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Apr 14 2013, 18:35
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Nightwishman
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QUOTE(v31 @ Apr 14 2013, 18:31)  Hey guys. Hoping to get a bit of advice as to what I can do to improve my guy in HV. I'm incredibly patient, but things are starting to become a little too slow and annoying. I've attached my character stats/abilities/trainer, as well as my equips so you can give me some pointers. MainHeadBodyHandsLegsFeetI'm also using the Red Aura at level 3 right now, which I assume is the best for what I am doing. The gear I have now is the best stuff I have seen in the in-game shop, and I have yet to venture to the auction forum mainly because a) I don't know what I am doing, and (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) I don't typically like auction interactions. Don't worry about offending me with any advice, I'd rather you be straight with me. Thanks everyone.    Edit: Forgot to say, should I just switch to full Heavy armor instead? And Plate or Power if that is the case? First, unlock all your auras. The XP bonus is only for one level (and never increases) so unlocking them all is a good idea. Second, find a Mace (for survivability) or an Estoc (for damage dealing) instead of the scythe. The Mace in my opinion is a superior weapon for clearing large numbers of monsters (areans and such) vs. the Estoc. Go to one of the free shops (or more then one) and upgrade your gear a bit. Should be a few kevlar of fleet/protection and shade pieces in them. And you may want to drop Absorb entierly and go with EXP boost. And train more points for AP and get some spirit tank and overcharge tanks going. Spirit Stance is very important as a melee and makes everything die faster. Edit: Wolfgirl's free shopL: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=116127Has a nice abundance of decent shade and kevlar for your level; and I'll send you a mace to try out; Stun vs. Bleed, its a choice. This post has been edited by Nightwishman: Apr 14 2013, 18:41
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Apr 14 2013, 18:42
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v31
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QUOTE(Nightwishman @ Apr 14 2013, 17:35)  First, unlock all your auras. The XP bonus is only for one level (and never increases) so unlocking them all is a good idea.
Second, find a Mace (for survivability) or an Estoc (for damage dealing) instead of the scythe. The Mace in my opinion is a superior weapon for clearing large numbers of monsters (areans and such) vs. the Estoc.
Go to one of the free shops (or more then one) and upgrade your gear a bit. Should be a few kevlar of fleet/protection and shade pieces in them. And you may want to drop Absorb entierly and go with EXP boost. And train more points for AP and get some spirit tank and overcharge tanks going. Spirit Stance is very important as a melee and makes everything die faster.
I apologise for not being clear with the Auras - I have them all unlocked, I'm just using Red as my active. I have both a Mace and Estoc but neither are anywhere near what my Scythe can output simply due to it being Ethereal. I was using a Mace for a long time until this popped up in the shop, and the stun ability was very very nice, but the extra damage I get from Void is just too good to pass up. I'll have a quick look in the shops, hopefully I can find something worthwhile. Am I alright with sticking with Kevlar or do you believe I should switch to Heavy stuff? Thanks for your response. Edit: Just saw your edit. I'm not sure I qualify for her free shop, and I don't know if it is right me going to ask for freebies when I am over level 100. And thanks for the mace, appreciate it. This post has been edited by v31: Apr 14 2013, 18:44
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Apr 14 2013, 18:45
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Nightwishman
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QUOTE(v31 @ Apr 14 2013, 18:42)  I apologise for not being clear with the Auras - I have them all unlocked, I'm just using Red as my active. I have both a Mace and Estoc but neither are anywhere near what my Scythe can output simply due to it being Ethereal. I was using a Mace for a long time until this popped up in the shop, and the stun ability was very very nice, but the extra damage I get from Void is just too good to pass up.
I'll have a quick look in the shops, hopefully I can find something worthwhile. Am I alright with sticking with Kevlar or do you believe I should switch to Heavy stuff? Thanks for your response.
You can have them all active. Since your light armor prof is already pretty high, you should stick with that. I can't give you perfect advice since I'm a heavy plate of protection player, but Evade is a good thing to have on equipment. I sent you an Eth mace to try out.
