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1. What is the "attack base damage" displayed on the player's character statistics page actually used for? There's a formula in the Character Stats page, but involves a logarithm and is really complicated to follow.
The actual physical damage done to monsters uses a much simpler formula, and basically shows that +1 STR gives the same boost as +2 ADB.

2. Related to No. 1, when looking at equipment ADB and STR PAB damage-wise at high levels, is +1 STR approximately worth the same as +1 ADB (since PAB conveniently scales about twice as slowly as ADB but gives twice the boost)?

Thank you for your attention (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I want to say 'by puting aside 4 pab in weapon'. Anyway, changing whole EQ to Exquisite. Later maybe will be there a chance to get something etheral (god, I want to have 0 burden and Interference XD)

I want to say 'by puting aside 4 pab in weapon'. Anyway, changing whole EQ to Exquisite. Later maybe will be there a chance to get something etheral (god, I want to have 0 burden and Interference XD)

You can always trying to visit wts.maybe you could found some (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
actualy it's also depend on luck. i got my ethereal longsword from snowflakes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I really hope snowflakes will give better equipment soon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Without luck we also could not find good stuff on WTS

This post has been edited by zanky: Aug 28 2013, 14:05

1. What is the "attack base damage" displayed on the player's character statistics page actually used for? There's a formula in the Character Stats page, but involves a logarithm and is really complicated to follow.
The actual physical damage done to monsters uses a much simpler formula, and basically shows that +1 STR gives the same boost as +2 ADB.

2. Related to No. 1, when looking at equipment ADB and STR PAB damage-wise at high levels, is +1 STR approximately worth the same as +1 ADB (since PAB conveniently scales about twice as slowly as ADB but gives twice the boost)?

Thank you for your attention (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

On attack base damage: it is the base damage you deal to monsters, so your normal attack will deal base damage + bonuses because of element - mitigation from monsters. For skills there is some multiplier to base damage. The logarithmic part is for balancing to weaken monsters (who have massive stats but no equipment).

For the relative effectiveness, ie. when you compare ADB to strength*, it is 2 when your strength is 0 and about 1 when your strength is 1000, don't worry about this, it is not an important factor.

The scaling is a different thing, when you level up, your stats on your gear gets stronger based on the base stat and your level. For example "Weapon Damage is 16⅔"
So at level 0, if a weapon adds 50 damage; at level 16.66, it will add 100 damage; and at level 33.33, it will add 150 damage.


*all comparisons assuming str=dex

Quick question - by puting 4 pab in weapon - which one is stronger ? That one with for example 800 slashing dmg or one with 400 void dmg ?

For the 225+ Arenas, you need void otherwise they will take too long, otherwise an elemental/ethereal weapon (with something strike) is probably better as your normal attacks will get 50% bonus damage*. The main reason for wanting 4PABs on weapons is so that when you do Item World on them, you only get the good potencies, something that isn't important until level 300ish.

*unless of course if your base damage is less than about 800 as the bonus damage.

Thank you, that made things much clearer (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
The part about monster weakening was especially enlightening, it all (seems to) make sense now.

I just reached Elemental Proficiency of 52 after doing a Grindfest. I was aiming for the Tier-2 Elemental Spells. But only "Inferno" and "Blizzard" have Unlocked. "Chained Lightning" and "Downburst" have not unlocked yet! Can anyone tell me what the reason may be? And what should I do to unlock them?

@solarhawk thanks a lot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I also try to balance my stat. but I still think with str 270(12M) and dex 245(6K) is better.
Because with 1 str or 2 dex i got same attack damage.It's wrong again?No right.
I'll just send my stat pic
I don't have good DW weapon.I'm still look for that.
I don't really prefer heavy.because it's slow.although have good defence (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) nah i'm still prefer speed.
But i don't mind become slow as long as i can do high damage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
But thanks about that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I also realize i got hit much if i use 2H so i using mace now.
why rapier of balance give more offhand? I never realize this point. Don't it better with rapier of slaughter?whats the different?
I never put atention on log.And now After i read log when i battle,piercing attack with crit strike can overkill me.
Your info really detailed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) but i ignore it before. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
in the end, Thanks your great (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
I'm triying to look some ethereal mace and rapier.now.
@zen_zen
i forgot to attach some file
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here some. Well i'm kinda wrong in lower lvl so some of my traning is mess.I think scavanger is better.because the bigger drop change is better.


I realize something wrong in my stat.I thing i should increase my agi and end abit more.I will try to hunt with this for now. So i know it's good or not.

