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post Sep 29 2013, 07:52
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Sep 29 2013, 08:51) *

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I actually got problem with 2H, I can't blast through arena at Nightmare. But I guess I'll ask some advice after I figure out what caused the problem myself.



lack of PMI and damage , i think (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)




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well heavy and shade don't have that much difference if you just playing arena ( shade alot better in DwD / marathons due to very high evade and atk speed while in lower arenas power wins in killing speed / slaughter rules ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

shade have low interference too , and that make a huge difference with power since i need alot of focus spam in DwD (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

the difference will become high in GF at high difficulty ( power slaughter will only go half as far shade of fleet / SD can reach ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

well , I can reach 500 rounds IWBTHfest with my power of protection (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

while slaughter set is very hard to reach 300 rounds (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)



if you ask what make heavy worst , it begins when T remove burden reducing prof and godslayers burden reducing bonus (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

i forgot at what patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)


last , power now very depending on feather for IW , DwD and GF (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Sep 29 2013, 07:56
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Isn't it only in PFUDOR? Mobs stat doesn't have fundamental change, and character defense only have resist mechanic changed. I guess it tell us light is superior when the mobs aggressiveness is to be cranked up a bit.
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post Sep 29 2013, 08:02
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Sep 29 2013, 13:56) *

Isn't it only in PFUDOR? Mobs stat doesn't have fundamental change, and character defense only have resist mechanic changed. I guess it tell us light is superior when the mobs aggressiveness is to be cranked up a bit.

what you use for your 2H set , clark (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Sep 29 2013, 08:08
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@clarkiest

somebody tell me he become mightier and can hunt easier when he reach higher lvl.
and now i also tell you that. I also fell unable to beat arena above nightmare when 222 but i can beat IWTB T&T when 243.
for now, why not you just lvling your lvl first. after you reach 250, i'm sure you can beat PFUDOR T&T. if not, at least you can in IWTB. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

and personally i think your lvl just dont high enough now.

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post Sep 29 2013, 09:11
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Sep 29 2013, 08:02) *

what you use for your 2H set , clark (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I was replying to SPoison. I guess it's kinda hard to type fast on mobile your response is already there when I press the submit button.

btw, my quips are some lame-o power armor to accompany a mace or an estoc.
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post Sep 29 2013, 09:25
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Sep 29 2013, 14:11) *

I was replying to SPoison. I guess it's kinda hard to type fast on mobile your response is already there when I press the submit button.

btw, my quips are some lame-o power armor to accompany a mace or an estoc.

don't use estoc if you cannot survive , stick with mace (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Sep 29 2013, 09:26
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QUOTE(zanky @ Sep 28 2013, 21:52) *

@solarhawk i got problem in term of damage. when go to PFUDOR, i'm not strong enough to take damage from monster.
At least it happen now and because my equip also not really good.

hmmm for me fire or ice spike will more help than using wind or storm. well, different ppl got different problem. btw ppl, just don't use fire like i talk about But use what you most needed. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


That's exactly why I said the same thing everyone else says. Pick one you like, but it doesn't mean that those strengths or advantages it gives you play a significant role. I was just explaining which situation would gain the most benefit from each spike element.

QUOTE(SPoison @ Sep 28 2013, 22:19) *

I am assuming that everyone agrees that now light is better than heavy. I have a few questions. I try to play PFUDOR whenever I can and know that heavy takes a beating compared to light but my question is this: Is light overall better than heavy or is it just better to its counterparts? Meaning Leather is better than Plate and Shade is better than Power?

Also, what is the main things that make heavy worse for this patch?


I wouldn't say that light is better than heavy. It's still situational and still to each person's preference. 0.77 did change things that sway things a bit more towards light rather than heavy, but if you were to use 1h, heavy is still the prime choice. The reason (I believe) is due to how much more often monsters use their specials in PFUDOR. With light armor your primary defense is evasion and parry, which seems to scale slightly better against the attacks when compared to heavy's PMI approach. It's just how things scale up. For the record, using light and DW, I got creamed a couple times on PFUDOR before I got used to what to expect and adjusted my playstyle a little. Heavy is still feasible though, like nobody_xxx said. Oh, and probably the interference portion meaning you burn through mana faster on PFUDOR for heavy. Just another thing to compensate for.
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post Sep 29 2013, 09:34
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@Solarhawk,

Your new avatar is simply too dazzling. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) What are you playing these days with your newly minted club? Don't tell me you are still limiting yourself to RE and low level IWBTH/PFUDOR? Please tell/show us your progress in the Arena.
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post Sep 29 2013, 10:09
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double post with a bit of delay,
nevermind this one.

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post Sep 29 2013, 10:10
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ppl got different circumtance. it's better to leave it untouched.

@Solarhawk sorry i'm to late to notice that. thanks for explain thing. i bad at that

@SPoison it's depend what you use. like 1H with heavy will be more better than with light

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post Sep 29 2013, 10:15
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ Sep 29 2013, 09:34) *
Your new avatar is simply too dazzling. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) What are you playing these days with your newly minted club? Don't tell me you are still limiting yourself to RE and low level IWBTH/PFUDOR? Please tell/show us your progress in the Arena.

