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post Apr 27 2013, 09:50
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QUOTE(Maria Sakurai @ Apr 27 2013, 11:49) *

If my main element is elec.
What combo skill shold I use?
wind+ elec or elec+fire

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post Apr 27 2013, 10:11
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which one is better?
Exquisite Katalox Staff of the Demon-fiend
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Magnificent Katalox Staff of Focus

Should i buy one of them now or wait for other better?
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post Apr 27 2013, 10:42
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QUOTE(hujan86 @ Apr 26 2013, 18:52) *

Just curious. Is the number of hits proportional or inversely proportional to the number of mobs?


Yes, it's completely random. Also the wiki is outdated, it's been nerfed a bit. It never goes above 20 hits now.
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post Apr 27 2013, 11:34
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How do you link your items onto forums to sell?
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post Apr 27 2013, 11:35
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QUOTE(Yami-­chan @ Apr 27 2013, 01:11) *

which one is better?
Exquisite Katalox Staff of the Demon-fiend
or
Magnificent Katalox Staff of Focus

Should i buy one of them now or wait for other better?


The magnificent one should help you out more at your current level, because it has some Mana Conservation and higher Magic Accuracy. The exquisite staff is better for damage (particularly dark damage, which you don't have yet), but what good is damage if your spells can't connect with the target? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Just don't break the bank on whichever staff you choose. You could probably get a serviceable oak staff for much less than whatever katalox staffs go for -- check the free shops in the WTS section. You'll go through a number of staffs before you settle on one for long-term use.

QUOTE(tedd c @ Apr 27 2013, 02:34) *

How do you link your items onto forums to sell?


Hover your mouse cursor over an item and press the "c" key on your keyboard. A pop-up window with the item's stats will appear and you'll be able to get the URL from the address bar.

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post Apr 27 2013, 11:43
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Thanks.

Another question, does anyone know how much of a difference the tier 1 and 2 elemental spells are? Is it worth it using twice the amount of mp for the extra damage? For example snowstorm and blizzard?
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post Apr 27 2013, 12:08
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QUOTE(tedd c @ Apr 27 2013, 02:43) *

Thanks.

Another question, does anyone know how much of a difference the tier 1 and 2 elemental spells are? Is it worth it using twice the amount of mp for the extra damage? For example snowstorm and blizzard?


Tier 2 AoE elemental spells do 1.5 times more damage than their lower tier counterparts. http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spell_Damage

It just depends on whether or not the additional damage is warranted. If tier 1 spells are just as safe and effective, then it's better to use them because their MP consumption is lower. If you're in the shit and are worried that you won't survive another round of damage, then a higher tier spell will probably be better, in hopes that it will take out enough enemies.

You can also use tier 1 and 2 spells in tandem. For example, start a round by casting a tier 1 AoE, and follow that up by casting the complementary tier 2 AoE on a target with Coalesced Mana, which will halve its MP cost. After that, clean up the stragglers with more tier 1 spells, Magic Missile, or Arcane Blow.
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post Apr 27 2013, 12:36
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Mm, past lv200, are estocs or DW better for IWBTH?
(DW club + rapier)

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post Apr 27 2013, 12:44
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These are my equipment:

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e621920af3

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=44a4b6d800

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=61523141b7

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6be0e1c872

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=15853c19f7 (i will change this as soon as impossible)


Are they ok?

Can i start getting hole/dark at my current level or wait ultil lv 150 as HV advice tell.

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post Apr 27 2013, 13:04
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QUOTE(Okkkama @ Apr 27 2013, 17:36) *

Mm, past lv200, are estocs or DW better for IWBTH?
(DW club + rapier)


Better than what? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Apr 27 2013, 13:05
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QUOTE(Maria Sakurai @ Apr 27 2013, 09:49) *

If my main element is elec.
What combo skill shold I use?
wind+ elec or elec+fire

If your main element is elec (like I was); then you want wind + elec.

