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post Nov 24 2010, 17:48
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QUOTE(tribalspirit @ Nov 24 2010, 04:24) *

i was thinking that investing on INT could give me more chance to not miss monsters

wisdom is useful for melee but if monsters resist to your spells too much can be dangerous and you simply waste mana


Magic Accuracy = 75 + INT / 25 + WIS / 40

wis helps in magic accuracy as well but not as much as int...

QUOTE(facefish @ Nov 24 2010, 22:50) *

Well, killed all the bosses now. Aside from Manbearpig, more like free 10000c than a challenge really. And for MBP, just bought a few crude fire-eater pieces and it was cake after that as well.

How often does the bazaar restock by the way? I practically never see any of the good scrolls for sale there, maybe just being constantly bought out -.-


try the wts threads. i remember seeing some of them selling some scrolls and they are cheaper than the bazaar's price.

anyway what scrolls do you need? i might have some spares to sell you...
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post Nov 24 2010, 21:24
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Dont really need any since I got past the instagibbing, so no need for spark yet. Was just wondering how the bazaar works.

Another quick question though. How are spell mana costs determined, aside from how many points you have in that particular skill for elemental spells? Player level? Max mana pool?
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post Nov 24 2010, 21:29
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post Nov 24 2010, 22:23
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Nov 24 2010, 18:48) *

Magic Accuracy = 75 + INT / 25 + WIS / 40

wis helps in magic accuracy as well but not as much as int...
try the wts threads. i remember seeing some of them selling some scrolls and they are cheaper than the bazaar's price.



dammit i read the formula with the opposite meaning
INT seems important only for magic rating and magic critics and also affect the dmg taken from magical attacks

so it's better to raise INT by many point after some levels and other stats instead needs to be raised constantly

btw i noticed how evilish can be the overall accuracy , both magical and physical
4-5 straight miss/evade/block/parry/resist it's really deathly and annoying also...
And this chains happens often, so i wondered if this is intentional (pheraps is a spice-up feature, who knows...)


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post Nov 24 2010, 22:55
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How much Elemental proficiency is worth giving up for a boost in INT? or vice versa? For damage output purposes.
1 point of Elem prof = +0.5% damage, but what is 1 Point of INT worth?

I know certain high levels use Fox gear, so does a point of INT @ level 250 give more damage than a point of INT at level 116?

For Example:

This Phase Robe @ Level 116 gives 17.27 Prof and 2.64 INT
While This Gossamer Robe
Gives 22.35 Prof and 0.38 INT

How much more (or less) damage would the gossamer robe give me over the phase?
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post Nov 24 2010, 23:18
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QUOTE(PsychoticSoul @ Nov 24 2010, 20:55) *

How much Elemental proficiency is worth giving up for a boost in INT? or vice versa? For damage output purposes.
1 point of Elem prof = +0.5% damage, but what is 1 Point of INT worth?

No ones actually knows how magic rating works (Thats what INT raise), although Sayo made some calculations, and
it looked like 1% increase in magic rating was equal to +2% magic output, however this is not confirmed yet.
QUOTE(PsychoticSoul @ Nov 24 2010, 20:55) *

I know certain high levels use Fox gear, so does a point of INT @ level 250 give more damage than a point of INT at level 116?
No, it's the other way.
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post Nov 24 2010, 23:25
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 25 2010, 05:18) *

No ones actually knows how magic rating works (Thats what INT raise), although Sayo made some calculations, and
it looked like 1% increase in magic rating was equal to +2% magic output, however this is not confirmed yet.


Hrmm so both robes would increase damage by about the same amount.

Edit: Or not.. eh.. if 1 INT is close +2% damage, then I'd actually get more damage out of the Phase...
Hrmm.. so 4 points of Prof = 1 point of INT.

QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 25 2010, 05:18) *

No, it's the other way.



(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) So why do certain High levels use Fox gear?
I thought it was because they were getting more damage out of it than proficiency gear.

