with my counter attacking and bleeding which are main source of dmg if I fight under hell difficulty. Btw celestials are amazing, when i was DW and fighting with few mobs in PFUDOR, I made sure I put sleep to a certain celestial mob that dodged my silence, it work itself up from my bleeding dmg and killed me one shot when i was wearing full power set (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Also, you are using rapier of balance for a reason? just curious (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Oct 21 2013, 11:22
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zanky
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 21 2013, 13:16)  @nobody_xxx then, you just need to become rich guy in real life (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). it's simple solution, right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i'll gone again for a couple of weeks so please PM me for something important (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Oct 21 2013, 11:35
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Amaduyu Mitsumi
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I used to wear full plates so I thought I needed Balance to compensate for the lack of bonus attack accuracy that power would have offered. It's kinda redundant now though; 1H already has Overwhelming Strikes proc which add a flat 50% accuracy bonus so we should only need to reach 150% accuracy in order to bypass mobs' evasion. 1H is quite nice in that aspect: Once we have a few OverStrikes stacks up, the dreaded parry upgrade of high level mobs become nonfactor. Since 0.77 stunned mobs also can't parry anymore, which is just icing on the cake. I'm still keeping my eyes out for auctions to find a new upgrade to my rapier, but I don't feel any more compelled to replace it than other parts of my set. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I got my rapier from an auction of T_Starrk. There was another Ethereal Balance, but it was maxed and had a bunch of forging too, so I did not envision me winning that (and indeed, it went for 2.75mC (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ). Instead I went for the second best option there, the Mag Shocking Rapier of Balance. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Oct 21 2013, 11:44
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habbababba31
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QUOTE(Kagoromo @ Oct 21 2013, 07:37)  My Legendary Reinforced Buckler of the Barrier. It's giving me 35.36% block chance at my level. How does that have 103 pxp at level 0? It should have 200 rounds for IW... Does reforging leave some PXP left over or something?
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