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Katalox >> Oak = Willow >>>> Shit >>>> Redwood. With the prefixes to idolize being hallowed/demonic. I don't even want to get into the rolls of staffs ... :| Like it has been pointed out, they have a ridiculous amount of variables.

Well.... sorta... I mean, you can't completely write off redwoods, it's not like old redwoods with no edb. Plus redwood is really one of the only choices for new elemental mages. It's just gotta be a damn good one to be worth something. Like I said, magnificent/legendary preferably with a matching prefix. Like a Legendary Tempestuous Redwood of Destruction/the Elementalist/Freyr would definitely be worth something, lol. Keep an eye out for the rolls though, I've seen some magnificent destruction redwoods with absolutely shit MDB rolls. Usually stuff like that is best for salvage.

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Apr 19 2013, 12:40

@wr4st3r: Regen2+health pot= more healed per turn without having to take an action.
Also, keeps your HP high more easily than cure.

It may be less efficient than using godly mana pot for cure in areanas, but in gf curing only to get hit is not fun. Or curing in general is not fun tbh, so 2 uses really.

Well, if you're a Wind or Elec Mage, a Tempestuous or Shocking Willow of Destruction could be a thing. Willow MDB got boosted to be half decent. Oak has no Destro suffix, so if you run Fire or Cold, Redwood or old Ebony is your only option. Even then, you're looking for stuff on the tier of this thing or higher. I still need to go run the full numbers on Prefixed Redwood EDB vs Elementalist vs Destruction vs Elemental prefix Katalox Destruction.

Also, not sure I get it: doesn't a mana elixir give you much more total health because you can cast Regen 2 a gazillion times?

Or is the stacked regen from health elixir necessary to survive after a huge amount of rounds?

What Lement is probably referring to is the fact that melees have PMI in the ~65++% range (and specific mitigations also in the ~40+++% range), therefore any time they get hit normally, they get hit for about 1/15th of their HP or less - damage that can be easily recovered with Regen II alone.

Mages have, um, much, much lower PMI/specific mits. However, they have a commensurately larger mana pool, much lower spell costs (no interference, Econ5/max MC = 25% discount, CM means 50% discount, Frugal = some more discount), much higher (on average) spell profs. Therefore, their Regen II heals more and costs less, so each mana pot lasts much longer.

They also don't need to cast as many buffs, because
( a ) They're trying to OHKO as much as possible, which ain't much, but they still tryin'. No multiple rounds, no need for every buff on the books.
( b ) When they get hit, they gonna die. That thar crappy PMI and NO specific mits guarantees it.
( c ) They trying not to get hit in the first place.

So, all that together means that when mages get hit, there's no point trying to mitigate it overmuch. Just die, have SoL proc, and when SP gauge drops below 25%, gulp down a Godly SP pot. But in order for that to work, you need to get back to 100% HP as soon as possible; ergo, Regen II + Godly HP pot.

That works well if you can cast fast enough to kill everything off within (for example) 500 turns (10 pots * 50 turns per pot) + change. Arenas are 100 rounds deep, so if you can kill everything in about 5 turns, you're golden. Of course, you may need more MP/SP pots, so you adjust inventory & difficulty and there's a balance somewhere that means you run out just as you finish the Arena.

tl;dr - What Lement said.

This post has been edited by xmagus: Apr 19 2013, 12:38

Mages aren't quite THAT squishy, otherwise we wouldn't be able to go several hundred rounds in gf. Still, at round 1k you're just waiting to be crit for more than your full health by a single mob. After all

Damage Mitigations
Crushing None
Slashing None
Piercing None

regen II and pot fill up that HP inbetween of evades.

This post has been edited by Lement: Apr 19 2013, 12:59

Mages aren't quite THAT squishy, otherwise we wouldn't be able to go several hundred rounds in gf. Still, at round 1k you're just waiting to be crit for more than your full health by a single mob.

Well, if you have good equips and stats, sure. I've got ~45% PMI in my mage suit and it's no fun. Especially since my magescore is probably 1 (haven't maged for nearly 200 levels).

Damage Mitigation
39.1 % physical
59.4 % magical
Avoidance
32 % evade
0 % block
15.5 % parry
26.9 % resist
Yeah, mage's sword is her shield.

