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post Oct 5 2013, 05:54
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I think it's better using leather for now , wait till 200+ to use shade (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
( you have SS ability and higher EVA from stats & gear scaling ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Use club for mainhand , you need stun for high difficulty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Use axe if you have full set leg shade that forged alot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Oct 5 2013, 06:12
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QUOTE(zanky @ Oct 4 2013, 20:01) *

you can already beat it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Beat what? Did you forget that about a week ago, I asked the forum why you, 8 levels below me can clear FSM in PFUDOR and gain nearly 1/3 more experience points than myself? Turned out that my Adept Learner level is only at about 1/3 of yours. Will I try TTT in PFUDOR? Nope, not a chance! It took me more than a month to get 5 ToB to try FSM and it's more profitable to do FSM twice than it is to do TTT once. I have 2 ToB so far, by the time I gather 5 of them I should have another Axe levelled to try FSM with it, should be interesting to compare how it will perform compared to the present axe.


QUOTE(XMike @ Oct 4 2013, 20:10) *

When I stopped playing this game, IWBTH FSM was the highest ROB available. I beat the PFUDOR FSM but there's more monsters in TTT so it's hard to predict how it'll go on PFUDOR difficulty. I'm also short on ToBs so I don't exactly have the luxury of gambling them carelessly.


Sorry, you had to be a returnee to the HV. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) As I've said above, I'd rather do 2 FSM than 1 TTT because it's more profitable and besides, I don't see RoB as a barometer of any sort because it's a one round slugfest where you you can use all of the potions available in your arsenal. Doing the marathons on the other hand requires some semblance of strategy, though for someone like Nobody_xxx doing DwD is probably just a walk in the park.
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post Oct 5 2013, 06:17
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QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Oct 5 2013, 05:53) *

You're like a parrot, you always say the same thing.


Because I always answer the same question (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Oct 5 2013, 06:17
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post Oct 5 2013, 06:57
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- Katanas now have slightly higher +damage [30,50] and +attack accuracy [15, 35], lower +burden [40,20], and higher +DEX [12,25] and +AGI [4,10].



How do I interpret this [30,50]?
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post Oct 5 2013, 06:58
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Oct 5 2013, 11:12) *

Beat what? Did you forget that about a week ago, I asked the forum why you, 8 levels below me can clear FSM in PFUDOR and gain nearly 1/3 more experience points than myself? Turned out that my Adept Learner level is only at about 1/3 of yours. Will I try TTT in PFUDOR? Nope, not a chance! It took me more than a month to get 5 ToB to try FSM and it's more profitable to do FSM twice than it is to do TTT once. I have 2 ToB so far, by the time I gather 5 of them I should have another Axe levelled to try FSM with it, should be interesting to compare how it will perform compared to the present axe.

i just want to know other ppl near my lvl can do it yet or not. so i can calculate when i can beat that

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How do I interpret this [30,50]?

maybe, 30(old) 50(now)

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post Oct 5 2013, 07:13
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^ nope.
I'll edit this post in a minute, please wait.

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as a start, you can open this page.
There you'll see category damage has base roll of [25,47]. 25 being the minimum while 47 being the maximum. The actual damage of the weapon at level 0 is dependent on fluctuation value, in this regard, it was 0.854. Therefore, if you're unlucky enough to get katana with 25 damage roll, your damage would be 25*0.854 = 21.35 at level 0. The exquisite will get 5% bonus stat, magnifishit will get 10%, legen-barney-dary 15%, and peerless 20%, whatever kind of stat your equipment has.

Patch note of 0.77 says katana will improve it's damage roll to [30,50]. Assuming the fluctuation value stay the same, the max damage of new non-slaughter katana would be 50*0.854 (please calculate this yourself).

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post Oct 5 2013, 07:17
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I try do PFUDOR in IW. damn it;s so hard, i'm not last long in PFUDOR. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
wave 23 and I run away (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Oct 5 2013, 07:28
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Oct 5 2013, 04:57) *

How do I interpret this [30,50]?


I think it is Base rolls of [Min, Max]
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges
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post Oct 5 2013, 07:33
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QUOTE(zanky @ Oct 5 2013, 05:17) *

I try do PFUDOR in IW. damn it;s so hard, i'm not last long in PFUDOR. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
wave 23 and I run away (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


If IW run on PFUDOR gives more pxp than IWBTH (for example, x10.9 pxp) I would try it.
But they have same x7.8 pxp... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
We can finish IW work with just 8~9 runs if IW run on PFUDOR provides x10.9 pxp (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Oct 5 2013, 07:43
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QUOTE(erwtsnert @ Oct 5 2013, 12:17) *

Because I always answer the same question (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I think you will become Maximum_Joe soon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(zanky @ Oct 5 2013, 13:17) *

I try do PFUDOR in IW. damn it;s so hard, i'm not last long in PFUDOR. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
wave 23 and I run away (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

In the old day when BT have 5x PXP and IWBTH have 10x PXP, it is worth to IW on the highest difficulty.
Currently, IWBTH do not give double PXP but it require much more attention make it not worth IMO.
PFUDOR.......anyone really IW in PFUDOR ?

