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Apr 11 2013, 17:38
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Nightwishman
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QUOTE(Tyrlidd @ Apr 11 2013, 17:36)  Just managed to clear A Rolling Stone on IWBTH barely. Cost me 6 godly mana and 2 godly health. Feels like I am burning through mana unusually fast now. Should I be running all mana pots with a spirit or two? Godly healing were good at low levels but now it just feels like they are a cure 1.5 + regen 1 with a 50 turn timer potion and 2/3 of my total mana seems like a better choice. It could also just be that I somehow managed to get no gem drops the entire run.
Don't run health potions, now that you have solid access to Godly and Superior mana pots. You also might want to run a spirit potion to, if you're using Spark of Life. Also, running IWTBTH Rolling Stone is a little, extreme. For now, stick with going a max of Battletoads on your arenas; and you might just want to run the higher ones at Heroic/Nightmare. This post has been edited by Nightwishman: Apr 11 2013, 17:39
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Apr 11 2013, 17:55
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Lement
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Health pots are quite decent when you have enough slots actually - I use them®en2 to clear hell arenas on great stam without curing as a mage. Much more action/time-efficient.
But it is true that godly mana heals more per MP.
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Apr 11 2013, 18:12
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Tyrlidd
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That was weird. Just went to do battle toads Blazzing fields and just got destroyed on the first round by a monster called Neptulon since it crit me about 6 times in a row and I hadn't bothered to cast spark since "It's just the first round". Can monsters even increase their crit or am I just damn unlucky?
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Apr 11 2013, 18:14
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Nightwishman
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QUOTE(Tyrlidd @ Apr 11 2013, 18:12)  That was weird. Just went to do battle toads Blazzing fields and just got destroyed on the first round by a monster called Neptulon since it crit me about 6 times in a row and I hadn't bothered to cast spark since "It's just the first round". Can monsters even increase their crit or am I just damn unlucky?
It's possible. I've seen low level monsters parry me 4-5 times in a row; and there is one near my level called Xeus I think, that has just an impossibly high HP even on Hard and Heroic. 6-7 hits for him normally, vs. 2-3 hits for everything else. Pain my ass.
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Apr 11 2013, 20:33
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Tyrlidd
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QUOTE(Nightwishman @ Apr 11 2013, 12:14)  It's possible. I've seen low level monsters parry me 4-5 times in a row; and there is one near my level called Xeus I think, that has just an impossibly high HP even on Hard and Heroic. 6-7 hits for him normally, vs. 2-3 hits for everything else. Pain my ass.
Guess who I just met during my IWBTH hourly? Scanning Xeus... HP: 24010/65520 MP: 122/369 SP: 155/177 Monster Class: Giant, Power Level 715 Monster Trainer: rpverygood Melee Attack: Crushing Weak against: Piercing Resistant to: Crushing, Fire, Cold Impervious to: Nothing Took me 17 hits, 8 of them being crits, to kill the thing. Not spirit or specials used, I wanted a raw number. Now I understand why everyone complains about giants. That HP amount is stupid. Everything else in the round either was a giant or dragonkin with same HP or had half that total.
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Apr 11 2013, 20:50
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Nightwishman
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QUOTE(Tyrlidd @ Apr 11 2013, 20:33)  Guess who I just met during my IWBTH hourly? Scanning Xeus... HP: 24010/65520 MP: 122/369 SP: 155/177 Monster Class: Giant, Power Level 715 Monster Trainer: rpverygood Melee Attack: Crushing Weak against: Piercing Resistant to: Crushing, Fire, Cold Impervious to: Nothing
Took me 17 hits, 8 of them being crits, to kill the thing. Not spirit or specials used, I wanted a raw number. Now I understand why everyone complains about giants. That HP amount is stupid. Everything else in the round either was a giant or dragonkin with same HP or had half that total.
That guy, I HATE HIM.
