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How much Holy Mitigation is needed to take on IPU?
and do I need Silence?

At your level, get as much mitigation as you can. You probably won't be able to keep up with the damage if you use Silence, and you'll end up wasting all your mana on Cure.

Do I need to invest AP in holy rating?

It certainly wouldn't hurt. The mitigation from your Holy rating adds to what you get from your equipment, which is very useful.

Also, is it easier to go

Axe/Rapier 1 or
Rapier 2/Sword Chucks
?

Axe+Rapier.

How do those auras help you to maintain the spell...?

Oh, and do the hath perks auras come with the stat/evade/damage and other such boosts that the regular color auras do?

Auras. Rainbow Aura increases MP regen rate, but I'm not sure how Black would help.

This post has been edited by Sayo Aisaka: Nov 15 2010, 21:36

Believe it or not, the gods doesn't seem to be "immune" to physical attack like in the past..

452 2 Your offhand hits Flying Spaghetti Monster for 93 slashing damage.
452 1 You crit Flying Spaghetti Monster for 227 piercing damage.
451 1 You hit Flying Spaghetti Monster for 136 piercing damage.
446 2 Flying Spaghetti Monster gains the effect Penetrated Armor.
446 1 You hit Flying Spaghetti Monster for 25 piercing damage.

It still lower than using bleed, but still respectable.

This is when I fought IPU before 0.4.8

524 7 The effect Penetrated Armor on Invisible Pink Unicorn has expired.
524 2 Your offhand hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 18 piercing damage.
524 1 You crit Invisible Pink Unicorn for 33 slashing damage.
520 3 Invisible Pink Unicorn gains the effect Penetrated Armor.
520 2 Your offhand hits Invisible Pink Unicorn for 2 piercing damage.
520 1 You hit Invisible Pink Unicorn for 3 slashing damage.

I have more OC and ADM when I fought FSM, but I doubt its alone really make that much difference. I could be wrong of course!

@ PsychoticSoul

If you want to do it the old school way, I would go with Axe / Rapier 2

IPU, to me, is not really much more difficult than RL; he's more predictable about SP attack, you can use Holy mit gear to reduce his normal attacks to about as much as half of what RL did.

Your gears are better than me, and have more item slot as well, you should win with not much trouble. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The real problem is FSM since he has so much health, one of the reason I fought him using infusions because if I go with the bleed, my calculation, base on my performance on IPU, show that my mana won't be enough and I don't want to train more pack rat just to fight him (I have it at LV1 lol).

If you want to go with infusion route, I would use Rapier 1 / Sword Chucks and probably about 20 infusions should do it.

Slow is pretty awesome in this situation as well, I use it when I fought FSM.

BTW, Have you ever use Soul stone? Just in case, I will tell you something about it.

You must wait until your OC is max before using it since it's add 20 OC per turn to your current OC, not to your OC limit! I wasted 1 Soul stone in the past since I use it immediately at the first turn.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Also, don't use SP attack, you'll lost all your OC bonus from Soul stone.

This post has been edited by buktore: Nov 16 2010, 05:04

I killed RL without Silence nor mitigation. Do you think I can do it to IPU, too?

My kevlar setup (axe + shield) gives me 24% evade, 48.4% block, 6.6% parry and 41.3% resist. Both P and M mitigations are at 13%.

I killed RL without Silence nor mitigation. Do you think I can do it to IPU, too?

My kevlar setup (axe + shield) gives me 24% evade, 48.4% block, 6.6% parry and 41.3% resist. Both P and M mitigations are at 13%.

How much items did you spent? You really love kevlar don't you? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I killed RL without Silence nor mitigation. Do you think I can do it to IPU, too?

My kevlar setup (axe + shield) gives me 24% evade, 48.4% block, 6.6% parry and 41.3% resist. Both P and M mitigations are at 13%.