Well, if you have good equips and stats, sure. I've got ~45% PMI in my mage suit and it's no fun. Especially since my magescore is probably 1 (haven't maged for nearly 200 levels).

Mages shouldn't rely on PMI (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

My 45% evade is what saves my ass time and again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Mages shouldn't rely on PMI (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

My 45% evade is what saves my ass time and again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Not quite there yet, another 10% to go.

Funny thing is, Lement, my mits and avoidances are pretty close to yours, and *I* feel damned squishy, sort of like a Poly-carbonate Cannon.

I was reading wolfgirl's shop thread and I found this:

Quite the contrary! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) FSM or several FSMs in the end - that's the challenge!
Or you mean on levels higher than normal?

Does that happen in the last arenas, fighting FSM and her friends at the end? I have done A Dance With Dragons a couple times but so far only Legendary monsters have appeared and the Dragons, no God-class. Anyone more familiar with those arenas than me know? I usually just skipped them before.

Will this Legendary Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter ever be useful? (snowflake... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif))

I mean it is a legendary with high attack and its ethereal. That has to count for something right? Would this be that much more different from a Estoc of comparable value in terms of credits? I'm thinking about using this in place of an Estoc to finally start training two handed. Of course if selling this might net me a good Estoc that can perform better then I'll probably hold off on switching to two handed.

Pretty sure it doesn't happen. I'm taking this off the wiki but it looks like only Ultimates at the end are the 3 dragons. Else why call it A Dance With Dragons. Then again wiki could be outdated but I doubt it.

On a side note I wouldn't mind fighting 3 FSM at the end of a arena. Yummy noodles.

Will this Legendary Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter ever be useful? (snowflake... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif))

I mean it is a legendary with high attack and its ethereal. That has to count for something right? Would this be that much more different from a Estoc of comparable value in terms of credits?

Haha, much different in terms of credits? Yes there is a massive difference. A Legendary Ethereal Estoc of Slaughter with great rolls will go for 20-30 million (great rolls, not shit rolls). I'd say you would be lucky to get a million or so for the longsword (longswords are just really, really common these days). Longsword is like a weaker scythe (lower base damage than scythe and lower DOT percentage). The only thing longsword really has on other two-handed weapons is it's dexterity (but your legendary got a shit roll for dexterity). Bleed weapons still can't match up to penetrated armor at high levels, and scythe is the premier bleed weapon anyway.

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Apr 19 2013, 20:54

Will this Legendary Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter ever be useful? (snowflake... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif))

I mean it is a legendary with high attack and its ethereal. That has to count for something right? Would this be that much more different from a Estoc of comparable value in terms of credits? I'm thinking about using this in place of an Estoc to finally start training two handed. Of course if selling this might net me a good Estoc that can perform better then I'll probably hold off on switching to two handed.
Pretty sure it doesn't happen. I'm taking this off the wiki but it looks like only Ultimates at the end are the 3 dragons. Else why call it A Dance With Dragons. Then again wiki could be outdated but I doubt it.

On a side note I wouldn't mind fighting 3 FSM at the end of a arena. Yummy noodles.

Hey, if you want an estoc for it, I can give you an estoc for it. But not as awesome as you might think you ought to get.

1. Longswords are not favoured by most people - they're like Scythes, only worse (in terms of max stats)
2. Estocs proc PA, the best proc in the game for melees. At high levels, there's simply no comparison.
3. You're gonna find someone willing to pimp up an estoc for that longsword, sure enough. But you're not gong to swap that Legendary Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter for a Legendary Ethereal Estoc of Slaughter - not gonna happen. Best you can get is maybe an Exquisite.
4. Longswords are by far and away the most common things around. Estocs drop far, far rarer now. Hell, I get more bloody Scythes and Katanas than I do estocs.

And T_Starrk beats me to it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Haha, much different in terms of credits? Yes there is a massive difference. A Legendary Ethereal Estoc of Slaughter with great rolls will go for 20-30 million (great rolls, not shit rolls). I'd say you would be lucky to get a million or so for the longsword (longswords are just really, really common these days). Longsword is like a weaker scythe (lower base damage than scythe and lower DOT percentage). The only thing longsword really has on other two-handed weapons is it's dexterity (but your legendary got a shit roll for dexterity). Bleed weapons still can't match up to penetrated armor at high levels, and scythe is the premier bleed weapon anyway.