Actually, the one who's limiting himself to pfudor hourlies is me.

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but my limbs, my body, and my head, all powerfully covered.
survive is easy, blasting through is not.
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post Sep 29 2013, 10:24
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Sep 29 2013, 12:52) *

if you ask what make heavy worst , it begins when T remove burden reducing prof and godslayers burden reducing bonus (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


I have this theory that the +Crit dmg bonus Tenb added to power armor is because he seem to realized that, as always, he went a little bit too far with the nerfing of X and buffing of Y, and so he add Z to X so that people who use X won't be too mad this time around... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Sep 29 2013, 10:30
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QUOTE(buktore @ Sep 29 2013, 15:24) *

I have this theory that the +Crit dmg bonus Tenb added to power armor is because he seem to realized that, as always, he went a little bit too far with the nerfing of X and buffing of Y, and so he add Z to X so that people who use X won't be too mad this time around... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

you use alot of X and Y lately , buktore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I prefer burden reducing than crit damage + (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)



@clark

you lack of PMI to survive , don't use alot of slaughter in your gear set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)




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post Sep 29 2013, 10:35
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What I posted there is my fun 2H set: for some blasting.
I have pfudor-only DW set, turtle 2H set, 1H set, and a mjolnir set (but doesn't have the AP).
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QUOTE(buktore @ Sep 29 2013, 10:24) *
I have this theory that the +Crit dmg bonus Tenb added to power armor is because he seem to realized that, as always, he went a little bit too far with the nerfing of X and buffing of Y, and so he add Z to X so that people who use X won't be too mad this time around... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

You know what, I'm actually pretty happy with the new potency bonus. But leaving shield without barrier suffix (while I have yet got a decent one) is still feel sour. I will have no problem if I already have a good shield. (hehehe)

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post Sep 29 2013, 11:10
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Sep 29 2013, 15:30) *

you use alot of X and Y lately , buktore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


I didn't want people to get the impression that I have a view or saying that certain equip type is better than the other and whatnot when I'm merely talking/speculating about what the boss are up to.

It also has an added bonus of making me look more sophisticated than I actually am, so yeah... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


@ clarkiest

The new +crit dmg bonus potency on weapon is cool. The new native +crit dmg bonus stat on power armor is ... meh.

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post Sep 29 2013, 11:22
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How can i calculate the value of an equipment? Okay, i'll search for something similar on the forum, but anything else that help?
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QUOTE(Annsomni @ Sep 29 2013, 11:22) *
How can i calculate the value of an equipment? Okay, i'll search for something similar on the forum, but anything else that help?

Value? Did you mean price?
Value is in the eye of beholder. Price, in the other hand, not one of us know.

Just sell your items/equipments at arbitrary price point, if it sell then it's good. If it doesn't, it might be too expensive.

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post Sep 29 2013, 11:41
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Sep 29 2013, 09:30) *

Value? Did you mean price?
Value is in the eye of beholder. Price, in the other hand, not one of us know.

Just sell your items/equipments at arbitrary price point, if it sell then it's good. If it doesn't, it might be too expensive.


yep, price... sorry about that (English is not my native language, sometime (so many times) i'll make mistakes)
Thanks, So I can only hope that someone buy it on a certain price
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post Sep 29 2013, 11:42
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QUOTE(Annsomni @ Sep 29 2013, 16:22) *

How can i calculate the value of an equipment? Okay, i'll search for something similar on the forum, but anything else that help?

this 2 will help you if you know how to use it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=72877
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=96543

or [userscripts.org] this
Allows to compare pieces of equipment.

Hover over an item (so the stats popup shows up) and press:
Q to compare it against the one equipped on the matching slot
W to show base values (scaled to level 0)
E to compare base values
R to open the Range page and highlight relevant stuff.

and like clarkiest said, sell it with your base price. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) . . . . . . . . . (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
just do what he said. and learn about Link i give U
. . . . (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

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post Sep 29 2013, 12:04
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QUOTE(Annsomni @ Sep 29 2013, 11:41) *
yep, price... sorry about that (English is not my native language, sometime (so many times) i'll make mistakes)
Thanks, So I can only hope that someone buy it on a certain price

I'm also sorry about that, my education disciplined me on some term usage. If I'm not educated in economic science, I will also equalize price and value, as I am just like you, not a native English speaker.

Script pointed by zanky is a neat tool. But I did a study on price (bottled water), that 5% difference can make huge difference in perception, leading to un-ignorable difference in total sales. Here, you'll find that 1000c for voidseeker shard is still expensive now, but at 900c, it suddenly feel cheap. 100c is really nothing, right? Item bots are bidding at 800, I did little experiment few hours ago and I can crank up the other's bidding price to 900. (I bid it at 750c now though, since I don't really need it).

In short, put price on your equipment as you like it.
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