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Nov 21 2010, 15:00
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Death Grunty
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QUOTE(PsychoticSoul @ Nov 21 2010, 06:41)  I had 1 tier of holy Maxed and was doing about 2000 damage. I take it that you don't lag INT? Did you have a heaven-sent set equipped for that kind of damage?
I keep my stats the same. Always in this order: END, AGI, STR, WIS, DEX, INT No. I've used maybe 2 mediocre pieces for testing once. But I usually go full evade silk.
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Nov 21 2010, 17:50
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Nov 21 2010, 04:53)  What kind of prof raises the chance to proc Channeling?
Nothing raises the chance to proc Channeling. That we know at least. I haven't noticed any significant change in 100+ levels though, so I assume it doesn't exist.
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Nov 21 2010, 18:51
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Ichy
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Nov 21 2010, 18:50)  Nothing raises the chance to proc Channeling. That we know at least. I haven't noticed any significant change in 100+ levels though, so I assume it doesn't exist.
Well damn (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Nov 21 2010, 21:41
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Nov 21 2010, 15:50)  Nothing raises the chance to proc Channeling. That we know at least. I haven't noticed any significant change in 100+ levels though, so I assume it doesn't exist.
Erm, wrong. Channeling has the same probability to proc as CM, staff proficiency is was raise both effects. You didn't noticed any change because they're both capped a long time ago.
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Nov 21 2010, 21:51
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hentai_fusion
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so what is the cap?
at level 121 with 82.86 staff prof, my cm proc chance is 23.1 %. so my channeling proc chance is also 23.1 %?
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Nov 21 2010, 22:00
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Nov 21 2010, 19:51)  so what is the cap?
at level 121 with 82.86 staff prof, my cm proc chance is 23.1 %. so my channeling proc chance is also 23.1 %?
Like CM 35%. Yes. Edit:From wiki: QUOTE Coalesced Mana chance = 10 + (0.04 * WIS + 0.02 * INT) * (1 + Staff / 200) This post has been edited by cmdct: Nov 21 2010, 22:04
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Nov 22 2010, 04:21
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 21 2010, 11:41)  Erm, wrong. Channeling has the same probability to proc as CM, staff proficiency is was raise both effects. You didn't noticed any change because they're both capped a long time ago.
No. Even when I had bloody zero staff proficiency, Channeling proc'd at the same rate it does now. Unless Tenboro has outright stated this is true (and even then I'd doubt it was working as intended from my own observations), I can't buy this. Do you realize how impossibly hard it'd be for lower levels just switching to maging to proc channeling if what you said was true? Something like <15% chance to proc CM AND channeling?
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Nov 22 2010, 04:52
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Nov 22 2010, 02:21)  No. Even when I had bloody zero staff proficiency, Channeling proc'd at the same rate it does now. Unless Tenboro has outright stated this is true (and even then I'd doubt it was working as intended from my own observations), I can't buy this.
When you did the switch? Because if you didn't noticed you already have 30% CM with 166 points of INT/WIS and 0 staff proficiency. That's something you can get probably at 130 levels, but if staff proficiency is raised at l50 you get the 35% cap already, and that's something that raise very fast. QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Nov 22 2010, 02:21)  Do you realize how impossibly hard it'd be for lower levels just switching to maging to proc channeling if what you said was true? Something like <15% chance to proc CM AND channeling?
Yes I do, and you forgot that low level normally don't kill 1-shot almost all monsters like higher levels. This was already discussed in the past btw. This post has been edited by cmdct: Nov 22 2010, 04:53
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Nov 22 2010, 05:01
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 21 2010, 18:52)  When you did the switch? Because if you didn't noticed you already have 30% CM with 166 points of INT/WIS and 0 staff proficiency. That's something you can get probably at 130 levels, but if staff proficiency is raised at l50 you get the 35% cap already, and that's something that raise very fast.
When I was level 80. Zero Staff prof. And your math is way wrong. Those numbers give you 19.96% proc chance with 0 staff prof. Not 30%. Because of my lagged staff prof, (I never leveled it outside normal use) I didn't even cap my proc chance until level 200+. QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 21 2010, 18:52)  Yes I do, and you forgot that low level normally don't kill 1-shot almost all monsters like higher levels.
And that only reinforces my point, since they're more likely to try to proc ET->channeling than we are. I used it a lot when I first switched. And it wasn't a 15% chance to catch like it'd have to be if your theory were correct. QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 21 2010, 18:52)  This was already discussed in the past btw. All I see is conjecture and speculation. This post has been edited by Conquest101: Nov 22 2010, 05:01
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Nov 22 2010, 05:19
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Nov 22 2010, 03:01)  When I was level 80. Zero Staff prof. And your math is way wrong. Those numbers give you 19.96% proc chance with 0 staff prof. Not 30%. Because of my lagged staff prof, (I never leveled it outside normal use) I didn't even cap my proc chance until level 200+.
It was a approximated value not exactly, and somewhere I divided by 2 who knows why. QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Nov 22 2010, 03:01)  And that only reinforces my point, since they're more likely to try to proc ET->channeling than we are. I used it a lot when I first switched. And it wasn't a 15% chance to catch like it'd have to be if your theory were correct.
Don't know I did the switch long after. QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Nov 22 2010, 03:01)  All I see is conjecture and speculation.
Fair enough, but what you say it's the same, or did you actually gathered data? PM Tenboro about it, if you really want to know.
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Nov 22 2010, 05:32
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 21 2010, 19:19)  It was a approximated value not exactly, and somewhere I divided by 2 who knows why.
Don't know I did the switch long after.
Fair enough, but what you say it's the same, or did you actually gathered data? PM Tenboro about it, if you really want to know.
How did you end up with a greater value if you divided by 2 anywhere in a multiplicative calculation? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Also, I don't really care, but I dislike it when people state things as fact when it is not. It's misleading.
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Nov 22 2010, 05:58
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Nov 22 2010, 03:32)  How did you end up with a greater value if you divided by 2 anywhere in a multiplicative calculation? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Funny, double 166 INT/WIS points and you see (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Nov 22 2010, 03:32)  Also, I don't really care, but I dislike it when people state things as fact when it is not. It's misleading.
Maybe it is, but we all still do it, one way or another.
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Nov 22 2010, 06:13
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soliloquy
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New updated post.
This post has been edited by ramenface: Nov 22 2010, 22:15
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Nov 22 2010, 08:42
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hentai_fusion
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QUOTE(LastLuck @ Nov 22 2010, 04:06)  i am going to presume you are doing melee here... hp tank, mp tank, spirt tank, oc, poison, shield...
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Nov 22 2010, 16:59
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6440Min
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Is mithra's flower something good?
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Nov 22 2010, 17:10
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hentai_fusion
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Nov 22 2010, 17:38
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6440Min
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I've gotten some piece of shit :-)
This post has been edited by folwaR...: Nov 22 2010, 17:38
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Nov 22 2010, 17:47
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facefish
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Just hit lvl 50, about ring of blood...
Is there some form of preparation that should be done before even attempting to do any of the bosses? Tried manbearpig just to see how hard they hit, was doing fine, got it to about half hp and then got one shot by Global Warming crit for something like 1.1k damage (me having little under 800 hp).
Maxed out HP tanks with equal stat spread, just felt a bit owned by getting one shot from full to 0. Dont feel like wasting tokens just to get lucky and hope for no crits on spells.
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