Look at the quote below.

25 Lock of Blue Hair
25 Bunny-Girl Costume
25 Hinamatsuri Doll
25 Broken Glasses

All shrined to the Two-Handed God, one of them since all have Two Hands xD.

I got:

95 Longswords qualities ranging from average to exquisite (3 or 4 exquisite). 3 Scythes, superior was the best. And 2 estocs, crappy quality.

Yeah, really, really, REEEEEAAAALLLLLLY? Really common these days. *sniff*

Will this Legendary Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter ever be useful? (snowflake... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif))

I mean it is a legendary with high attack and its ethereal. That has to count for something right? Would this be that much more different from a Estoc of comparable value in terms of credits? I'm thinking about using this in place of an Estoc to finally start training two handed. Of course if selling this might net me a good Estoc that can perform better then I'll probably hold off on switching to two handed.
Pretty sure it doesn't happen. I'm taking this off the wiki but it looks like only Ultimates at the end are the 3 dragons. Else why call it A Dance With Dragons. Then again wiki could be outdated but I doubt it.

On a side note I wouldn't mind fighting 3 FSM at the end of a arena. Yummy noodles.

I wouldn't mind either. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by kakashi524: Apr 19 2013, 23:22

Will this Legendary Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter ever be useful? (snowflake... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif))

I mean it is a legendary with high attack and its ethereal. That has to count for something right? Would this be that much more different from a Estoc of comparable value in terms of credits? I'm thinking about using this in place of an Estoc to finally start training two handed. Of course if selling this might net me a good Estoc that can perform better then I'll probably hold off on switching to two handed.

Funny thing, when I looked at that I thought it was a Leg Shortsword of Slaughter, and with that ADB it would make a good poor man's Axe substitute. Then I realized that it was a Longsword. It'll sell for whatever a Superior/Exquisite Ethereal Scythe of Slaughter would, since that's what it's comparable to, possibly less because of the Longsword stigma.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Oh well, I guess I'm just going to keep it then. May it forever rot in my inventory.

That aside 1 mil at best isn't bad. I was thinking it was 450k or something. That's pretty much the amount of noodles I offered up to get it so if its worth at least 450k I'm content. So all in all not bad. I might just continue shrining my noodles rather than selling them.

i just took an elemental up to level 200 and unlocked the second skill.

both the skills cost 50% of mana but the damage of the second one is double.
should i remove the name from the first skill in order to make the monster always use the second one?
does it even work this way?
EDIT: ok, it doesn't let me save if i remove the name from the first skill (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

also i ask again:
can you reforge a equip with some PXP but still at potency level 0 without wasting any amnesia shard? or it does still take one? or you simply can't?
don't make me test myself, i'm lazy! XD

This post has been edited by Malenk: Apr 20 2013, 00:12

Will attempt to repro your results when I have time, and until then, the field is yours, sir.

Yeah, see what you get. Here's another set from IWBTH Grindfest, by the way.

Spirit Stance (10 Godly Mana Potions and 3 Godly Spirit Potions)
[s21.postimg.org] http://s21.postimg.org/9j25lmvx3/Stance_1.png
[s21.postimg.org] http://s21.postimg.org/ohp5tt0d3/Stance_2.png
[s21.postimg.org] http://s21.postimg.org/kmlrr8h7b/Stance_3.png

Rending Blow (12 Godly Mana Potions and 1 Godly Spirit Potion)
[s21.postimg.org] http://s21.postimg.org/kg3haeion/Rending_1.png
[s21.postimg.org] http://s21.postimg.org/3tlx1bpqv/Rending_2.png
[s21.postimg.org] http://s21.postimg.org/qkuznqas7/Rending_3.png

Your method is most likely better for quickly "facerolling" the first page of the Arena, but as you raise the bar, it just becomes one big why according to those cute numbers that people put so much faith in.

Do I get a gift when I reach level 200?

Purty please (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Will this Legendary Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter ever be useful? (snowflake... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif))

I hope in the next patch longswords will be useful. Then you can be 'Highlander.' There can be only one.....