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post Nov 24 2010, 23:41
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probably because INT increase the overall magic damage for all magic attacks ,and gives them freedom of choice regarding the attack spell
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post Nov 24 2010, 23:46
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QUOTE(PsychoticSoul @ Nov 24 2010, 21:25) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) So why do certain High levels use Fox gear?
You mean boggy and Hito? My guess is because they already can kill 1-shot all monsters on normal with the extra damage from Fox, but INT also increases base magic accuracy, which they can get 100% by now, and that means grindfest on auto-pilot.
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post Nov 25 2010, 04:42
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So I've been trying to level my dual-wielding though cakefests, and was planning on doing most of my damage through AoE magic, and finishing up w/ attacks.
Picked up a battlecaster-shortsword and slaughter-rapier, so my interference is only around 4. Unfortunately, I underestimated how much my elementalist staff helped my magic damage, so I'm not doing nearly as well as I hoped.

--Will this become a viable strategy at higher levels? I intend to keep intelligence leveled beyond strength and dex, so will my magic damage ever get enough to one-shot most of my enemies even without a staff? I just don't have the damage reduction and supportive spell duration to beat one guy to death at a time, while the other six gangrape me.

--Also, is it better to level dual-wielding with a sword+dagger than a sword+rapier? Penetrated armor isn't exactly useful on cockatrices, and the greater parry would come in handy.

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post Nov 25 2010, 05:07
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 24 2010, 13:46) *

You mean boggy and Hito? My guess is because they already can kill 1-shot all monsters on normal with the extra damage from Fox, but INT also increases base magic accuracy, which they can get 100% by now, and that means grindfest on auto-pilot.


Iv'e discovered that having 100% Magic Accuracy is overrated. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Nov 25 2010, 07:01
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You're not making proper use of it then. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) INT isn't for accuracy anyway.
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post Nov 25 2010, 08:09
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Nov 24 2010, 21:01) *

You're not making proper use of it then. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) INT isn't for accuracy anyway.


There's really only 1 use, and it's still as boring as shit either way, since it doesn't magically allow me to not keep an eye on the screen. (I don't normalfest btw)

Also, clear speed wise for Legendaries, I can still do it with my Holy set faster than the various ways I've attempted with my Demon-Fiend/INT sets. I'm not sure if that's due to the quality difference between my Holy set vs my other 2 or efficiency but meh. I still need to get my Forbidden prof. caught up though.

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post Nov 25 2010, 09:11
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Hmm, yeah I suppose you really need to have maxed forbidden to appreciate the effectiveness of fox gear. And level 250.
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post Nov 25 2010, 10:28
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Nov 25 2010, 07:11) *

Hmm, yeah I suppose you really need to have maxed forbidden to appreciate the effectiveness of fox gear. And level 250.


I'm sure your higher level and the stat points you have help. My forbidden is the same as my level and my fox gear adds just under 100 INT but I wasn't happy with the damage, that could be because my staffs aren't all that good. My demon fiend gear isn't great other then the 2 good pieces, and I don't think i've had it crit for +100k yet. But I haven't been messing with it for a while.

My base attributes are 275-276 and I'm not sure if I want to keep them all even or pump INT to 300 for shits and giggles.

Hitokiri84 have your base attributes hit +300 yet (if they are all even) if so at what level did that happen?

I want to one shot kill on harder levels. When I was doing that hard-grindfest I was just using my normal Elemental stuff and a Mjolnir staff/pants. I wasn't able to do heroic with those same items while only castings thunderstorm. I have the same problem when doing arenas using holy spells, I still need to do a little more dmg to oneshot kill 100% of the time on the harder levels.
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post Nov 25 2010, 10:49
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Nov 25 2010, 02:28) *
Hitokiri84 have your base attributes hit +300 yet (if they are all even) if so at what level did that happen?

They're not even, and there's no reason to keep them that way. Anything put on AGI is wasted after your Action Speed is over 200. I don't remember when I hit 300 on INT and WIS, but if you want a good idea what they're at, I need 84,071,340 EXP for my next point on both of them.

