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i had to reset this staff something like 10 times before i succeeded at getting economizer at level 1.
luckily i've managed to get economizer 4 by level 4 and after a scary endurance 1 at level 5 i've got the final point into economizer at level 6.
it was a pain in the ass but it was worth it.

Luckily (so far), I managed to get econ2 on my 4th level up on this just now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

are you melee or mages ?
if mages , i think it's better to use ET to gain mana (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

I'm in a mid-life crisis & suffering from a weight issue atm. Maging to play quicker & squeeze in more rounds, but still holding dear to melee (more light/ less heavy). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

When you mage you do both because you need to attack to proc ET (gathers OC for the mage). But since the Mage is glassy as hell, they also need to Soul Reap like a mad man whereas the Melee should be covered (carry more spirit potions since they shouldn't have many mana problems)

Haven't invested into the soul spells yet. I'll do a reset when I get to lvl 250. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

i don't use any spirit potion in IWBTH eternal darkness ( sometimes use one pot ) but burn alot of my mana pot even using focus per 2-3 rounds (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
maybe i need to upgrade my IA (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I need to seriously save up for IA1. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

when i use focus at the start of the turn, monsters get a free turn.
and then i have to heal which negates the point of using focus to save on mana.

am i doing it wrong? without the mana shard that drop in battle, i run out of mana at the 25th round and from then on it's just relying on mana shards drops and using mana pots.

this is at heroic( my normal difficulty where rounds last 2-3 turns if none or resisted)

without ether tap i last the first 20 rounds before running out of mana, with ehter tap is 25 rounds as i mentioned.

oh i'm a holy/elec mage, banish (20mp)/chain lightning(14?mp), Mp pool at 543. int 195, wis 168.

Luckily (so far), I managed to get econ2 on my 4th level up on this just now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

it doesn't look good.
you have unlocked 3 different potencies, your chances of maxing out economizer aren't that high.
good luck anyway.

when i use focus at the start of the turn, monsters get a free turn.
and then i have to heal which negates the point of using focus to save on mana.

am i doing it wrong? without the mana shard that drop in battle, i run out of mana at the 25th round and from then on it's just relying on mana shards drops and using mana pots.

this is at heroic( my normal difficulty where rounds last 2-3 turns if none or resisted)

without ether tap i last the first 20 rounds before running out of mana, with ehter tap is 25 rounds as i mentioned.

oh i'm a holy/elec mage, banish (20mp)/chain lightning(14?mp), Mp pool at 543. int 195, wis 168.

you don't focus in random situations.
i use focus when i have a full overcharge there is only one monster alive under sleep.

I... am a idiot.

I am currently using a shortsword/dagger build in order to increase the DW proficiency for using Niten later.

And I just realised that, with the slow as hell increase of DW and 2H profficiencies, and my limited alaivable time (DW proff at 9.X after 5 days), I am chasing after an illusion. I should rather concentrate exclusively on a two-handed weapon and make it my end-game.

If profficiency leveling is the slowest variable in overall leveling, I shouldn't try to grind two of them.

If you had the choice between, say, one longsword doing 300 damage, and another elemental longsword doing 200 damage, which would you choose? (your power armor add about 100 damage)



From what I see on the wiki, end-game has some waves with over 30 enemies. How do you guys manage not to get cornered right from the start into deseperate heal-spamming in IWBTH mode against that kind of incoming damage?

Since its not a Plate of Protection piece, what is the reasonable value for this piece?

I... am a idiot.

I am currently using a shortsword/dagger build in order to increase the DW proficiency for using Niten later.

And I just realised that, with the slow as hell increase of DW and 2H profficiencies, and my limited alaivable time (DW proff at 9.X after 5 days), I am chasing after an illusion. I should rather concentrate exclusively on a two-handed weapon and make it my end-game.

If profficiency leveling is the slowest variable in overall leveling, I shouldn't try to grind two of them.

If you had the choice between, say, one longsword doing 300 damage, and another elemental longsword doing 200 damage, which would you choose? (your power armor add about 100 damage)
From what I see on the wiki, end-game has some waves with over 30 enemies. How do you guys manage not to get cornered right from the start into deseperate heal-spamming in IWBTH mode against that kind of incoming damage?

If you do lots of FSM on high difficuluties, it might be worth grinding DW to get its tier 3 skill, otherwise, I'd say that Mace/Estoc 2H is still fine endgame over DW.

I... am a idiot.

