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Aug 19 2013, 14:48
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Volkrad
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Aug 19 2013, 15:14
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holy_demon
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I just noticed that there's a new challenge in Ring of Blood, called "Triple Trio and the Tree" that cost 10 tokens. Wiki says that i will face all 9 bosses at the same time. Is it significantly harder than back when there's 1 boss per Ring of blood challenge? Any tip for 2h/heavy? Seems like spamming imperil and weaken is gonna be a pain in the a$$
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Aug 19 2013, 15:42
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Maximum_Joe
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QUOTE(zanky @ Aug 19 2013, 04:06)  So if i'm lvl 200, My max Proficiency is 200 excluding bonus from equip?If it that case, then max Proficiency only 500. Max player lvl is 500, right?
500 base + equip is the max. QUOTE(clarkiest @ Aug 19 2013, 04:47)  When is the best time to raise a monster? I have two chaos token already, but I'm not confident I got what it takes.
When you have enough food and crystals to maintain one.
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Aug 19 2013, 16:43
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clarkiest
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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Aug 19 2013, 15:42)  When you have enough food and crystals to maintain one.
I actually made one. It says 50 crystal per level, damn, except buying (it's ten times the sell price!), where would I get those? Grinding? ugh.... Any tricks?
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Aug 19 2013, 17:05
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Sorokaput
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Just buy enough crystals to keep your monsters in green morale. It tooks no more than 2000 crystals (=20000 creds) per monter per week, sometimes less. You should be able to afford it at least for one monster.
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Aug 19 2013, 18:07
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Malenk
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QUOTE(k-kirei @ Aug 19 2013, 15:55)  sadly they are all worthless. the important stats are all far from base max, let alone exq max. you can get quite a bit of credits selling them in the bazaar, but that's it, i just hope you didn't buy them from the shop because if that's the case you are going to have a bad time.
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Aug 19 2013, 18:21
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k-kirei
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QUOTE(Malenk @ Aug 19 2013, 23:07)  sadly they are all worthless. the important stats are all far from base max, let alone exq max. you can get quite a bit of credits selling them in the bazaar, but that's it, i just hope you didn't buy them from the shop because if that's the case you are going to have a bad time.
Ah ok. That's sad to hear. I got 2 them from that Unicorn ROB and the other 1 from hourly. I'll keep the Powers then just in case I change to Heavies. Thanks you. :D
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Aug 19 2013, 22:22
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Treia
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Aug 19 2013, 09:14)  I just noticed that there's a new challenge in Ring of Blood, called "Triple Trio and the Tree" that cost 10 tokens. Wiki says that i will face all 9 bosses at the same time. Is it significantly harder than back when there's 1 boss per Ring of blood challenge? Any tip for 2h/heavy? Seems like spamming imperil and weaken is gonna be a pain in the a$$
If you're 2h you should really be rocking an estoc to PA them, but anyway the RoB has been changed overall. NONE of the fights are 1v1 anymore, even FSM gets 3 schoolgirls with him. In TTT you will encounter the 3 dragons at the end of DwD (very high resist), the tree yggdrasil + 3 goddesses from T&T, and FSM, RL, and IPU. Basically you want your silence to be high enough to target 3 monsters, or you're going to have a shitty time. Throw silence on the FSM, IPU, and RL and hope some of the overlap keeps other things from shooting shitty magic shots at you. Drogon will still be capable of oneshotting you (or, at least, me) with his spirit attack but unless you want to spend half your turns magnetting him and MAYBE getting silence on him, just take the hits and keep going. You'll want to kill Yggdrasil first to stop the healing, then the dragons because of their moderate health pools but high danger. When you've finished them, move on to the normal RoB monsters and work your way up from the easiest to keep the SoL/silence needs down. When you've killed FSM you're basically home free as the godesses are punching bags compared to the others.
