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post Sep 7 2013, 07:07
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QUOTE(Lement @ Sep 6 2013, 19:16) *

Not useless- I maxed on my staff to, say, double meleeing damage on undeads and giants is pretty nice when trying to stretch mana.



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post Sep 7 2013, 07:37
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Thanks for the comprehensive answer Eramosat. Laughably the highest quality 2 handed weapons I have are a pair of Exquisite Longswords so I guess I'll work with them.

Also laughably the Axe I was grinding for my 1handed use just to reach Hollowforged? Snowflake decided to drop the same quality, prefix and suffix item. And, with my foolish leveling and even more foolish upgrading? it's a butcher level or two from being consistently better all-around.

So I suppose my plan is to delve into item world on the second axe using my Longswords, hope I find a rapier, and then... I suppose mill through that. Or at some point before or after switching to Dual, start to grind my armor up. Anyway I'm sure hitting 250 in the middle of this, and taking the top skills for those styles will make the sub 100 proficiency a bit easier.
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post Sep 7 2013, 07:58
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Based on your experience, until what level mobs feel tougher and you losing your might?
Also at what level the contrary start to happen?

Just finished hourly on IWBTH, only 7 mobs, but I feel that they're very tough.
It is unusual for 7 mobs to drag me to 90th round.
(It is usual for 10 mobs to kill me twice; thank god SoL works wonder)

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post Sep 7 2013, 08:04
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That depends entirely on your gear. "Better gear" = longer you'll be superior to the monsters.
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post Sep 7 2013, 09:11
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I've been neglecting IW and forge because I don't want to do any of that until I have a weapon I won't be throwing away, is there any reason to do these things?

My mind has been on IW just to upgrade my current stuff without having to forge...but not doing that yet.
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post Sep 7 2013, 09:20
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QUOTE(SPoison @ Sep 7 2013, 14:11) *

I've been neglecting IW and forge because I don't want to do any of that until I have a weapon I won't be throwing away, is there any reason to do these things?

My mind has been on IW just to upgrade my current stuff without having to forge...but not doing that yet.


why not.you can always do that.Just increase equipment potenci on IW will help a lot when hunt on arena or GF. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Sep 7 2013, 09:23
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doing IW is extremely boring for me even i can finish IWBTH Legendary IW without any problem (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

that why alot of player sometimes just use IW service even they capable to IW it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Sep 7 2013, 09:28
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Sep 7 2013, 14:23) *

doing IW is extremely boring for me even i can finish IWBTH Legendary IW without any problem (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

that why alot of player sometimes just use IW service even they capable to IW it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

i also feel the same way. indeed it's boring (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
i to lazy go to IW even if i can do it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Sep 7 2013, 09:42
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QUOTE(SPoison @ Sep 7 2013, 01:11) *

I've been neglecting IW and forge because I don't want to do any of that until I have a weapon I won't be throwing away, is there any reason to do these things?

My mind has been on IW just to upgrade my current stuff without having to forge...but not doing that yet.

If you mage, IW for that economizer. If you melee, IW for the elemental strike/hollowforged. Assuming you'll use the weapon for a good 100+ levels.
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post Sep 7 2013, 09:43
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I wouldn't mind the Item World at all if it weren't for the mostly random nature of potencies.
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post Sep 7 2013, 09:45
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QUOTE(zanky @ Sep 7 2013, 14:28) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

i also feel the same way. indeed it's boring (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
i to lazy go to IW even if i can do it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


i don't think IW run is worthy if you do it at nintendo below , coz time consume (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


@n125

the easier potency in 4PAB 1H weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

5BC and 4SS or vice versa (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Sep 7 2013, 09:51
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QUOTE(7724he @ Sep 6 2013, 08:19) *

These are my stats and equipment, tell me if you notice something wrong.


Staff's fine, though I would think twice about sinking enormous piles of mats into it. I used a similar staff for over 100 levels and it served me well for quite some time (using Arctic Destruction now). Look for a Fiery Surtr or Fiery Destruction staff as far as endgame weapons go. Your phase can use some work, but I don't believe that it is the problem (or at least, it would have you doing BT rather than IWBTH instead of Hell rather than IWBTH).

