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i have a few noodles and two galanthuses to shrine.
any suggestion about what i should i shrine them for?

going for heavy armor looks the safest pick since both tiers are useful and the ratio between good/useful suffixes and useless ones is decent.

since i mostly mage my wet dream is a good staff or piece of phase though.

going cloth armor is not as safe as heavy since if i get cloth it's salvage/bazaar for sure, but the other two tiers only have two useless suffixes (deprecating and supportive proficiencies on gossamer) so if i manage to overcome the tier hurdle i should have good chances of something decent or even good.

i feel that going for staff is the route with the highest risk since i will likely end with a lot of redwood crap.

damn i cannot make up my mind.

You could always sell.

Or not use at all, waiting for patch of doom.

tenboro said you cannot get tier 1 with galanthus. That said, most gossamer is pretty bad anyway and you're lucky if you get 50k for exq elemental phase. Let's not even speak about focus on staff......

didn't know about that.
that's good to know. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
i guess i will shrine them for staves then, since redwood, oak and willow are all tier 1 i should get guaranteed katalox. unless the wiki is wrong... is it?
out of all the six possible suffixes only focus sucks dick so the chances are not bad on that part too.
my favorite combo would be legendary demonic/hallowed of destruction of course. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
(if i ever get a LDKD i will buy a IW service from HTTP just for the lulz)

i know that elemental isn't that good, but still not useless.
in an elemental setup i whould throw in a elemental gossamer instead of going full phase. that if it's a mono elemental setup, on a dual elemental i don't think i would.
of course i'd like heaven-sent or demon-fiend a lot more.

You could always sell.

nah 10/3 hath each is good but i can just grind a bit and get them, i think i will try my luck, at least with the easter trophies.

Or not use at all, waiting for patch of doom.

didn't think about that.
did tenboro let slip anything about changes in the equipment department? (like 4 PABs on staves)

didn't know about that.
that's good to know. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
i guess i will shrine them for staves then, since redwood, oak and willow are all tier 1 i should get guaranteed katalox. unless the wiki is wrong... is it?
out of all the six possible suffixes only focus sucks dick so the chances are not bad on that part too.
my favorite combo would be legendary demonic/hallowed of destruction of course. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
(if i ever get a LDKD i will buy a IW service from HTTP just for the lulz)

i know that elemental isn't that good, but still not useless.
in an elemental setup i whould throw in a elemental gossamer instead of going full phase. that if it's a mono elemental setup, on a dual elemental i don't think i would.
of course i'd like heaven-sent or demon-fiend a lot more.
nah 10/3 hath each is good but i can just grind a bit and get them, i think i will try my luck, at least with the easter trophies.
didn't think about that.
did tenboro let slip anything about changes in the equipment department? (like 4 PABs on staves)

i think oak and willow is tier 2 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

i think oak and willow is tier 2 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

they are all listed under tier 1 here:
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/equipment
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died at IWBTH growing storm using eth scythe as main weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

i get slaughter so damn fast (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

i think scythe is best to use at normalfest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


time to hunt eth estoc (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
( kinda boring playing only using DW , need something new ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

tenboro said you cannot get tier 1 with galanthus.

Why did I get plate then? I guess it does not count as tier 1 when shrining?

Because there's no tier 2.

the tier is determined by roll>is tier3?>is tier2?>then it's tier1.

Since there's no longer shield armor.....

Because there's no tier 2.

the tier is determined by roll>is tier3?>is tier2?>then it's tier1.

Since there's no longer shield armor.....

oh, so if i shrine for staff i won't get a guaranteed katalox?
looks like i will shrine for cloth or melee weapons then :S

Check https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...p;#entry2558785 for Willow/oak, iirc they're honorary tier 2. But even if they weren't, yes, you wouldn't get guaranteed katalox so it's better that way. But hey, better hallowed oak than phase of niflheim.

This post has been edited by Lement: Apr 22 2013, 18:08

Hey Maggie, this thing doesn't even track skill damage … like it didn't when I tried it last year.

