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post Sep 3 2013, 07:10
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Sep 3 2013, 06:24) *

amnesia shard remove item world potency , not forging item (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

So the wiki's wrong about that alltogether? Or was I reading that wrong? Instead of being a reset to the innate abilities, it's a reset to the new ones? Like this a mechanic where if leveling in Item World give the item another domain to upgrade, the domain vanishes with that level and only appears again if leveling up readds that domain?

So as to prevent you from getting an Legendary Ethereal Sword to level 10, gaining a Wind Strike and upgrading its wind spell power. Only to delete the base value by starting over to try to gain an array of elemental spell buffs for whatever min-maxing reason someone may think its a good idea to do so?
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post Sep 3 2013, 07:14
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About 2 weeks ago, I cleared Sealed Power in IWBTH without much trouble. Prior to that, I had cleared Exile in IWBTH before Lv250 and I barely squeaked that one out, using up every potion I started with. Starting Last Sunday Aug 25, I decided to try clear the next Arena levels after Sealed Power and go as far as I can. As of Sunday Sept 1, I had cleared up to End of Days and finally today for the first time, I'd managed to complete a short (115) IW run in IWBTH (just barely). Both of them took a very long time to complete, but I did it! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

In the span of 9 days, I've seen my ADB rise more than 50 points, with small but noticeable rise in the hit chance and the crit chance as well. I've never seen my ADB rise so much so quickly - not complaining about the gains but this can't be the norm, is it? Now I have to start training LotD and Scavenger, if I want to see better than Fine and Superior drops. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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post Sep 3 2013, 07:41
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QUOTE(eramosat @ Sep 3 2013, 00:02) *

Also. You're not shallow for naming monsters after your ex-girlfriend. And if you want to try commission sales for a living, why not? I couldn't do it but many people do...it can't hurt to try it out. If it doesn't work out, then stop. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



Oh you answered all of my questions, even my joke questions, I love you now.

Well there was one question I didn't see answered, about wakizashi/dagger inherent haste bonuses? So a wakizashi of haste would be like moar haste than a shortsword of haste? Or maybe even a wakizashi of not-haste is equal to a something else of haste? I can't even find the wiki article that mentions this anymore to try re-reading it.

Also I have 2 more that...the wiki didn't answer, or at least not on the page I looked at just now, what are the differences between the tiers? Scythe is a tier 3 but I see lots of chatter about estocs, which are t2, by the same regard even comparable wakis which are tier 3, have not been more impressive than shortsword/other.

My other question is on monsters, since you mentioned it, I have my monster around level...50? I've put some crystals and chaos tokens into it, and it is fed and moraled and everything, but it hasn't gotten me a single item. In fact it's stats page says it's never gotten a kill/victory.

I wouldn't be shocked if my monster just sucked, but I am also concerned that maybe I have to turn it 'on' somehow, other than just making it? Like maybe it isn't even participating in battles yet?

Oh one more, tho this one is not so much a question, wtf@monster stat costs?! Boosting a primary stat like 3 times skyrockets it up to 400 crystals? It's like 50, 194, 3489 wtf? o.0
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post Sep 3 2013, 07:45
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QUOTE(dragonandon @ Sep 2 2013, 22:10) *

So the wiki's wrong about that alltogether? Or was I reading that wrong? Instead of being a reset to the innate abilities, it's a reset to the new ones? Like this a mechanic where if leveling in Item World give the item another domain to upgrade, the domain vanishes with that level and only appears again if leveling up readds that domain?

So as to prevent you from getting an Legendary Ethereal Sword to level 10, gaining a Wind Strike and upgrading its wind spell power. Only to delete the base value by starting over to try to gain an array of elemental spell buffs for whatever min-maxing reason someone may think its a good idea to do so?


My understanding of levelling an equipment to reveal it's potency is limited but let me give it a shot why someone might want to reset and restart.

If you start with a weapon (could be any equipment) that has only 3pab, the chances of getting the 4th PA is very high. There's only 10 levels and if you end up with PA-Lv5, there are only 5 levels left to discover other more valuable potency. For a weapon, I believe the ideal would be to end up with Lv4 and/or 5 of Butcher and/or Swift Strike but having lost 5 levels of potency to PA-Lv5, it just won't be possible. For the player who thinks the particular weapon he or she is levelling is the 'must have' equipment, using the Amnesia shards to reset and to try again to gain only the potency that the player desires could be a very attractive option.
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post Sep 3 2013, 07:55
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QUOTE(Megafauna Blitzkrieg @ Sep 3 2013, 12:41) *

Oh you answered all of my questions, even my joke questions, I love you now.