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Apr 14 2013, 18:49
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海想列車
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QUOTE(Nightwishman @ Apr 14 2013, 09:35)  And you may want to drop Absorb entierly and go with EXP boost. Don't do that. QUOTE Spirit Stance is very important as a melee and makes everything die faster. Never use Spirit Stance if you're not wielding an Estoc/Rapier. Skills all the way. QUOTE(hujan86 @ Apr 14 2013, 02:33)  When do you usually cast X-Nerf? It's one of those things that you never need, but you can always cast it during hourlies for fun. This post has been edited by aurabolt: Apr 14 2013, 18:54
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Apr 14 2013, 18:55
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v31
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QUOTE(Nightwishman @ Apr 14 2013, 17:45)  You can have them all active.
Since your light armor prof is already pretty high, you should stick with that. I can't give you perfect advice since I'm a heavy plate of protection player, but Evade is a good thing to have on equipment.
I sent you an Eth mace to try out.
You have no idea how incredibly stupid I feel about Auras now. I upgraded a couple but I didn't know you could activate more than 1 (didn't even try...). Well fuck. I've been keeping an eye out for Shade stuff in the in-game shop but it never shows up. QUOTE(aurabolt @ Apr 14 2013, 17:49)  Never use Spirit Stance if you're not wielding an Estoc/Rapier. Skills all the way.
I hardly ever activate it to be honest. It's typically when I'm reaching the end of an Arena and I'm out of items and I need to kill everything asap.
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Apr 14 2013, 19:15
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海想列車
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QUOTE(v31 @ Apr 14 2013, 09:55)  I hardly ever activate it to be honest. It's typically when I'm reaching the end of an Arena and I'm out of items and I need to kill everything asap. Sorry, I was talking to him. Your level is much lower than him, so Spirit Stance is fine for the moment. (You do eventually have to get out of the habit though—unless you change to a piercing weapon later.) This post has been edited by aurabolt: Apr 14 2013, 19:15
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Apr 14 2013, 19:20
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Tyrlidd
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QUOTE(v31 @ Apr 14 2013, 12:55)  I've been keeping an eye out for Shade stuff in the in-game shop but it never shows up.
If you do see it in the shop, chances are it sucks. Best bet is dropping 20-30k a piece over in WTS forum section when you have the funds and later going 250-500k each for the better stuff. Use the forum search and ctrl+f to help find what you are looking for quickly. Your wep(s) should be your largest inventment however. The faster you kill stuff, the less damage you take, less times you need to renew buffs, less healing done, less mana spent etc etc. Most people that go 2h go for heavy armor though, Evil Scorpion being a major exception. Personally, I'm too lazy and cheap to try and get a plate set right now so I've been running kevlar/shade with pretty good results for DW and 2H. This post has been edited by Tyrlidd: Apr 14 2013, 19:21
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Apr 14 2013, 19:32
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海想列車
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I wouldn't recommend Shades, but they're filthy cheap these days. This is good enough for The Trio and the Tree on IWBTH, and it barely costed over 100,000.
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Apr 14 2013, 19:35
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Tyrlidd
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Is there a way to change the forum theme to something else? Looked in CP options but don't see any. There seems to be a ton of people that think bright yellow on white is easy to read when they decide to color code their WTS.
Asking again, what ratio of points should you be putting in spirit tank to overcharge?
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Apr 14 2013, 19:38
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QUOTE(aurabolt @ Apr 15 2013, 03:32)  I wouldn't recommend Shades, but they're filthy cheap these day
Naniiii? Not when you're trying to find agile prefixes with high evade, without the remaining stats having been butchered.
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Apr 14 2013, 19:45
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v31
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QUOTE(Tyrlidd @ Apr 14 2013, 18:20)  If you do see it in the shop, chances are it sucks. Best bet is dropping 20-30k a piece over in WTS forum section when you have the funds and later going 250-500k each for the better stuff. Use the forum search and ctrl+f to help find what you are looking for quickly. Your wep(s) should be your largest inventment however. The faster you kill stuff, the less damage you take, less times you need to renew buffs, less healing done, less mana spent etc etc.
Most people that go 2h go for heavy armor though, Evil Scorpion being a major exception. Personally, I'm too lazy and cheap to try and get a plate set right now so I've been running kevlar/shade with pretty good results for DW and 2H.