As it happens, I fought the IPU just now, though with a completely different setup (I was using a staff). I had 24% evade, no block, 8.5% parry, 8.3 physical mitigation and 75% Holy mitigation, and was able to use Silence. You might be able to do it. On the other hand, ISTR I had 65% mitigation the first time I beat it, and better parry, and it wasn't easy back then.

@ Red_Piotrus

If you not using scroll / infusion to reduce damage you take, given 8 mana elixir, No.

If you using scroll / infusion to reduce damage you take, given 8 mana elixir, probably No.

How much items did you spent? You really love kevlar don't you? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Hey, I love it too! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I still use the 2 pieces I got from you!

This post has been edited by buktore: Nov 16 2010, 02:17

How much items did you spent? You really love kevlar don't you? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Consumed items:
* Health Elixir x4
* Mana Elixir x5
* Greater Spirit Potion
* Scroll of Life x9
* Scroll of Swiftness
* Scroll of Absorption x8

Detailed AAR from that battle is here.

What's not to like about kevlar? I don't have any god silk evade or thrice-blessed pieces...

My current best holy mitigation pieces are: cap 19%, breastplate 23%, nothing for hands, 23% leggings and 11% shoes. I am pretty sure I need to upgrade the shoes and get something decent for the hands before trying the mitigation path...

@ Red_Piotrus

If you not using scroll / infusion to reduce damage you take, given 8 mana elixir, No.

If you using scroll / infusion to reduce damage you take, given 8 mana elixir, probably No.
Hey, I love it too! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Not sure if I understand what you mean. I have 80 scrolls of absorption and 40 scrolls of life, and 15 infusions of divinity (those at least should be easy to buy).

This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: Nov 16 2010, 02:58

@ Red_Piotrus

I was answering to this..

I killed RL without Silence nor mitigation. Do you think I can do it to IPU, too?

And my reply is, if you have only 8 mana elixirs (or more precisely, 8 item slots) available to you, the answer is No or probably No, depend on the situation.

This is not the same as RL, IPU hit significantly harder than RL if you don't use Mitigation gears. You might not have enough fuel to stay long enough to finish him because you'll get constant bombard by his Normal attack. Unlike RL, SP attack is not your only problem here.

But with that much Scroll, I don't know, you might make it.

Also, your thrice-blessed pieces are more than good enough..

This post has been edited by buktore: Nov 16 2010, 03:56

Consumed items:
* Health Elixir x4
* Mana Elixir x5
* Greater Spirit Potion
* Scroll of Life x9
* Scroll of Swiftness
* Scroll of Absorption x8

Detailed AAR from that battle is here.

What's not to like about kevlar? I don't have any god silk evade or thrice-blessed pieces...

Nothing, you're spending more items to clear challenges that way, but anyone can play the way they like. Then again I think light is a little better now, I'm sure best kevlar as good as the best silk, will drop one day (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

My question was referring in RL situation, since the 3 Gods only have their spirit attack as magical type.
What I mean is that kevlar only helps at saving more SP, since more resists = less spark trigger, but you're using scrolls so that not even a issue since they don't spent SP.
For the other attacks what protects you is: block, parry, evade, physical mitigation, specific mitigation (soul/holy/dark) nothing more
You have a little better physical mitigation with kevlar ok, but at cost of 24% evade where at your level you could get 40% evade with silk.

Same is with IPU/FSM, even a crap piece of 20% mitigation protects you more than any kevlar piece or a 8% evade silk.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Nov 16 2010, 04:04

So I'm seeing a lot of people use Silence, etc. instead of Weaken + Bewilder for bosses.

Since Silence gets cancelled by Weaken and all that fancy stuff, just what is the best enfeebling spell for bosses/legendaries in general?

So I'm seeing a lot of people use Silence, etc. instead of Weaken + Bewilder for bosses.

Since Silence gets cancelled by Weaken and all that fancy stuff, just what is the best enfeebling spell for bosses/legendaries in general?