X% increase to your most damaging spell vs X% increase of your low damage spell

besides if you use fire, you have to open elec, then cast fire...because opening fire doesn't benefit elec...
its better to use cheapest aoe wind, then go to town with best elec on mob with Coalesced Mana.

on a side note. funny thing is I haven't used my elec kit in a long time. but I do use a freyr kit that is way worse than my electric kit... because after my abp reset, the only elemental spell I keep is Storm of Njord... for konata...

QUOTE(tedd c @ Apr 27 2013, 11:43) *

Thanks.

Another question, does anyone know how much of a difference the tier 1 and 2 elemental spells are? Is it worth it using twice the amount of mp for the extra damage? For example snowstorm and blizzard?


there will always be a is a time and place for both T1+2+3.
Damage multiplier : base cost
Elemental T1 AoE 0.912 : 12 = 0.0760 / per cost
Elemental T2 AoE 1.368 : 27 = 0.0507 / per cost
Elemental T3 AoE 1.824 : 39 = 0.0468 / per cost

as long as you can kill efficiently with t1 spells (like normalfesting) then its better to T1, more chances to get Coalesced Mana/ether tap/more proficiency exp/lower mana. even at high levels you will use a cheap spell to "setup" your big spells with Coalesced Mana/lower resist.

and you will eventually hit the point where mobs start doing enough damage, where its cheaper to cast T3 then cure/recast SoL/spirit pots(all while losing duration on buffs)
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post Apr 27 2013, 13:26
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QUOTE(buktore @ Apr 27 2013, 13:04) *

Better than what? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


Sorry for being vague. I was asking which of the 2, estocs or DW(club+rapier), would be better for
IWBTH rounds after lv200.
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post Apr 27 2013, 13:29
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QUOTE(Okkkama @ Apr 27 2013, 03:26) *

Sorry for being vague. I was asking which of the 2, estocs or DW(club+rapier), would be better for
IWBTH rounds after lv200.


It depends on your set-up for each. But if you want the general answer, DW is better for RoB, short arenas, and the first few schoolgirl arenas. Estoc is better for the rest.

Still, you can do whatever you want really. Estoc is fastest in most arenas, but I still use DW in all of them.

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post Apr 27 2013, 13:42
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QUOTE(letmegitdat @ Apr 27 2013, 11:05) *

If your main element is elec (like I was); then you want wind + elec.

X% increase to your most damaging spell vs X% increase of your low damage spell

besides if you use fire, you have to open elec, then cast fire...because opening fire doesn't benefit elec...
its better to use cheapest aoe wind, then go to town with best elec on mob with Coalesced Mana.

on a side note. funny thing is I haven't used my elec kit in a long time. but I do use a freyr kit that is way worse than my electric kit... because after my abp reset, the only elemental spell I keep is Storm of Njord... for konata...
there will always be a is a time and place for both T1+2+3.
Damage multiplier : base cost
Elemental T1 AoE 0.912 : 12 = 0.0760 / per cost
Elemental T2 AoE 1.368 : 27 = 0.0507 / per cost
Elemental T3 AoE 1.824 : 39 = 0.0468 / per cost

as long as you can kill efficiently with t1 spells (like normalfesting) then its better to T1, more chances to get Coalesced Mana/ether tap/more proficiency exp/lower mana. even at high levels you will use a cheap spell to "setup" your big spells with Coalesced Mana/lower resist.

and you will eventually hit the point where mobs start doing enough damage, where its cheaper to cast T3 then cure/recast SoL/spirit pots(all while losing duration on buffs)


i mostly disagree with what you wrote.

if you are a monoelemental mage you should start with your main element most of the times.
having reduced res and elemental explosion for the second cast looks tasty but unless you are in a mode where monsters don't do much damage, like a IWBTH IW of a crude equip it's better to open with the most damaging spell in order to kill at least some of the monsters in one go.
of course if you are doing normfest you might want to start with the T1 of the element before your main one in order to get coalescent mana and save potions in the first 200 rounds of GF, but in normal situations it's better to open with the main element T3 in my opinion.
also, using a T1 spell to open won't maximize your damage output since the chance of applying the elemental status effect with a T1 spell is just about 25%, where it goes up to 50% with T2, 75% with T3 and 100% with T4 (only ragnarock is T4 so that's not really our concern since we are talking about elemental).