Well there was one question I didn't see answered, about wakizashi/dagger inherent haste bonuses? So a wakizashi of haste would be like moar haste than a shortsword of haste? Or maybe even a wakizashi of not-haste is equal to a something else of haste? I can't even find the wiki article that mentions this anymore to try re-reading it.

Also I have 2 more that...the wiki didn't answer, or at least not on the page I looked at just now, what are the differences between the tiers? Scythe is a tier 3 but I see lots of chatter about estocs, which are t2, by the same regard even comparable wakis which are tier 3, have not been more impressive than shortsword/other.

My other question is on monsters, since you mentioned it, I have my monster around level...50? I've put some crystals and chaos tokens into it, and it is fed and moraled and everything, but it hasn't gotten me a single item. In fact it's stats page says it's never gotten a kill/victory.

I wouldn't be shocked if my monster just sucked, but I am also concerned that maybe I have to turn it 'on' somehow, other than just making it? Like maybe it isn't even participating in battles yet?

Oh one more, tho this one is not so much a question, wtf@monster stat costs?! Boosting a primary stat like 3 times skyrockets it up to 400 crystals? It's like 50, 194, 3489 wtf? o.0


you need learn more about HV.
for 1H, valuable weapon is club or rapier. not wakisazi.because club can stun monster and rapier can penetrated afmor monster.
monster bring a give about few day(around 3 days).well if you have 50 then den't expect much from that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) you can seacrh in this threat. it explained before.

for your lvl now,it's best if you use scythe. but for higher player estoc more valuable because it can penetrate armor monster.penetrate armor can lower defend. good point about scythe is high crit
read this http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment
increase your monmster sloly because it will cost you very much just to maintanance 1.read wiki about raising monster
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab

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And about depre magic, i recomended to get it.It's really usefull. and it's better if you increase some depre magic compare to elemental magic
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I also recomended ppl who not clear it yet to use weaken and emperil.if you don't get it yet,try to get it.i need 1434 turn to beat it without those. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Damn It's very long (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
QUOTE(zanky @ Aug 30 2013, 11:20) *

I just can give rough example:
Like imperil which can lower monster defend.
say it can lower 30% deffend.
Are you aware how much different if you cast imperil on monster?
even it can only lower about just 10%. it help a lot.just say i can deal 5000 damage.with imperil i can deal 5500 damage.
i need 1434 turn to defeat those spageti monster.
Are you aware how much different 1434*5000 and 1434*5500?
and now after i use rapier to get some penetrated armor effect(kinda like imperil) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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it save me 1000 turn. well my main weapon also change to ethereal (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
In the end it's you to decide to learn depre or not.
actualy my depre is 2 right now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) i wait to 250 to increase depre prof


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post Sep 3 2013, 08:01
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I really do want to thank you, and I suppose everyone that's replied to me in this thread for trying to explain things to me Zen.

But my question isn't what reforging does to item potency gained from Item World. I feel like I understood that mechanic well enough from reading the wiki pages; reforging rests the items level so you have a chance to reroll. My question was specifically about the entry on the wiki that refers to reforging making Forged upgrades, not Item World's potency upgrades, latent.
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post Sep 3 2013, 08:02
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QUOTE(remiru @ Sep 3 2013, 12:30) *

pmi lmax-0.2 (but warding ..no protection (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) )
str lmax
end lmax
dex mmax-0.3

This Item
I got a mail A user : suggest price.

and I want sell but i don't know correct price.

please tell me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

5-10k.

QUOTE(dragonandon @ Sep 3 2013, 16:01) *

I really do want to thank you, and I suppose everyone that's replied to me in this thread for trying to explain things to me Zen.

But my question isn't what reforging does to item potency gained from Item World. I feel like I understood that mechanic well enough from reading the wiki pages; reforging rests the items level so you have a chance to reroll. My question was specifically about the entry on the wiki that refers to reforging making Forged upgrades, not Item World's potency upgrades, latent.

Amnesia shards reset your equipment's LVL/PXP so you can try again for the potencies you want, it does not affect upgrades done in the forge.





@ zen_zen post your stats i want to see how similar we are.