It depends. If you can eat their normal attacks, Silence. If not, Weaken+Bewilder and put up precautions against their Skills if they're capable of debuffed one-shots.

@ Red_Piotrus

And my reply is, if you have only 8 mana elixirs (or more precisely, 8 item slots) available to you, the answer is No or probably No, depend on the situation.

I have maxed Pack Rat, so I have 12 slots.

Hmmm, once I can get the two missing holy mitigation pieces (hands and better feet), I will try IPU.

I have maxed Pack Rat, so I have 12 slots.

Hmmm, once I can get the two missing holy mitigation pieces (hands and better feet), I will try IPU.

I've got Hands and Stabbybleedingdoom you are free to borrow if you like. You can definitely take him, I did IPU months ago before infinite scroll works was allowed.

I've got Hands and Stabbybleedingdoom you are free to borrow if you like. You can definitely take him, I did IPU months ago before infinite scroll works was allowed.

Thanks for the offer. I'd prefer to use my own equips, but I'll keep your offer in mind (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Why, oh why was BW nerfed... I wonder in anything with a base BW more than 28 ever dropped?

With 12 slots, scrolls, and your current holy mit gears, you should be fine against IPU unless you're doing it wrong somehow.

This post has been edited by buktore: Nov 16 2010, 05:33

Here's a question that's not for the experts, unless they remember the days before they had maxed action speed.
At lv.55, my burden is 23.5 and my unadjusted speed 120. Would using a piece of phase cloth to get below 20 make any noticeable difference? Manthras get the occasional double-attack, which can be murder in the arena.
Additionally, is the burden listed in "equipment" adjusted for armor proficiency? My gear has been changing or leveling too much for me to tell by looking.

Again, thanks to everyone taking the time to answer questions.

This post has been edited by altereggo: Nov 16 2010, 06:08

Here's a question that's not for the experts, unless they remember the days before they had maxed action speed.
At lv.55, my burden is 23.5 and my unadjusted speed 120. Would using a piece of phase cloth to get below 20 make any noticeable difference?
Additionally, is the burden listed in "equipment" adjusted for armor proficiency? My gear has been changing or leveling too much for me to tell by looking.

Again, thanks to everyone taking the time to answer questions.

Well, not many people actually have maxed action speed at this point. Unless someone has invested particularly heavily in agility or agility equip for some reason, you'd still need to be like level 230+ most likely. I just capped mine for all equipment sets a couple of levels ago.

It'll make a difference, though not a particularly noticeable one. You might gain a turn every like 50+ turns, but your rounds probably shouldn't be lasting that long anyways. IIRC Sayo figured out that it takes 2 points of burden to lose every 1 point of action speed. So you're talking like less than 2 points of action speed difference in this case.

And the burden listed in the equipment screen summaries is your final burden after proficiency adjustments.

This post has been edited by Conquest101: Nov 16 2010, 06:13

nah it wont make a difference, dont bother unless the phase is otherwise better than what you already have. Just tough it out till you can get haste on IA.

IIRC Sayo figured out that it takes 2 points of burden to lose every 1 point of action speed.

And the burden listed in the equipment screen summaries is your final burden after proficiency adjustments.

Thanks: the damn wiki said it's one for one past 20--had me all freaked out. I'll update it once I check Sayo's post.
And my next 5AP are going to haste. 34 is better than 2, even with the mana cost.

IIRC Sayo figured out that it takes 2 points of burden to lose every 1 point of action speed.

Not quite.

Burden penalty = (Burden - 20) / 2 if Burden > 20, 0 otherwise

Action time = (base action time * time multiplier) + Burden penalty

In case you're not following that's only if Burden is over 20, and its actually a burden penalty that's applied to action time, not action speed. Two completely different things. I'm still not quite sure how Tenboro's original statement applies, though.

Every point of burden above 20 reduces action speed by one "point".