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Apr 17 2013, 18:15
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calibur
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Apr 17 2013, 00:25)  Do you use plates? Or just power?
I use 2 plates and the rest power. Maybe I do need to upgrade. Get a axe and try it out. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) My monies going down the drain again. Magnificent Amber Shade Breastplate of the Shadowdancer is what a found. A friendly higher level person offered to buy it and I think I'm going to do that.
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Apr 17 2013, 18:44
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(calibur @ Apr 17 2013, 08:15)  Magnificent Amber Shade Breastplate of the Shadowdancer is what a found. A friendly higher level person offered to buy it and I think I'm going to do that. If the evade roll was better I would of already thrown millions at you, lol. Unfortunately, between the evade and dexterity roll, I still like my fleet breastplate.
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Apr 17 2013, 19:54
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Tyrlidd
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Just unlocked Heartseeker. Was shocked to see the sucker lasts 320 turns with channeling for me. No wonder things were getting harder the past 20 levels, I'm now cleaving through lower IWBTH arenas like they were nightmare with DW. Glad I saved up AP so I could get 5 points in it. Now if only I could find a replacement for this fine ethereal club... At this rate I think I am just going to IW the thing to 10 since it is easy to IW a fine item and I haven't seen a ethereal club of slaughter that hasn't been sold for week prior or crappy in WTS since I started. Holy crap, just spirit stance + heart seeker + frenzied strike'd a random IWBTH group of 9. Kill all but one of them (minus two dead from building spirit) from full health. Heart seeker is fun. This post has been edited by Tyrlidd: Apr 17 2013, 20:01
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Apr 17 2013, 20:19
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kakashi524
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QUOTE(Tyrlidd @ Apr 17 2013, 12:54)  Just unlocked Heartseeker. Was shocked to see the sucker lasts 320 turns with channeling for me. No wonder things were getting harder the past 20 levels, I'm now cleaving through lower IWBTH arenas like they were nightmare with DW. Glad I saved up AP so I could get 5 points in it. Now if only I could find a replacement for this fine ethereal club... At this rate I think I am just going to IW the thing to 10 since it is easy to IW a fine item and I haven't seen a ethereal club of slaughter that hasn't been sold for week prior or crappy in WTS since I started. Holy crap, just spirit stance + heart seeker + frenzied strike'd a random IWBTH group of 9. Kill all but one of them (minus two dead from building spirit) from full health. Heart seeker is fun. Ah yes, when I just started using heavy armor I did Spirit Stance + Heartseeker (never go out without it) nad I was cutting the monsters to pieces. So much fun the first time.
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Apr 17 2013, 20:51
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Super_Mew
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I'm thinking about switching from my current Shade+Eth Mace setup to a Heavy build. What's the current popular setup for Heavy?
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Apr 17 2013, 20:58
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(Super_Mew @ Apr 17 2013, 10:51)  I'm thinking about switching from my current Shade+Eth Mace setup to a Heavy build. What's the current popular setup for Heavy?
Plate/power mixed with an ethereal estoc of slaughter.
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Apr 17 2013, 21:05
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Nightwishman
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Apr 17 2013, 20:58)  Plate/power mixed with an ethereal estoc of slaughter.
Or mace.
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Apr 17 2013, 21:25
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(Nightwishman @ Apr 17 2013, 11:05)  Or mace.
No, no. He said "popular" build (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) . One day you will realize mace is slow as shit compared to estoc. Not to say it isn't safe, but it is slow. Well, I don't exactly use a fast build either as my primary either, lol. This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Apr 17 2013, 21:29
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Apr 17 2013, 21:58
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Nightwishman
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Apr 17 2013, 21:25)  No, no. He said "popular" build (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) . One day you will realize mace is slow as shit compared to estoc. Not to say it isn't safe, but it is slow. Well, I don't exactly use a fast build either as my primary either, lol. Yea, but in the long run, it doesn't make much of a difference and with mace its more smashy smashy, and less smashy - healy - smashy - healy with estoc. stun is pro.
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Apr 17 2013, 22:47
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Lement
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Stun USED to be pro when it gave damage bonus. Not anymore.
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Apr 17 2013, 23:07
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Nightwishman
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QUOTE(Lement @ Apr 17 2013, 22:47)  Stun USED to be pro when it gave damage bonus. Not anymore.
It gives a survival bonus, thats a good thing to.
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Apr 17 2013, 23:31
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Lement
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Yes, but HV is a grinding game. It's better to do Nintendo IW in 5 minutes with an estoc than BT IW in 7 minutes with a mace.
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Apr 17 2013, 23:59
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Super_Mew
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Sticking with mace since it's less hassle for me. Also the increased interference means more expensive Cures so less need for healing is good.
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Apr 18 2013, 00:06
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Malenk
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would be stupid to build a holy/dark mage with hybrid EDB phases for high difficulty maging? i know that for low difficulty maging going mono element is the best since you want a nuke able to oneshot anything that doesn't resist.
but i see that at Nintendo/BT i rarely oneshot anything and when i do most of the time a crit on a weak monster is involved.
i figured that using a hybrid EDB set would give me more consistent damage and a better way to deal against monsters with holy resist since i will be cycling holy and dark anyway.
i have a few self found fenrir phases so i will try sooner or later. is this a good or bad idea in your opinion? i don't ever see people going for dual EDB, that should tell me something. XD
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Apr 18 2013, 00:23
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Lement
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There is one person who uses dual EDB that I know of, Bunker Buster.
As for me with my destruction staff, I have 26944 darkscore and 10929 holyscore(the staff is admittedly better for dark). Swapping in my pants and shoes for bit and bit more inferior heimdall ones gives me 20854 darkscore and 16353 holyscore. The sum drops, but that was sort of expected with inferior phase. Though kill speed may still rise as the damage on monsters like Noihara Himari remains relatively same(small drop due sum drop, assuming explosion damage is linear to dealt damage) while when facing high-PL chaosed undead infinite amount of rotations should give pretty huge gain due it's high dark resist and bad holy resist which would act as multipliers on score loss and gain.
However, if the loss in primary element is big enough that you won't be able to consistently oneshot mobs weak to it, you're very dead very soon.
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Apr 18 2013, 00:38
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Malenk
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thanks, i don't have a good enough set to oneshot almost anything at BT right now and sometimes i spark, but i manage to finish the arena anyway (the higher arena i've cleared at BT is feast for crows). so losing some power on my first nuke won't change that. 3 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 1 Anonymous Users) 2 Members: Malenk, HTTP/308yes, we hate you(r monsters). (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Apr 18 2013, 00:53
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Lement
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You do realize stronger monsters give better loot?
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Apr 18 2013, 01:00
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Malenk
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QUOTE(Lement @ Apr 17 2013, 22:53)  You do realize stronger monsters give better loot?
you are wrong. monster with higher PL give better loot. i don't see chaos upgrades in the equation (i didn't check recently so maybe i don't remember correctly). the most annoyng feature in my opinion is the maxed parry/resist.
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Apr 18 2013, 01:01
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y-u-no-face111
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QUOTE(Lement @ Apr 17 2013, 22:53)  You do realize stronger monsters give better loot?
Chaos Tokens do not affect monster PL I think he's referring to parry/resist/block, now THAT absurd level of avoidance is definitely rage-inducing (4 parries in a row by the same monster) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Never scanned because every turn counts on the higher difficulties, so I didn't even know they were owned by HTTP (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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Apr 18 2013, 01:04
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Lement
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That holds true. With crazy amounts of grinding(just look at Bestiary and calculate a bit) he has made holy mages lose 25% of their power in a few months.
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