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post Sep 3 2013, 08:14
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topic about amnesia shards make me more confuse.
ok then we learn:
1 it does not effect upgrade done in forge.
2 reset your equipment's LVL/PXP so you can try again for the potencies you want

i want to ask something. I'll give example:
i have club with lvl 3 butcher, lvl 3 swift stike, and lvl 3 ecominizer.
if i use amnesia shard,which is reset? all of that?
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post Sep 3 2013, 08:16
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QUOTE(zanky @ Sep 2 2013, 23:14) *

topic about amnesia shards make me more confuse.
ok then we learn:
1 it does not effect upgrade done in forge.
2 reset your equipment's LVL/PXP so you can try again for the potencies you want

i want to ask something. I'll give example:
i have club with lvl 3 butcher, lvl 3 swift stike, and lvl 3 ecominizer.
if i use amnesia shard,which is reset? all of that?

all of it
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post Sep 3 2013, 08:17
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QUOTE(zanky @ Sep 3 2013, 13:14) *

topic about amnesia shards make me more confuse.
ok then we learn:
1 it does not effect upgrade done in forge.
2 reset your equipment's LVL/PXP so you can try again for the potencies you want

i want to ask something. I'll give example:
i have club with lvl 3 butcher, lvl 3 swift stike, and lvl 3 ecominizer.
if i use amnesia shard,which is reset? all of that?


all of them (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

and it economizer (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

economizer only for staff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Sep 3 2013, 08:19
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i see ahahahahahaah i'm embrased i never know it for staff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
well it just example (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
damn so it's so hard to get what we want (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Sep 3 2013, 08:30
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4PAB one hand weapon always butcher or swiftstrike (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

eco5 is the most pain in IW
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post Sep 3 2013, 08:31
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QUOTE(Megafauna Blitzkrieg @ Sep 3 2013, 01:41) *

Oh you answered all of my questions, even my joke questions, I love you now.

Well there was one question I didn't see answered, about wakizashi/dagger inherent haste bonuses? So a wakizashi of haste would be like moar haste than a shortsword of haste? Or maybe even a wakizashi of not-haste is equal to a something else of haste? I can't even find the wiki article that mentions this anymore to try re-reading it.

Also I have 2 more that...the wiki didn't answer, or at least not on the page I looked at just now, what are the differences between the tiers? Scythe is a tier 3 but I see lots of chatter about estocs, which are t2, by the same regard even comparable wakis which are tier 3, have not been more impressive than shortsword/other.

My other question is on monsters, since you mentioned it, I have my monster around level...50? I've put some crystals and chaos tokens into it, and it is fed and moraled and everything, but it hasn't gotten me a single item. In fact it's stats page says it's never gotten a kill/victory.

I wouldn't be shocked if my monster just sucked, but I am also concerned that maybe I have to turn it 'on' somehow, other than just making it? Like maybe it isn't even participating in battles yet?

Oh one more, tho this one is not so much a question, wtf@monster stat costs?! Boosting a primary stat like 3 times skyrockets it up to 400 crystals? It's like 50, 194, 3489 wtf? o.0

Haste bonus? Too much information, really. Look in my sig for a link to Equipment Ranges, which contains the most up-to-date info regarding how much haste...or anything...a piece of gear can have. It's lot of info, way too much to try and figure out now. Just refer to it as you go, so you can try and keep up with what gear is good and which might be great. Then send Skillchip, it's keeper, a gift. Seriously.

But this is waaay more important than your haste bonus question. The most basic advice about weapons and tiers and suffixes, and what different weapons actually do, which should help you until at least level 150, and probably more, is here:

Wiki Advice

Not sure about your monster. It should bring you something eventually, my own L50 dudes bring me something every 3/4 days? And yes, crystal upgrades are exponential. Feel free to beg for crystals in your signature. Which reminds me...your name merits a memorable avatar...please do us all a favor and create something entertaining but not annoying. Good luck with that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Sep 3 2013, 08:50
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Hey, anyone know if this is worth anything?
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Only 2 PABs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Sep 3 2013, 09:41
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Hey, anyone know if this is worth anything?
Exquisite Power Leggings of Balance

Only 2 PABs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

power lose it selling point now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

now only slaughter can sell high but still below previous patch , superior power slaughter can sell up to 600k with 4PAB and sup max ADB (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Sep 3 2013, 09:46
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anything without the right suffix and proper PABs is crap...

just take a look at the WTS and WTB to have an idea of what sells and for how much.

if you still have no idea then just dump them all into an auction...
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anything without the right suffix and proper PABs is crap...

just take a look at the WTS and WTB to have an idea of what sells and for how much.

if you still have no idea then just dump them all into an auction...

i doubt it will reach 50k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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post Sep 3 2013, 09:51
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i doubt it will reach 50k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

what? even it 35k i don't want to buy it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

If about 25-30k it will sell (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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i doubt it will reach 50k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Nutz, but thanks!
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post Sep 3 2013, 11:11
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QUOTE(nightshadow2239 @ Sep 2 2013, 23:50) *

Hey, anyone know if this is worth anything?
Exquisite Power Leggings of Balance

Only 2 PABs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


Are you selling it for 30K cuz I might want to dabble in some cheap balance.
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