Battle stat from using Rending Blow, Shatter Strike, and Attack. (Once each.)
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This post has been edited by aurabolt: Apr 22 2013, 20:29

Check https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...p;#entry2558785 for Willow/oak, iirc they're honorary tier 2. But even if they weren't, yes, you wouldn't get guaranteed katalox so it's better that way. But hey, better hallowed oak than phase of niflheim.

well, if i get an oak that isn't hallowed of heimdall or a willow that isn't demonic of destruction i can just toss them.

shrining for cloth i don't have to mind the prefixes so much in order to get something decent.
sure, if i get nifleim it sucks, but an exq+ heimdall/fenrir would be good even without a prefix (i don't count the mitigations as prefixes) if the EDB roll is good (and the other rolls aren't shit) and a freyr/mjolnir still wouldn't be useless.
if i get tier2 i still have two suffixes out of five that are good and one that is not garbage to fall on.
i think i like my chances better.

as for melee weapons i can rule out longswords, shortswords and daggers...
all the t2 and t3 melee weapons are useful even if not all of them are popular.

decisions, decisions... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Hey Maggie, this thing doesn't even track skill damage … like it didn't when I tried it last year.

Battle stat from using Rending Blow, Shattered Strike, and Attack. (Once each.)
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Really, Maggie? You couldn't use Mags, or just type the same number of letters out?

Maybe I should call you rabo.

Well, that could be a problem, then. I did as we agreed, and while I did manage to survive about 14 more rounds using skills, I also seemed to have picked up a heckuva lot more powerups, especially mana gems (myst have been more than 10 throughout the 67 rounds). Damage seemed consistent across both runs; hardly any difference.

I did, however, sustain more damage when using skills than in SS. And in SS, the rounds finished faster (as did my potions, due to shitty gem drops).

Death in both cases was due to spark failure; the Stanced battle series, I ran out of SP and a critter critted me hard. The skill battle series was due to stupidity; I allowed my mana to drop below 10% (ran out of pots), Stanced to cast SoL, and got potted.

Look, this going back-and-forth has been going on for a while now, and if the stat tracker isn't even giving us the necessary data to crunch, we'll have to go back to our instincts.

My instincts tell me that NEITHER a mechanical 'just go into Stance' approach, NOR a mechanical 'just blow OC on skills' approach works better than the other. You HAVE to judiciously use Spirit Stance AND Skills to get the most effective OC consumption possible. When not using Estoc, that is.

Can we agree on that?

(For everyone following at home, here's the story so far:

---begin transmission---

v31 wants to know how he can make his character in HV more powerful.

Nightwishman, amongst other advice, tells him to build up OC tanks, on the premise that Spirit Stance is important to melees and makes everything die faster.

aurabolt takes exception at this advice, and says never to use SS unless wielding rapier/estoc, but rather to burn OC on skills instead.

(Worth noting that in either case, OC tanks are still the way to go, only the rationale changes)

xmagus takes exception at this advice, and says 'never' is a stupid word to use, and that SS comes in handy, if for no other reason than to double the Skills damage.

(Worth noting that that's me.)

T_Starrk explains rabo didn't mean 'never' when he wrote 'never', he just meant 'never use SS exclusively to whale away at enemies'.

xmagus accepts this explanation and figures rabo should say what he means, or xmagus should be less OCD.

Thus far, the record is relatively clear. From here on, it gets cluttered, less clear and uglier, with claim and counterclaim. But essentially, rabo gets into a snit and just HAS to prove that Skills are better than Stance. (Apparently, Stanced Skills are chopped liver). Xmagus replies stating more data needs to be collected, and rabo goes all out on a crusade to collect more data. And now we find the very bits of data to be collected aren't conveniently tracked by the script we're using to track it! Ack.

---end of transmission---

Enjoyed that in the peanut gallery?)

Let me make perfectly clear; I believe that Spirit Stance has a place in melee even if you're not using PA-proc weapons; at the least, to double the damage of your skills at the measly cost of 10 OC and 1 SP. Let me make clear also that I *accepted* T_Starrk's explanation that aurabolt didn't really mean 'never'. I still object to his use of the word, but okay, I have my own foibles too - and I admitted that.

From my perspective, therefore, it just went nuts from there. Presumably aurabolt has a different take on the matter. For my part, since I'm not really into this whole masochistic 'track the stats manually' thing, I'm gonna let aurabolt have this one. I think we both agree on the central theme, which is that PA makes SS oh so much nicer, and since Skills proc PA for 2H weapons that *don't* have PA, use Skills. But when practical, use Stanced Skills.

tl;dr: Aurabolt, you have this one. I'm out of it.

There is a fundamental flaw to the analysis you guys do of SS vs Skills: what level are you. PA rises in value with levels at an exponential rate, while SS damage rises more linearly. For most levels, it's clear that it is at least close, statistical variance will make it hard to track well; but at some point, gaining PA from skills will overtake SS only. This is of course assuming 2H non estoc builds.