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post Apr 27 2013, 13:44
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Apr 27 2013, 18:29) *

It depends on your set-up for each.


This. Plus how good your gears are for each sets and how you like to play the game— whether it's fun-but-stupid, not-fun-and-stupid, safe-but-slow, fast-but-risky, or I-have-no-life godly kind of feel ... It's up to you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Using Estoc in IWBTH do required you to have a fairly strong gear, however... Otherwise you'll have to be very careful about what enemy to attack when facing lots of monster at once.

I wonder if Mace + Rending blow would still be a viable tactics nowadays...? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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post Apr 27 2013, 14:12
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QUOTE(Yami-­chan @ Apr 27 2013, 10:44) *


pretty decent items.
you will want to get a more damaging staff and get economizer5 on it to get back the 25% mana conservation, but the one you are using is great for now.
get rid of the cotton items, yes, even the gloves, and get gossamers of the elementalist if you cannot find phases.

also, please tell me how to use two robes. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Apr 27 2013, 14:34
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@Malenk
QUOTE(letmegitdat @ Apr 27 2013, 13:05) *

If your main element is elec (like I was); then you want wind + elec.

X% increase to your most damaging spell vs X% increase of your low damage spell

besides if you use fire, you have to open elec, then cast fire...because opening fire doesn't benefit elec...
its better to use cheapest aoe wind, then go to town with best elec on mob with Coalesced Mana.

on a side note. funny thing is I haven't used my elec kit in a long time. but I do use a freyr kit that is way worse than my electric kit... because after my abp reset, the only elemental spell I keep is Storm of Njord... for konata...
there will always be a is a time and place for both T1+2+3.
Damage multiplier : base cost
Elemental T1 AoE 0.912 : 12 = 0.0760 / per cost
Elemental T2 AoE 1.368 : 27 = 0.0507 / per cost
Elemental T3 AoE 1.824 : 39 = 0.0468 / per cost

as long as you can kill efficiently with t1 spells (like normalfesting) then its better to T1, more chances to get Coalesced Mana/ether tap/more proficiency exp/lower mana. even at high levels you will use a cheap spell to "setup" your big spells with Coalesced Mana/lower resist.

and you will eventually hit the point where mobs start doing enough damage, where its cheaper to cast T3 then cure/recast SoL/spirit pots(all while losing duration on buffs)


it was my opinion, on "wind+elec vs elec+fire".

I did not say opening with secondary is better than primary... what I said was there is low synergy between light/fire... please re-read it...

basically I said what you said...

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post Apr 27 2013, 15:01
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QUOTE(letmegitdat @ Apr 27 2013, 12:34) *

@Malenk
I did not say opening with secondary is better than primary... what I said was there is low synergy between light/fire... please re-read it...

basically I said what you said...


well, i'm not an english native speaker but it seemed clear enough to me.

you said that it was better to open with the T1 aoe before your main element instead of opening with your main element and then going for the next one.
If your main element is elec (like I was); then you want wind + elec.

i think that save for particular situations, like when your main concern is saving mana and you can shrug off the incoming damage, this is the wrong way to go since leaving all the enemies alive and attacking you back in order to have a more powerful nuke on your second cast doesn't seem a smart idea.
X% increase to your most damaging spell vs X% increase of your low damage spell
also, if you open with a T1 the chance of getting the elemental status effect is really low (25%) so you won't actually get any damage increase against most of the monsters.

maybe it was you that couldn't explain yourself well enough. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Apr 27 2013, 15:42
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Should i change my current staff
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e621920af3

for this ?
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=76ccf34c1d (about 60k c)
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post Apr 27 2013, 15:49
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WHat style of fighting can give more dps , 2-h ? and what kind of armor should i use ?
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