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Aug 19 2013, 22:28
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erwtsnert
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QUOTE(Treia @ Aug 19 2013, 22:22)  If you're 2h you should really be rocking an estoc to PA them, but anyway the RoB has been changed overall. NONE of the fights are 1v1 anymore, even FSM gets 3 schoolgirls with him. In TTT you will encounter the 3 dragons at the end of DwD (very high resist), the tree yggdrasil + 3 goddesses from T&T, and FSM, RL, and IPU. Basically you want your silence to be high enough to target 3 monsters, or you're going to have a shitty time. Throw silence on the FSM, IPU, and RL and hope some of the overlap keeps other things from shooting shitty magic shots at you. Drogon will still be capable of oneshotting you (or, at least, me) with his spirit attack but unless you want to spend half your turns magnetting him and MAYBE getting silence on him, just take the hits and keep going. You'll want to kill Yggdrasil first to stop the healing, then the dragons because of their moderate health pools but high danger. When you've finished them, move on to the normal RoB monsters and work your way up from the easiest to keep the SoL/silence needs down. When you've killed FSM you're basically home free as the godesses are punching bags compared to the others.
If you put points in Stronger Spirit and use spirit shield in conjunction with SoL and the other supportive skills, it's not too hard. Though going with silence is definitely the safer option, I just can't be bothered to grind my deprecating proficiency. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Aug 19 2013, 22:54
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etothex
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meh. for heavy 2hand, get ia1, put spirit shield on it. use weaken. carry some extra spirit pots. infusion a 2nd strike (assuming you have 1 already). imperil can be used too. If you can make a decent DW set for RoB, it'll be faster.
that just made me realize something. I never tried holy/dark imperil; i assume it works for holy/dark strike? I've only been using basic imperil on RoB ugh.
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Aug 19 2013, 23:15
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erwtsnert
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QUOTE(PK678353 @ Aug 18 2013, 23:11)  If he's willing to throw infusions at it, a hollowforged vanilla can have up to 3 strikes, same as elemental/ethereals. It'll just never have the zero B/I of an ethereal or the Cure bonus of a Hallowed. Fiery/Arctic/Shocking/Tempestuous/Demonic weapons are basically vanilla with a set, permanent strike already there, since the EDB does nothing for melee.
But yeah, I suppose outside Magnificent Estocs of Slaughter, no one really buys vanilla weapons these days.
Considering infusions are really cheap, why do elemental ex+ weapons go for a lot more than vanilla weapons with equal base stats? The credit difference between the two can somtimes easily buy you a lifetime worth of infusions.
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Aug 19 2013, 23:45
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Treia
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QUOTE(erwtsnert @ Aug 19 2013, 17:15)  Considering infusions are really cheap, why do elemental ex+ weapons go for a lot more than vanilla weapons with equal base stats? The credit difference between the two can somtimes easily buy you a lifetime worth of infusions.
Quite simply: effort. Also hallowed weapons (+holy EDB) will give bonuses to cure, which is great for spot heals. Ethereal (NO burden/interference, all void damage, IWable second strike) is typically where the big price difference is. This post has been edited by Treia: Aug 19 2013, 23:46
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Aug 20 2013, 00:11
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PK678353
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QUOTE(erwtsnert @ Aug 19 2013, 16:15)  Considering infusions are really cheap, why do elemental ex+ weapons go for a lot more than vanilla weapons with equal base stats? The credit difference between the two can somtimes easily buy you a lifetime worth of infusions.
Well, I've never had the Cold Strike on my Estoc run out mid-arena, for one thing. And this is a browser grinding game. We're lazy about shit. If you want to infuse, go ahead and buy a nice vanilla and save yourself some serious credits. Also, prices are sticky. Before you could infuse weapons, elemental weapons were strictly better than vanillas, since they actually had a strike at all.
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Aug 20 2013, 00:35
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erwtsnert
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QUOTE(Treia @ Aug 19 2013, 23:45)  Quite simply: effort. Also hallowed weapons (+holy EDB) will give bonuses to cure, which is great for spot heals. Ethereal (NO burden/interference, all void damage, IWable second strike) is typically where the big price difference is.
QUOTE(PK678353 @ Aug 20 2013, 00:11)  Well, I've never had the Cold Strike on my Estoc run out mid-arena, for one thing. And this is a browser grinding game. We're lazy about shit. If you want to infuse, go ahead and buy a nice vanilla and save yourself some serious credits.
Also, prices are sticky. Before you could infuse weapons, elemental weapons were strictly better than vanillas, since they actually had a strike at all.
