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Do you guys think it would make sense to use a nice bleed/proc/parry shortswort in my offhand instead of my shield?

From my point of view, No.

- In general, Short sword sucks in any DW combination. I tried plenty of very good Short sword with disapointing results. It's too "moderate" for DW, which work best if you go "extreme" in some way.
- Killing power of DW generally come from Offhand Strike, Higher ADM, Critical and Accuracy rate, Higher Main hand Proc chance (due to crit), and not about procing PA and Bleed at the same time.
- Bleed doesn't work fast enough in DW with light setup.

But, things might not be the same as mine because your LV is much higher than me, enemy might move as fast as you and the bleed might work well, or you might already have very high evade & crit rate or do more damage enough to use sword effectively. I can't really say... Just try it out. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

No more block but considerable parry so I can still grind my way up to the final levels of arenas without giving much attention to the screen.

Watch out Magic attack.

Im a shield fag but now I want to have some extra damage. But I want to keep my rapier in my mainhand.
Do you guys think it would make sense to use a nice bleed/proc/parry shortswort in my offhand instead of my shield?

If it's on normal difficulty, use an high damage, moderate bleed axe or high damage dagger, I prefer the dagger. I can kill any normal monster with 1 turn, and the mini-bosses go in 2 turns if PA procs, plus having an extra parry.

- Bleed doesn't work fast enough in DW with light setup.

My idea was to kill all normal mobs in one hit thanks to offhand strike. Bleed to kill Legendarys faster.
End of Days will come soon... (IMG:[img209.imageshack.us] http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6084/augen.gif)

Watch out Magic attack.

Only Toddlerguro really hurts. Bosses and Legendarys are silenced.

If it's on normal difficulty, use an high damage, moderate bleed axe or high damage dagger, I prefer the dagger. I can kill any normal monster with 1 turn, and the mini-bosses go in 2 turns if PA procs, plus having an extra parry.

Are there any good high parry, high bleed daggers?
Too bad cmals warehouse is closed.
One hit killing shitmobs should not be a problem no matter what I use. In ~10 days I will activate Demon Duality.

I dunno.
I think in general you guys are right. But let's say you had a perfect Shortsword.. That would be an entirely different matter, no?
Equipment Numbers are kind of incomplete though.

Shortsword 1 has 12.12 Parry @300. I highly doubt that is the max..

For arguments sake let's say he got a shortsword like this:

Legendary Prism Shortsword of Puffy Clouds of Awesome
Weapon Damage Type Slashing
Attack Damage Multiplier + 43.66 %
Attack Accuracy Bonus + 30.76 %
Attack Critical Bonus + 7.56 %
Parry Chance + 10.65 %
Burden + 9.35
Interference + 7.68
Primary Attribute Bonuses
Strength + 5.4 Dexterity + 5.71
Hit Proc: 24% chance for Bleeding Wound
Duration: 4 turns / Damage: 284 per tick

Level 215 / Slot: 1handed / Type: One-handed weapon
Current Owner: Ichy

I think it could easily replace an axe. But it's legendary material. So good luck finding one. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

@ Ichy

I have no experience about Legendary marathon yet, but...

IMO, If you're aim for bleed, it's usually better to go "all the way" ... Use High ADM / Bleed Axe or a nice Sword Chucks if you could find one, and forget Parry altogether for the sake of speed. That said, It also depend on what gear you have..

I think you focus too much on the offhand's bleed... please try to keep in mind that your offhand can do more than just bleed the legendary.

@ Death Grunty

lol

This is probably the overall best sword I have

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0ae9019d30

This might be better for bleed in offhand

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=02d71cb0b9

I will probably went with the Chucks in these situation, however.

This post has been edited by buktore: Nov 13 2010, 19:24

My idea was to kill all normal mobs in one hit thanks to offhand strike. Bleed to kill Legendarys faster.
End of Days will come soon... (IMG:[img209.imageshack.us] http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6084/augen.gif)
Only Toddlerguro really hurts. Bosses and Legendarys are silenced.
Are there any good high parry, high bleed daggers?
Too bad cmals warehouse is closed.
One hit killing shitmobs should not be a problem no matter what I use. In ~10 days I will activate Demon Duality.

Then look for a high damage dagger then, they are the ones with high bleed normally.
Don't worry too much about parry, I mean you only "need" enough protection for regen been able to keep up the damage taken.
Btw you can't clear EoD with high damage as you think.

But let's say you had a perfect Shortsword.. That would be an entirely different matter, no?

Yes, but I didn't saw anyone yet, the thing is, they usually give a little more damage output, and bleeding, but much less parry.

I will probably went with the Chucks in these situation, however.