If you don't have Pack Rat topped off, consider doing so. More Heroic Mana Pots means more sustainability.

As far as abilities go, I see you've got the HP/MP/SP tank and cloth MP tank abilities already (and I can only presume you've maxed Conflagration/Sorcery/Elementalism/Archmage). If you don't have the potion improvement abilities for the pots you use, get them. Better Mana Pots makes pots heal a lot more. Get all the boosts for the supportive spells you use (which should be basically all of them to mage IWBTH, except maybe Absorb), if you don't already have them, and if you've got spare mastery points get Shocking Spike Shield (the elec proc buffs Fire spells).

But most importantly, you aren't Imperiling enough to play IWBTH, or your Deprecating wouldn't be 33. You absolutely need both Better and Faster Imperil as high as you can get them and you should throw them at anything that won't die nice and quickly. I start probably 90%+ of rounds with an Imperil (the rest are pure trash mob rounds that will mostly die to T2+T3). Probably 30% of rounds end up with everything Imperiled, and that will go up dramatically once I hit 310 and can spam it 0 CD.

Whenever you finish an arena with more than half your pots left, try it one difficulty up next time, and keep doing it there until you once again clear it with more than half your pots. You'll get used to the mobs on BT/IWBTH pretty soon if you aren't already familiar with the bastards.

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@n125

the easier potency in 4PAB 1H weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

5BC and 4SS or vice versa (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Mages don't have that luxury, unfortunately. Tenboro's called IW Potencies perhaps his greatest troll for a reason. . .

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post Sep 7 2013, 10:02
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This is second-hand information since I wasn't there to read it myself, but wasn't it said in IRC that the PAB potencies will eventually be replaced with new and different potencies?

(Not retroactive, I presume...)
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post Sep 7 2013, 10:07
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Sep 7 2013, 14:45) *

i don't think IW run is worthy if you do it at nintendo below , coz time consume (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

that's so? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
i'm glad you point it out (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
well i don't do IW for long period of time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) i just clear arena recently (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Sep 7 2013, 14:45) *

5BC and 4SS or vice versa (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

what
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5BC and 4SS or vice versa (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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butcher and swift strike?

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post Sep 7 2013, 10:07
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@n125: Yes. 1h isn't sufficiently trolled, as well as any mage who has staff with both INT and WIS.

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post Sep 7 2013, 10:30
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The new staff potencies can't be as undesirable as Agility and Endurance... I'll go out on a limb and say they'll be replaced by Cast Speed and Crit Damage.
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post Sep 7 2013, 11:52
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Sure can: 5 END is still better than hollowforged in terms of advantage, and hollowforged is the most powerful meleeing potency, so all other will be weaker by proxy.
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post Sep 7 2013, 12:30
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I'm a heavy melee, but the new upgrade is making it very though for new players like us. (seldom win in IW)
I'm thinking of switching myself to mage, how should I set my AP, skills?
Some said playing in mage, can level up faster in the new version as the benefit of melee is decreasing. Is that true?
I find it hard to last in series of fights, even if I am full arm with 3HP godly potion & 2MP godly potion...
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post Sep 7 2013, 13:03
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QUOTE(Freedom2000 @ Sep 7 2013, 18:30) *

I'm a heavy melee, but the new upgrade is making it very though for new players like us. (seldom win in IW)
I'm thinking of switching myself to mage, how should I set my AP, skills?
Some said playing in mage, can level up faster in the new version as the benefit of melee is decreasing. Is that true?
I find it hard to last in series of fights, even if I am full arm with 3HP godly potion & 2MP godly potion...


your level is just too low...
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post Sep 7 2013, 13:22
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STR: 235+150+3
DEX: 225+70+7
AGI: 225+0+3
END: 235+140+5
INT: 180+0+5
WIS: 225+0+7


Should I lower INT even more ?
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