I am currently using a shortsword/dagger build in order to increase the DW proficiency for using Niten later.

And I just realised that, with the slow as hell increase of DW and 2H profficiencies, and my limited alaivable time (DW proff at 9.X after 5 days), I am chasing after an illusion. I should rather concentrate exclusively on a two-handed weapon and make it my end-game.

If profficiency leveling is the slowest variable in overall leveling, I shouldn't try to grind two of them.

If you had the choice between, say, one longsword doing 300 damage, and another elemental longsword doing 200 damage, which would you choose? (your power armor add about 100 damage)
From what I see on the wiki, end-game has some waves with over 30 enemies. How do you guys manage not to get cornered right from the start into deseperate heal-spamming in IWBTH mode against that kind of incoming damage?

Things to know. When you are at a higher level it is much easier to grind proficiencies because the lower they are compared to your level, the easier it will be to get better at it. Take me for example, I started 1H until I got to 100 prof, then I went DW till I got 100 prof and finally I did 2H till 100 prof. After that, I kept leveling up 2H and DW for a while until I felt I was good enough for Niten. These days, I do low stuff on DW and then everything else on Niten, not much on 2H until I get the ultimate weapon there. Anyways, point is, you should stick to one right now and then when you are a high level then you could do two of them.

So you're going 2H? Want a free weapon? What do you want, high damage or something with balance or...?

Waves have a max of 10 enemies and at one point you can get an ability called Haste. At first I thought it sucked but now I see it is great. It allows you to attack faster so you can take actions before some monsters do and possibly several more actions before the monster even does one. So haste, good to invest in.

If you had the choice between, say, one longsword doing 300 damage, and another elemental longsword doing 200 damage, which would you choose? (your power armor add about 100 damage)
From what I see on the wiki, end-game has some waves with over 30 enemies. How do you guys manage not to get cornered right from the start into deseperate heal-spamming in IWBTH mode against that kind of incoming damage?

In general you shouldn't go for longswords. They're pretty much worthless, even the better ones. Still, its best to go for an Ethereal weapon as opposed to anything else. The void damage isn't reduced by slashing mitigation or elemental mit so your damage output should go up if you get one. I have some longswords and I can give you one if you're dead set on using longswords.

What SPoison said was right though. Stick with one for now. I stuck with DW from level 1-240 and now I'm currently transitioning to 2H. Going at around 6-10 points per normalfest runs (350-400 rounds) so its decently fast once you're able to grind better.

IWBTH probably only becomes doable with high PMI and all your buffs. SS is immensely important because it saves you from the spirit attacks that would otherwise oneshot you. All I know is that 70% PMI is only enough to get me through 30 rounds.

In general you shouldn't go for longswords. They're pretty much worthless, even the better ones. Still, its best to go for an Ethereal weapon as opposed to anything else. The void damage isn't reduced by slashing mitigation or elemental mit so your damage output should go up if you get one. I have some longswords and I can give you one if you're dead set on using longswords.

What SPoison said was right though. Stick with one for now. I stuck with DW from level 1-240 and now I'm currently transitioning to 2H. Going at around 6-10 points per normalfest runs (350-400 rounds) so its decently fast once you're able to grind better.

IWBTH probably only becomes doable with high PMI and all your buffs. SS is immensely important because it saves you from the spirit attacks that would otherwise oneshot you. All I know is that 70% PMI is only enough to get me through 30 rounds.

My 69.8% only gets me through 12-14 rounds. Looks like I need at least 100% PMI to get through IWTBH.

My 69.8% only gets me through 12-14 rounds. Looks like I need at least 100% PMI to get through IWTBH.

That, or you go into a crude item world and grind out levels/get gear on IWBTH. You never know. Might get lucky.

Scrolls also make IWBTH much easier and I could probably do up to the 100 arena if I just spammed them. Still, it gets costly depending on your kill speed (DW not that great for multiple mobs, and since you're a mace user it'll be even slower) and not worth it IMHO at our level. Once I get my estoc and 2H proficiency up to par maybe it'll become a possibility.

70 % PMI is probably with assumption you have such PMI in power slaughter armour. Plate of protection simply won't do with all these high level chaosed monsters.