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post Oct 5 2013, 07:46
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Oct 5 2013, 12:33) *

If IW run on PFUDOR gives more pxp than IWBTH (for example, x10.9 pxp) I would try it.
But they have same x7.8 pxp... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
We can finish IW work with just 8~9 runs if IW run on PFUDOR provides x10.9 pxp (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

yeah. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

btw i wonder why we just got 7.8 PxP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

we got x20 exp when do PFUDOR(IWTB just x15) but why pxp PFUDOR same with IWTB (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

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post Oct 5 2013, 07:51
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QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 4 2013, 22:43) *

I think you will become Maximum_Joe soon.


Yes, but erwtsnert's answers are more pleasant and easier to understand than Mr Friday. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 5 2013, 07:58
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QUOTE(zanky @ Oct 5 2013, 05:46) *

yeah. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

btw i wonder why we just got 7.8 PxP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

we got x20 exp when do PFUDOR(IWTB just x15) but why pxp PFUDOR same with IWTB (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

I had run IW on PFUDOR once, but it did not take much longer than IWBTH.
The clear time is almost same with IWBTH, because monsters' HP is also same.

Running on PFUDOR needs more potions and more concentration, of course.
It totally exhausted me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'll never run IW again on PFUDOR. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Oct 5 2013, 07:59
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QUOTE(Colman @ Oct 5 2013, 12:43) *

In the old day when BT have 5x PXP and IWBTH have 10x PXP, it is worth to IW on the highest difficulty.
Currently, IWBTH do not give double PXP but it require much more attention make it not worth IMO.
PFUDOR.......anyone really IW in PFUDOR ?

if it give high pxp i'll consider it.

I just want to try IW in PFUDOR (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

how much trouble i get when i do that.

23 wave is enough for test run (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Oct 5 2013, 08:00
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Oct 5 2013, 12:58) *

Running on PFUDOR needs more potions and more concentration, of course.
It totally exhausted me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

this the main reason, I run away (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Oct 5 2013, 08:01
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Oct 4 2013, 22:13) *

^ nope.
I'll edit this post in a minute, please wait.

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as a start, you can open this page.
There you'll see category damage has base roll of [25,47]. 25 being the minimum while 47 being the maximum. The actual damage of the weapon at level 0 is dependent on fluctuation value, in this regard, it was 0.854. Therefore, if you're unlucky enough to get katana with 25 damage roll, your damage would be 25*0.854 = 21.35 at level 0. The exquisite will get 5% bonus stat, magnifishit will get 10%, legen-barney-dary 15%, and peerless 20%, whatever kind of stat your equipment has.

Patch note of 0.77 says katana will improve it's damage roll to [30,50]. Assuming the fluctuation value stay the same, the max damage of new non-slaughter katana would be 50*0.854 (please calculate this yourself).


QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Oct 4 2013, 22:28) *

I think it is Base rolls of [Min, Max]
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges


Thanks Professor Clark and Cats Lover. The Base rolls listed in the HV Wiki, would that be the old or the new (post v0.77)? I am trying to find out how much the new Katana were improved and whether the said improvement has made the old Katana (pre v0.77) obsolete or not.
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post Oct 5 2013, 08:06
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Almost all data in the equipment ranges section is still old, but the new katana are making the old ones obsolete. Not only is the damage higher, the PAB rolls and accuracy are also better. It might take awhile before good "new" katanas will pop up though.
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post Oct 5 2013, 08:10
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Finally, after hearing about it a few times, an equipment without any pab has dropped for me in RE: Superior Buckler of Battlecaster Nearly 20% Mana Conservation on a piece of shaite like this... mind boggles.
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post Oct 5 2013, 08:18
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QUOTE(erwtsnert @ Oct 4 2013, 23:06) *

Almost all data in the equipment ranges section is still old, but the new katana are making the old ones obsolete. Not only is the damage higher, the PAB rolls and accuracy are also better. It might take awhile before good "new" katanas will pop up though.


Thanks, I guess I should refrain from buying anymore Katana for now.

Sorry to hear about you being scammed, who would have thought that anyone would be pathetic enough to pull off a crap like that?
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