Dex does more than just add straight damage. http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Character_Stats#Primary_Attributes

Dexterity (DEX)
Every point adds 1 to Physical Damage formula
Every point adds 1 to the Physical Crit Chance formula
Every 25 points raises Attack Accuracy, and base Parry Chance by 1%

Critical hits will deal even more damage than normal hits, so 10 damage increase from dex is worth more than 10 damage increase from strength due to the difference here. Also, as said by others before, higher accuracy acts like counter-evade so having high enough accuracy to overcome monster's evade helps increase damage.

The main reason you want to balance your stats is because yes, each of the main 4 stats for each playstyle has a bigger impact on different aspects of your playstyle, but the increased cost as you get higher and higher makes it so that you are actually a weaker character overall by focusing on just one or two of your stats.

As for rapier of balance vs rapier of slaughter, at the risk of giving a Joe type response,

Read the wiki.

Rapier of slaughter is great for one-hand fighting style, but dual wield you want balance.

1) Because I know more about you than you think, muwuhaha!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Actually, when you posted your stats, it's all there for all to see. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

2) We are all in the same boat, I don't buy any defensive equipments without 4pab, ever. I have basically settled on my Shade set (the only armour set for the next little while), except perhaps the Boots.

3) You love evade, so do I! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) But if evade is your priority, you want Fleet not Shadowdancer. As the name suggests, Fleet Shades are in general, higher in evade. Shadowdancer has the exclusive Attack Crit Chance, because of this Shadowdancers tend to be priced the highest.

If you install HV Stats script, you can get see what your evade rate is. I get hit by about 1/3 of the monster attacks, about 40% of the attacks are evaded with parry and resist making up the rest of my defensive make up.

But there are times when all the stats are for naught - just now I got defeated in RE, IWBTH while I was setting up my buffs when all 10 monsters attacked at the same time. I call this act of god - haven't had it happen in a very long time but in HV, lightning can indeed strike twice or thrice or... so on. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges_Light yes, fleet is slightly higher evade, but not by a significant amount. Yes I know the HV stats script, I do use it. Also, if you're still getting defeated in RE, then maybe you shouldn't be wearing shade everything. One or two good defensive leather pieces will help. As stated by many before in this thread, you want to go with as little leather (or plate if heavy) as you can manage to reliably win and the rest shade (or power armor for heavy) if that's your focus, being to do a lot of damage.

Solar can u tell me how much your offhand strike is?
Or just post a character screenshot.

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges_Light yes, fleet is slightly higher evade, but not by a significant amount. Yes I know the HV stats script, I do use it. Also, if you're still getting defeated in RE, then maybe you shouldn't be wearing shade everything. One or two good defensive leather pieces will help. As stated by many before in this thread, you want to go with as little leather (or plate if heavy) as you can manage to reliably win and the rest shade (or power armor for heavy) if that's your focus, being to do a lot of damage.

Getting defeated in RE is it? That's not getting defeated in RE, that's more like getting to the Crosswalk signal, check both ways for oncoming traffic, and as you are taking your first step, a meteor drops from the sky, killing you instantly. It's called an act of god; an unavoidable accident or disaster. Fortunately in HV, you can simply shrug it off and wait for the next RE. Same sort of thing can happen regardless of the type of equipments worn - it has happened before when I wore all Legendary Leathers at around your current level.

I stand corrected on Shadowdancer's evade, on average they are only slightly lower in evade but at any given price point if the evade value is equal between a Shadowdancer and a Fleet equipment, the Shadowdancer will be priced significantly higher. You seem reluctant to loosen your pursestring given the fortune in credits you've amassed, hence my suggestion that you look at Fleet instead of Shadowdancer. I am the opposite, I have no credits but equipments, hopefully most are good but some stinkers too.

Well, you play your way and I play mine, if my suggestions help, good. If not, that's good as well. For me the goal is to become a Dovhakin (?) - to be able to clear every level of the Arena in IWBTH. Only then will I contemplate changing to a Mage or a another style of melee.

You can always trying to visit wts.maybe you could found some (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
actualy it's also depend on luck. i got my ethereal longsword from snowflakes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I really hope snowflakes will give better equipment soon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Without luck we also could not find good stuff on WTS

Yeah, but it needs cash. And that is greatest porblem I have. Still need 20k to get pack rat lv 6.

If you install HV Stats script, you can get see what your evade rate is. I get hit by about 1/3 of the monster attacks, about 40% of the attacks are evaded with parry and resist making up the rest of my defensive make up.

I sometimes only got hit 20% of the time. That's when I go against 5 or less monsters, or when shadow-veil and haste on. But generally, yeah, about 30% of the time. It's not all about the armor, because I mixed shadowdancer and arcanist. My off-hand give pretty good deal through parry.