Try on higher difficulties, because parry is nice, crit isn't all the thing.
Still I wouldn't use a shortsword.

because parry is nice, crit isn't all the thing.

Maybe.. I probably go with the usual (dagger) first if I manage to play to that point and learn from that.

Anyway, how much Offhand Strike and Critical chance to expect around lv 180-200?

Anyway, how much Offhand Strike and Critical chance to expect around lv 180-200?

It all depends on the gear you use, but I'd say crit is around 17-18%, and the off-hand strike you should already know, if you don't let DW proficiency much behind, 50% chance.

Then look for a high damage dagger then, they are the ones with high bleed normally.
Don't worry too much about parry, I mean you only "need" enough protection for regen been able to keep up the damage taken.

You sure I cant? With DD, a load of Mana Elixirs and a ridiculous pile of infusions of darkness/Divinity it may work out. has not used infusions for... ~150 levels
If this fails I will have to learn a spell (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

For arguments sake let's say he got a shortsword like this:

[www.hentaiverse.org] This has basically the same BW and decent Parry without any suffix boosts. Couple that with a Slaughter suffix and it would be pretty good. Not that I'm qualified to give advice on DW setups, since I only ever use Axe+Rapier against Legendaries.

You sure I cant? With DD, a load of Mana Elixirs and a ridiculous pile of infusions of darkness/Divinity it may work out. has not used infusions for... ~150 levels
If this fails I will have to learn a spell (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Lol forgot that.
40 1 You hit Yuki Nagato for 869 piercing damage.

45 1 You hit Yuki Nagato for 1644 holy damage.

Probably it can be done, since you reduce by half the number of turns.

Edit: Erm, not sure, but legendaries are weak to soul damage:
71 1 You hit Ryouko Asakura for 1577 soul damage.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Nov 13 2010, 22:22

Use Infusion of Darkness, it reduce Mikuru & Yuki SP Attack to something survivable. Its also increase damage done to them.

I do this all the time when I'm bored, go in RoB, pop a few infusions, rape school girls, profit!

Use Infusion of Darkness, it reduce Mikuru & Yuki SP Attack to something survivable. Its also increase damage done to them.

I do this all the time when I'm bored, go in RoB, pop a few infusions, rape school girls, profit!

IIRC Infusion of darkness increase dark rating by 50%, so that also means that increase dark mitigation by 25%. That's not enough to ensure 100% survival, more now that apparently monsters hit harder now.

I got hit by Yuki spirit attack twice within this week, both did 1,600 damage (me = 2,600 HP)

I will try again after the cooldown.

I got hit by Yuki spirit attack twice within this week, both did 1,600 damage (me = 2,600 HP)

I will try again after the cooldown.

Without any mitigation gear or infusions, I usually survive to Yuki's Spirit attack you know?
The problem is, and you're restarting a debate I had with Boggyb months ago, (IIRC he was killed once even with +25%) were talking about the high end of a hit which is close to a low crit, and have higher probability to be seem over 76/4= 19 Yukis on average, plus without using SV than watching a couple of hits in a week.
If you're interested confirm with Boggyb.

Anyway, this is a problem that can be solved with scrolls of warning, since you'll get another 25% mitigation, aside the mitigation from the infusion of darkness.

I think you're right, just went to test with IPU with 0% Holy mit and it seem to reduced damage by about 25%

Maybe that one heavy piece I wear help me to survive! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Maybe that one heavy piece I wear help me to survive! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

What heavy piece? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

i have this rapier in main hand, and i think is fine, but i just don't know what is better in off hand between this sword and this axe

someone said me the sword but seeing what you are saying i have a new doubt between them

This post has been edited by tribalspirit: Nov 14 2010, 00:01

i have this rapier in main hand, and i think is fine, but i just don't know what is better in off hand between this sword and this axe

someone said me the sword but seeing what you are saying i have a new doubt between them

The sword, the reason it's because the difference between the sword and axe in terms of damage output in kinda the same, but parry let's you survive longer.

Actually in terms of Grinding, the offhand with more parry offers always more survival, despite whatever "power" you can get with another one with less parry.
But when you're talking about legendaries, it's a different matter since, they have an huge HP, you need to cast several spells, and usually it's one on one, so in this case high damage wins, because okilling faster means less turns, and less recasts.
Other reason for using high damage is because it's faster to clear rounds, and that means more xp.

@ tribalspirit

Your LV still to low to see much different except you'll die faster using the axe.

What heavy piece? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

It's just a Gauntlet, nothing special. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) it's not meant to be taken seriously.

This post has been edited by buktore: Nov 14 2010, 00:31