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I want to one shot kill on harder levels. When I was doing that hard-grindfest I was just using my normal Elemental stuff and a Mjolnir staff/pants. I wasn't able to do heroic with those same items while only castings thunderstorm. I have the same problem when doing arenas using holy spells, I still need to do a little more dmg to oneshot kill 100% of the time on the harder levels.

Join the club. I don't have an elementalist robe at all, but with a tiny bit more damage I would be able to oneshot 100% of the time on heroic using thunderstorm. The only other option you have is to use Column Lightning, but then you run into the exact same problem. Only a little bit more damage and I could oneshot everything 100% of the time on nightmare with column lightning.
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post Nov 25 2010, 10:58
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QUOTE(4EverLost @ Nov 25 2010, 00:28) *

I'm sure your higher level and the stat points you have help. My forbidden is the same as my level and my fox gear adds just under 100 INT but I wasn't happy with the damage, that could be because my staffs aren't all that good. My demon fiend gear isn't great other then the 2 good pieces, and I don't think i've had it crit for +100k yet. But I haven't been messing with it for a while.

My base attributes are 275-276 and I'm not sure if I want to keep them all even or pump INT to 300 for shits and giggles.

Hitokiri84 have your base attributes hit +300 yet (if they are all even) if so at what level did that happen?

I want to one shot kill on harder levels. When I was doing that hard-grindfest I was just using my normal Elemental stuff and a Mjolnir staff/pants. I wasn't able to do heroic with those same items while only castings thunderstorm. I have the same problem when doing arenas using holy spells, I still need to do a little more dmg to oneshot kill 100% of the time on the harder levels.


I can't T-storm Heroic either. Close (around 5% more on Blue slimes/Scary ghosts), but not quite. Hardfest for me right now is a mishmash of mjolnir, elementalist, and Fox gear. Net result is untargeted 1 shots with 99% base magic accuracy. Works well enough.

I don't use my holy set in arenas normally (not counting Legendary ones), mostly because I don't usually bother doing them above Normal out of laziness, but I believe I can one-shot all the mini-bosses on Heroic.

Edit: Oh, and I stopped raising everything but int/wis at 260. No point for me at this stage unless Tenboro makes some gigantic changes.

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post Nov 25 2010, 11:56
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hard GF isn't a problem using T.storm, and using anything other then tier 1 spells is going to use too much mana if I want to go +5000 rounds. I think Heroic will need +500% ele Proficiency or just high % to crit stuff.

I've been working on my Divine proficiency for the past week or so, I had left it down ~184 when I went back to elemental last time. I've got it up to 245.28 now but I have the same problems. I've been doing IW using Superior Ethereal and Exquisite Cotton (both ~250 levels) and get too many monsters with just a sliver of life left or a miss/resist too often. Maybe I should have kept my base stats at 250 and put everything into INT/WIS. At the time I wanted to keep them all in multiples of 25. So maybe if I had done that I would have +300 base INT/WIS by now.

I guess my goal is to run the arena/IW on the hardest level I can while still only casting 1 spell and only using godly mana pots. I don't want to use ET and I would rather not have to cast more spells since it will take longer.

oh i guess I should add I still need to go back and level up my weapon proficiency. I'd like to get them to +200 at the very least.
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post Nov 25 2010, 17:18
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Well I'm gonna go after Konata and the gang soon, so for the hell of it I'll take advice on what to spend my points on from you guys. Not gonna put any in exp boost, and most likely gonna fill all the hp and mp tanks.

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post Nov 25 2010, 17:25
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HP, MP. Weaken, Bewilder, Poison, Haste, Shield, Barrier, Spark of Life, Shadow Veil.
And depending on your strategy.. both holy tiers. That is if you want go Rapier/Axe or Rapier/Rapier and cast Banish when PA is up. It'll work against the 3 legendaries (not konata) really great.

That is all you actually need. (Barrier and Shield are just extras though)
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