Anyway, zen zen, I want to take a look at your double rapier. Rapier priced outrageously high nowadays.

Yeah, but it needs cash. And that is greatest porblem I have. Still need 20k to get pack rat lv 6.

Altough Pack Rat is great, you're better off just switching to Mana pots if you're not using them already, or buy better gear so you have to cast less spells. I made it to 300 playing everything on IWBTH with 4 pack rat (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Anyway, zen zen, I want to take a look at your double rapier. Rapier priced outrageously high nowadays.

Rapiers are pretty much the most popular 1H and DW weapon, Balance and Nimble for off-hand, Slaughter for mainhand. You don't really want to use dual rapiers though. Better get an axe (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by erwtsnert: Aug 29 2013, 02:23

Altough Pack Rat is great, you're better off just switching to Mana pots if you're not using them already

Running with 3 Heroic Health Potion and 7 Heroic Mana Poion All the time.

Altough Pack Rat is great, you're better off just switching to Mana pots if you're not using them already, or buy better gear so you have to cast less spells. I made it to 300 playing everything on IWBTH with 4 pack rat (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Wow, you must have some amazing equipments to breeze through DwD with only 4 battle slots. Can we get a peek at your arsenal?(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Rapiers are pretty much the most popular 1H and DW weapon, Balance and Nimble for off-hand, Slaughter for mainhand. You don't really want to use dual rapiers though. Better get an axe (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I have that too, I just don't want the rapier2 to gather dust in storage and fall too far behind the axe and rapier1 in striking power. Although Balance and Nimble might be the better choice for the off hand, you use what you can get. In my case, it's the axe and rapier1 (slaughter) for the Arena, the axe and the rapier2 (battlecaster) for the IW because of the battlecaster's 12% mana conservation. I thought why not 2 rapiers - works quite well except when the mob gets large and aggressive, then I end up casting more cure than I'd prefer.

This post has been edited by zen_zen: Aug 29 2013, 10:03

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I can just say your info really detailed. I can't deny and my logic also tell me you right. i'll balance my stat more.
Thaank you very much (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
But i don't really understand about this"As for rapier of balance vs rapier of slaughter, at the risk of giving a Joe type response"

@m118w11 You always great to explain thing.Not like me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I'm not realy fluent in english.It kinda difficult to explain what i mean (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

@kuro009 read this wiki for more detail.I don't know much about mage.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spells#Elemental
if you don't unlock it yet,maybe you should increase more lvl and element prof.
I experience it my self with full cure.in wiki it say lvl 200.but i got full cure when reach 220.Also to unlock "curactive spell" not effect by prof(As long as your lvl is high enough it will unnlock already).

This post has been edited by zanky: Aug 29 2013, 11:13

I guess I need to make an addendum to my question string here. Which is that Bosses only drop their trophies if they are Bosses that have trophies.

I guess I need to make an addendum to my question string here. Which is that Bosses only drop their trophies if they are Bosses that have trophies.

Sapling drop from yggdrasil on TTT right?
yggdrasil droped sapling.it writen on log.
OR
I think i misunderstand your question.

This post has been edited by zanky: Aug 29 2013, 06:10

I guess I need to make an addendum to my question string here. Which is that Bosses only drop their trophies if they are Bosses that have trophies.

From what i know is that "ALL" Bosses have and drop trophies if you defeat them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

I just reached Elemental Proficiency of 52 after doing a Grindfest. I was aiming for the Tier-2 Elemental Spells. But only "Inferno" and "Blizzard" have Unlocked. "Chained Lightning" and "Downburst" have not unlocked yet! Can anyone tell me what the reason may be? And what should I do to unlock them?

I think the level required for them is higher. Downburst just unlocked for me.

Sapling drop from yggdrasil on TTT right?
yggdrasil droped sapling.it writen on log.
OR
I think i misunderstand your question.

The point I was making with the screenshot was not that sapling dropped from Yggdrasil. But Urd there did drop a piece of equipment. The goddesses that appear with Yggdrasil are also "Ultimate" tier. They don't, however, have a trophy related to them to drop. So the rule I previously came to conclude was "All bosses can only drop trophies", was apparently wrong. Rather "Bosses that HAVE trophies, can only drop their trophies".

From what i know is that "ALL" Bosses have and drop trophies if you defeat them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Looking over the Bestiary on the wiki, it seems the Three Goddesses with Yggdrasil and the Three Dragons I've never fought don't have trophies. While they probably only appear when scripted together; that would make more than a single exception to this otherwise good rule of thumb.