5k for exquisite cotton? No way. Even exquisite second tier will rarely reach over 4k (only the highest pxp exquisite 2nd tiers will). Plus the mg is worth about 1k so you are out less than you think. One HG cotton will net you about 25-30k so you will always come out on top eventually from salvaging exquisite first tiers like cotton. Anyway, as for legendary giving mg, I know it has happened before TenB made getting higher quality tiers easier, but has anybody salvaged a legendary recently and gotten a mg (like in the last month)?

i've just shrined a 348 mag and i thought of this post.
mid grade metal, ffs...

i've just shrined a 348 mag and i thought of this post.
mid grade metal, ffs...

I think its only giving out mids right now. I shrined eight exquisites and got only mids.

Edit_ shrined two exq plate and a dagger, still mids.

This post has been edited by Nightwishman: May 5 2013, 02:48

i've just shrined a 348 mag and i thought of this post.
mid grade metal, ffs...

I salvaged a ~356 legendary yesterday and got a mid-grade. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Sometimes it feels like tier also matters, but my sample size is too small to tell.

I salvaged a ~356 legendary yesterday and got a mid-grade. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Sometimes it feels like tier also matters, but my sample size is too small to tell.

I don't think tier matters, I've sgrined a few scythes, oak, katalox, rapiers, and two exquisite phases and 5 gossamer now, (never shrined a power) execpt for the one 331 mag oak, they were all mids. I get highs from exq longswords so far, and from a willow staff. But agian, small sample size and crap luck.

I salvaged a ~356 legendary yesterday and got a mid-grade. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Sometimes it feels like tier also matters, but my sample size is too small to tell.

Thanks, I was curious about whether this could still happen. Anyway, I just salvaged a 340 mag and got a mg too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) . To me it seems as if the low range of mid-grades was increased a lot, but the low range of high-grades not so much. Anyway, given the price of hg mats in the WTB you still come out in the black from salvaging exquisite+ tier ones and even tier twos, imo.

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: May 5 2013, 03:37

Since its not a Plate of Protection piece, what is the reasonable value for this piece?

Any opinions?

The low range chance for HG did drop, that doesn't mean it's a sure, or even likely thing. Prior to the change I don't remember getting HG at 320-330.

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So you're going 2H? Want a free weapon? What do you want, high damage or something with balance or...?

Waves have a max of 10 enemies and at one point you can get an ability called Haste. At first I thought it sucked but now I see it is great. It allows you to attack faster so you can take actions before some monsters do and possibly several more actions before the monster even does one. So haste, good to invest in.

Free weapon? Thanks for offering, but my ego would be hurt if I started asking for things and not offering anything in return (I already said I'm an idiot, right?).

However, If you're willing to trade, that's another matter.
My current best 2H weapon is that one: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=fa0a998811
My DW weapons are http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=14df2c1e89 (more damage that my best 2H, go figure) and http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=29c21835b6 (good parry and speed, I think)

Maybe one of them is worth something?
And I have about 15k credit.

I am primarily interested in high-damage elemental/ethereal 2H weapons, with a very slight preference for Scythes (the "Red" trailer and fond memories of dismenbering things left, right and center in Ninja Gaiden are responsible for that)

Haste is indeed very good, I don't regret putting 5 points on it. And I just unlocked regen, which help with my very limited mana pool (244).

In general you shouldn't go for longswords. They're pretty much worthless, even the better ones. Still, its best to go for an Ethereal weapon as opposed to anything else. The void damage isn't reduced by slashing mitigation or elemental mit so your damage output should go up if you get one. I have some longswords and I can give you one if you're dead set on using longswords.

I took longswords only as an exemple because i saw two with those kind of numbers on sale in the bazaar, and couldn't determine which would be more useful. I'm aware of advantages of Ethereal weapons, but I just don't have the money to even consider one at this point. So I make do one Elemental ones.

What SPoison said was right though. Stick with one for now. I stuck with DW from level 1-240 and now I'm currently transitioning to 2H. Going at around 6-10 points per normalfest runs (350-400 rounds) so its decently fast once you're able to grind better.

IWBTH probably only becomes doable with high PMI and all your buffs. SS is immensely important because it saves you from the spirit attacks that would otherwise oneshot you. All I know is that 70% PMI is only enough to get me through 30 rounds.

350-400 rounds?
*gasp*
I'm starting to get bored after about 70 rounds, and out of battle items after 100.
Do you have your slots full of godly mana pots to have that much staying power?
And I just learned, thanks to this thread, that 100% PMI was possible. I tought end-game values couldn't go much above 70-75%.



Anyway, thanks to you guys for the advice.

I haven't played in like 5-6 months and I feel like they buffed the crap out of every monsters

Are estocs/heavy still preferred over mace/light?