That's what happens when you try to reinvent the wheel—it's been said again and again, and they still apply today.

The reason why mace is slow is it doesn't have PA but you can get that buy using Rending Blow. If you use the first 2 skills each round and then make sure you don't finish the round until you recover OC so you can use it again next round. If it takes too many turns then use spirit stance + rending blow. Doing that can be faster then using spirit stance + normal attacks
you should be happy you only play 1 hr a day (and have a life) some play this game 8-12 hours (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

I don't use SP stance at all until the final round. I fully charge my OC at the 1st or 2nd round, cleave one of the strong mobs (if there is any), otherwise I just choose one of the mobs at the edge (e.g. number 1) for the sake reduced damage of domino strike. Hit a few rounds, then use 2nd tier and continue until they die. However I may choose to use 3rd tier if there is >1 strong mobs remain. If there is only 1 of them, I use cleave to finish it. Just make sure saving 2nd tier for the next round.

Spirit stance works a lot better with an estoc + heavy armor. Period.

If the situation is right, you can turn on Spirit Stance to use Rending Blow, and (in rarer cases) to attack before Penetrated Armor expires … but turning on Spirit Stance, and then whaling away, without Penetrated Armor, is—for fact—the dumbest thing you can do with a Mace.

(Arxdewn, you don't need an analysis to figure this out, but that's the only way to convince the guys these days.)

This post has been edited by aurabolt: Apr 23 2013, 03:02

Well, I'm slightly past level 200, and I thought I'd run my stats and abilities by the experts, see if I missed anything important.





Working on getting the last point into health, then SS before filling X-Nerf. After which I'll start distributing between XP tanks, Overcharge and Spirit Tank. Maybe a point into Imperil. Then fill up Spark (as I rarely trigger it, and only cast it during IWTBH hourlies.)

gear:
Mace http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=63ecd7532f | Estoc http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e24c06d169 ( I know its junk, please don't tell me to "get a better estoc", can't afford a "good estoc".)

helm http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=50793ac035

armor http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c2a8a53766

gauntlets http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=04db45bee7 | or http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9fbd23d296

legs http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1dd4ec964e

boots http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=2e7d93b0c6 | or http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0b14eb92b8

This post has been edited by Nightwishman: Apr 22 2013, 22:45

Well, I'm slightly past level 200, and I thought I'd run my stats and abilities by the experts, see if I missed anything important.





Working on getting the last point into health, then SS before filling X-Nerf. After which I'll start distributing between XP tanks, Overcharge and Spirit Tank. Maybe a point into Imperil. Then fill up Spark (as I rarely trigger it, and only cast it during IWTBH hourlies.)

gear:
Mace http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=63ecd7532f | Estoc http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e24c06d169 ( I know its junk, please don't tell me to "get a better estoc", can't afford a "good estoc".)

helm http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=50793ac035

armor http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c2a8a53766

gauntlets http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=04db45bee7 | or http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9fbd23d296

legs http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1dd4ec964e

boots http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=2e7d93b0c6 | or http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0b14eb92b8

reset your skills.
you don't need the exp tanks and so many magic tanks.
max health tanks, max spirit tanks, max OC boosts. 9-10 levels of magic tanks are more than enough to go by.
get/max the following spells: weaken, spark of life, imperil, shadow veil and absorb.
after that you can put your remaining AP into magic or exp tanks.

your equip is fine, the cotton shoes are a troll, right?

This post has been edited by Malenk: Apr 22 2013, 22:58

Hey, I'm looking for general advice about my current build. I'm setup to be a 2 handed, heavy armor fighter.

Equipment:
Weapon: Superior Scythe of Slaughter
Helmet: Superior Plate Helmet of Protection
Body: Superior Plate Curiass of Warding
Hands: Superior Plate Gauntlets of Warding
Legs: Fine cobalt power leggings of protection
Feet: Superior Plate Sabatons of Stoneskin

[imgur.com] Stat/Ability pages


I guess I just feel fairly weak, it almost seems as though monsters get stronger faster than I do when I level up. What am I doing wrong?

Those cotton shoes have to be a troll. Otherwise he is losing the bonus from ALL Heavy armor.

Those cotton shoes have to be a troll. Otherwise he is losing the bonus from ALL Heavy armor.