That is a lot of doujin money there... HV for me is just to get enough credits to let me download stuff, and unless dumping that kind of money on gear will significantly speed up my dailies then I'm not sure if it is worth it in the long run. I also procrastinate by playing this silly game. I had a set of power armor laying around (pretty basic stuff) and the damage increase was nice but holy fuck that mana cost. I did a low level arena, the one with 45 rounds, and used up 3 Godly Health and 3 Godly Mana on Hell. Did the next one with my Kevlar stuff and used 1-2 of each. I think I will stick with light, now I just need to decide if Kevlar or Shade is better...
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Apr 14 2013, 20:03
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xmagus
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QUOTE(aurabolt @ Apr 15 2013, 02:49)  Never use Spirit Stance if you're not wielding an Estoc/Rapier. Skills all the way.
Never? That, if you'll forgive my lack of tact, is a load of horseshit. SS DOUBLES YOUR DAMAGE. Even if you only ever use Skills to blow off your OC, you should damned well be in SS when activating them! Also, if you're playing 1H melee, the skills are crap. Do you really want to blow a minimum of 75 OC to kill a single enemy? When that 75 OC can kill many, many more enemies? Although there is a tradeoff between speed and OC consumption, I think there's a case to be made for staying in SS if you have a fully stacked Overwhelming Strikes, rather than blowing OC on your skills.
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Apr 14 2013, 20:14
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Tyrlidd
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QUOTE(v31 @ Apr 14 2013, 13:45)  That is a lot of doujin money there... HV for me is just to get enough credits to let me download stuff, and unless dumping that kind of money on gear will significantly speed up my dailies then I'm not sure if it is worth it in the long run. I also procrastinate by playing this silly game.
I had a set of power armor laying around (pretty basic stuff) and the damage increase was nice but holy fuck that mana cost. I did a low level arena, the one with 45 rounds, and used up 3 Godly Health and 3 Godly Mana on Hell. Did the next one with my Kevlar stuff and used 1-2 of each. I think I will stick with light, now I just need to decide if Kevlar or Shade is better...
If you intend on doing it for downloads only, basic gear should be fine. I don't know what the highest cost is but a quick rush on normal through the higher arenas should be all you need for several downloads for that day. If you are after hath perks, spend at least 150-400k on a full set because you are not going to earn the hath needed for Source Nexus or Multi-Page Viewer without a half decent set to speed things up.
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Apr 14 2013, 20:17
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(xmagus @ Apr 14 2013, 10:03)  Never? That, if you'll forgive my lack of tact, is a load of horseshit.
SS DOUBLES YOUR DAMAGE. Even if you only ever use Skills to blow off your OC, you should damned well be in SS when activating them!
Also, if you're playing 1H melee, the skills are crap. Do you really want to blow a minimum of 75 OC to kill a single enemy? When that 75 OC can kill many, many more enemies? Although there is a tradeoff between speed and OC consumption, I think there's a case to be made for staying in SS if you have a fully stacked Overwhelming Strikes, rather than blowing OC on your skills.
Aurabolt is a mace user. He saves all his OC for skills mainly because rending blow procs PA, so you want to do it near the start of every round. If you start using OC for spirit stance it fucks up the timing usually. I always like to activate spirit stance before using skills though, even with mace. Aurabolt is much more experienced with mace than me though, although he may also activate spirit stance before skills, I don't think he actually meant never, just the practice of activating spirit stance then hitting away like you do with estoc and rapier. This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Apr 14 2013, 20:19
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Apr 14 2013, 20:37
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xmagus
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Apr 15 2013, 04:17)  Aurabolt is a mace user. He saves all his OC for skills mainly because rending blow procs PA, so you want to do it near the start of every round. If you start using OC for spirit stance it fucks up the timing usually. I always like to activate spirit stance before using skills though, even with mace. Aurabolt is much more experienced with mace than me though, although he may also activate spirit stance before skills, I don't think he actually meant never, just the practice of activating spirit stance then hitting away like you do with estoc and rapier.