Thanks for the answers once again. I feel like a noob even though I'm almost 300 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Aug 20 2013, 04:40
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zanky
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Aug 19 2013, 21:43)  I actually made one. It says 50 crystal per level, damn, except buying (it's ten times the sell price!), where would I get those? Grinding? ugh.... Any tricks?
best crystal drop is from grindfest.You also can to get Crystarium hath perk. I think you should think what you will lvling up on henjustsu training to burn your credit or buying cristal.I have 1 monster at lvl 156 now and it need a lot of crystal to lvling up stat to maintainance morale. some of it need more than 1700 crystal to upgrade 1 stat. Wait until you could farming monster easier on your lvl. maybe around 150 or more. so you could easier to getting credit to buy cristal or go to grindfest to farm crystal. Dont be hasty to make monster. You will regret it later because it cost a lot. You also got crytal from precursor artifact. And to maximize your crystal, only upgrade it when necesarry. ex:Feed monster when it gor bellow 2000 hunger. Do the same with morale. http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Morale_Drain_RateThis post has been edited by zanky: Aug 20 2013, 04:45
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Aug 20 2013, 05:32
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Treia @ Aug 20 2013, 06:22)  If you're 2h you should really be rocking an estoc to PA them, but anyway the RoB has been changed overall. NONE of the fights are 1v1 anymore, even FSM gets 3 schoolgirls with him. In TTT you will encounter the 3 dragons at the end of DwD (very high resist), the tree yggdrasil + 3 goddesses from T&T, and FSM, RL, and IPU. Basically you want your silence to be high enough to target 3 monsters, or you're going to have a shitty time. Throw silence on the FSM, IPU, and RL and hope some of the overlap keeps other things from shooting shitty magic shots at you. Drogon will still be capable of oneshotting you (or, at least, me) with his spirit attack but unless you want to spend half your turns magnetting him and MAYBE getting silence on him, just take the hits and keep going. You'll want to kill Yggdrasil first to stop the healing, then the dragons because of their moderate health pools but high danger. When you've finished them, move on to the normal RoB monsters and work your way up from the easiest to keep the SoL/silence needs down. When you've killed FSM you're basically home free as the godesses are punching bags compared to the others.
Thanks for the detailed answer, but I'm a bit confused the part where you suggest me to take the one-shot hit from Dragon and keep going. Does it mean I will have to keep SoL up all the time? QUOTE(etothex @ Aug 20 2013, 06:54)  meh. for heavy 2hand, get ia1, put spirit shield on it. use weaken. carry some extra spirit pots. infusion a 2nd strike (assuming you have 1 already). imperil can be used too. If you can make a decent DW set for RoB, it'll be faster.
I'm assuming that this strategy only works with a plate set ? Also, is it just me or does weaken lands more often than silence does ? This post has been edited by holy_demon: Aug 20 2013, 05:33
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Aug 20 2013, 05:50
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clarkiest
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QUOTE(zanky @ Aug 20 2013, 04:40)  best crystal drop is from grindfest.You also can to get Crystarium hath perk. I think you should think what you will lvling up on henjustsu training to burn your credit or buying cristal.I have 1 monster at lvl 156 now and it need a lot of crystal to lvling up stat to maintainance morale. some of it need more than 1700 crystal to upgrade 1 stat. Wait until you could farming monster easier on your lvl. maybe around 150 or more. so you could easier to getting credit to buy cristal or go to grindfest to farm crystal. Dont be hasty to make monster. You will regret it later because it cost a lot. You also got crytal from precursor artifact. And to maximize your crystal, only upgrade it when necesarry. ex:Feed monster when it gor bellow 2000 hunger. Do the same with morale. http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Morale_Drain_RateThank you for your enlightening estimation. Level 150 that is. Does that mean grindfest became more fun once you're 150? Or credit drop bigger?
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Aug 20 2013, 06:16
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Aug 20 2013, 13:50)  Thank you for your enlightening estimation. Level 150 that is. Does that mean grindfest became more fun once you're 150? Or credit drop bigger?
Best sources of credit drops are arena and random encounter. In my experience, Grindfest stops being fun after level 30. I haven't played HV for ages, but I doubt it has changed much. Grindfest is meant for farming crystal, something you shouldn't concern yourself with until lv300 with crystal perk, as it is only more profitable than arena if you can do it to ~500 rounds without dying (due to low level/low gear) or quitting (due to extreme boredom) This post has been edited by holy_demon: Aug 20 2013, 06:19
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