Then either I need to be less OCD or he needs to say what he means. Because I'm pretty sure no other fighting style procs PA except 2H. Well, and Niten, I guess, but how many people actually use Niten? I've also been thinking about it, and since you're DW, maybe you know. I suspect that depending on how many Elemental Strikes you have on both your weapons, and how often you can crit, and proc Offhand Strikes, there is a point where using SS for normal whaling away is probably a more efficient way to deal damage than chaining all the way through to Frenzied Blows, SS or no SS, rapier or no rapier.
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Apr 14 2013, 20:42
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QUOTE(xmagus @ Apr 14 2013, 11:03)  SS DOUBLES YOUR DAMAGE. And Penetrated Armor more than quadruples triples it. QUOTE Also, if you're playing 1H melee, the skills are crap. You're supposed to use a Rapier with One-Handed and Dual Wielding. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Apr 14 2013, 11:17)  … although he may also activate spirit stance before skills, I don't think he actually meant never, just the practice of activating spirit stance then hitting away like you do with estoc and rapier. Yup. QUOTE(xmagus @ Apr 14 2013, 11:37)  Well, and Niten, I guess, but how many people actually use Niten? You just missed your chance to come back with, "But what about for people who don't use a Rapier for One-Handed/Dual Wielding." Same thing you said—who, in the right mind, isn't going to use a Rapier? This post has been edited by aurabolt: Apr 14 2013, 22:01
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Apr 14 2013, 20:47
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QUOTE(xmagus @ Apr 14 2013, 10:37)  I've also been thinking about it, and since you're DW, maybe you know. I suspect that depending on how many Elemental Strikes you have on both your weapons, and how often you can crit, and proc Offhand Strikes, there is a point where using SS for normal whaling away is probably a more efficient way to deal damage than chaining all the way through to Frenzied Blows, SS or no SS, rapier or no rapier.
Actually real time wise it may be faster (in fact I'm pretty sure it is, can't wait until TenB adds skills to the quickbar (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ). But turn wise frenzied is still much faster against the likes of FSM and schoolgirls. It's basically 100-130k damage hitting 10-20 times in one turn. Total damage can vary quite heavily due to RNG on the turns. It's nice to save on turns though especially to conserve mana on long schoolgirl runs. There's plenty of times I get sick of setting it up and just start hacking away, lol. I mean, shit, initial hit plus 3 strikes then off-hand hit plus 3 strikes is pretty good damage in itself (especially if you are running a SD set with 60%+ crit and have a balance rapier with over 80% off-hand strike (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) ). This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Apr 14 2013, 20:54
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Apr 14 2013, 21:00
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Heh. I think I agree with xmagus here (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) that aside.....Penetrated armor hardly quadruples damage even against FSM at 100. Monsters have new PMI values, too, where's that chart of it? @v31: You don't need to replace your scytche right away, but do try to get a void estoc(if it is not void at start can be made so by hollowforging) by the time you hit 200, something in the 1-2 mil range. And yeah, gallery download costs are pretty trivial compared to the cost of gear for you quite soon if you wish to play HV for HV. Not that I have DLed, but quick look shows me that 59.43(five chapters) costs me 1243C or twice that in GP. Killing FSM, IPU and RL would net, I'm assuming, 16734 MBs of galleries. With my current personal habits that's enough to tide me for two years if I DLed everything - I hardly read even 3 chapters on most days, though at times I do go on non-h binge. And leaving that aside, most arenas have clear bonus of 1000C alone. If you're not participating in HV at all the bounties can still easily be a 7-digit figure, and well, you can just imagine how many years few million credits would last you. This post has been edited by Lement: Apr 14 2013, 21:02
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Apr 14 2013, 21:49
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QUOTE Normal 20 7 Void Strike hits Noihara Himari for 1169 void damage. 20 6 Holy Strike hits Noihara Himari for 642 holy damage. 20 1 You hit Noihara Himari for 2188 void damage.
Spirit Stance 22 3 Void Strike hits Noihara Himari for 2884 void damage. 22 2 Holy Strike hits Noihara Himari for 1477 holy damage. 22 1 You hit Noihara Himari for 5272 void damage.
Penetrated Armor 39 5 Void Strike hits Noihara Himari for 3516 void damage. 39 4 Holy Strike hits Noihara Himari for 1889 holy damage. 39 1 You hit Noihara Himari for 7276 void damage. Enjoy your Spirit Stance. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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