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Apr 11 2013, 21:00
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Slobber
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you guys should look into great cleaving him on sight or something like that (maybe just always focus attacks on him)
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Apr 11 2013, 21:15
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Tyrlidd
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QUOTE(Slobber @ Apr 11 2013, 15:00)  you guys should look into great cleaving him on sight or something like that (maybe just always focus attacks on him)
If I notice someone has obscene health I tend to ignore them and go for lower health targets and blow my iris strikes and backstabs on them with spirit stance later. Tends to drain all my spirit but if I don't it wastes mana in the form of buffs expiring. Even then Iris Strike + Backstab + armor penetration still only chips off 1/4-1/2 of their health tops. Is there a way to check your base health, mana, and spirit? I'd like to use spirit stance more but I'm always afraid of dropping below specific points and and knowing mana and health would be good for potions. This post has been edited by Tyrlidd: Apr 11 2013, 21:16
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Apr 11 2013, 21:16
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Nightwishman
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QUOTE(Slobber @ Apr 11 2013, 21:00)  you guys should look into great cleaving him on sight or something like that (maybe just always focus attacks on him)
Spirit Attack him... 5 hits to kill on Heroic. Somewhat annoying POS...
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Apr 11 2013, 21:19
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n125
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QUOTE(Tyrlidd @ Apr 11 2013, 12:15)  If I notice someone has obscene health I tend to ignore them and go for lower health targets and blow my iris strikes and backstabs on them with spirit stance later. Tends to drain all my spirit but if I don't it wastes mana in the form of buffs expiring. Even then Iris Strike + Backstab + armor penetration still only chips off 1/4-1/2 of their health tops.
Is there a way to check your base health, mana, and spirit? I'd like to use spirit stance more but I'm always afraid of dropping below specific points and and knowing mana and health would be good for potions.
Not in battle, but those stats can be found on the Character page, under Derived Attributes.
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Apr 11 2013, 21:23
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Tyrlidd
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QUOTE(n125 @ Apr 11 2013, 15:19)  Not in battle, but those stats can be found on the Character page, under Derived Attributes.
Thanks, guess I should be paying more attention to that page.
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Apr 11 2013, 21:26
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Slobber
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QUOTE(Tyrlidd @ Apr 11 2013, 13:15)  If I notice someone has obscene health I tend to ignore them and go for lower health targets and blow my iris strikes and backstabs on them with spirit stance later. Tends to drain all my spirit but if I don't it wastes mana in the form of buffs expiring. Even then Iris Strike + Backstab + armor penetration still only chips off 1/4-1/2 of their health tops.
Is there a way to check your base health, mana, and spirit? I'd like to use spirit stance more but I'm always afraid of dropping below specific points and and knowing mana and health would be good for potions.
I don't play melee myself but I honestly can't think of many alternatives in this case. Combat options are what differentiate mage and melee. Since it sounds like you're doing DW I think your killing everyone else first = a good choice. I'd also suggest weaken on Xeus to effectively neuter it while you kill its buddies. You should also try to get a "decent mana regeneration" such that buffs aren't as big an issue (spirit stance can help when you're casting them too) QUOTE(Nightwishman @ Apr 11 2013, 13:16)  Spirit Attack him... 5 hits to kill on Heroic.
Somewhat annoying POS...
That doesn't sound too bad.
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Apr 11 2013, 21:39
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Tyrlidd
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QUOTE(Slobber @ Apr 11 2013, 15:26)  You should also try to get a "decent mana regeneration" such that buffs aren't as big an issue (spirit stance can help when you're casting them too)
My out of combat regen is 11.3 (144 wis). Should I pump some more exp into it? 160 10 You gain 200062 Credits! 160 9 You gain 25625 EXP! 160 8 Your HP and MP have been fully restored! 160 7 Arena Token Bonus! [Chaos Token] 160 6 Arena Clear Bonus! [Average Cotton Pants of the Frost-born] 160 5 Flying Spaghetti Monster dropped [Noodly Appendage] 160 4 You are Victorious! 160 3 Flying Spaghetti Monster has been defeated. Received: superior shortsword of slaughter Meh. Woo, that was tedious. I never even dropped below 75% health. When should I up the difficulty on him if ever? This post has been edited by Tyrlidd: Apr 11 2013, 21:56
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Apr 11 2013, 22:10
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treesloth
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QUOTE(Tyrlidd @ Apr 12 2013, 04:39)  160 5 Flying Spaghetti Monster dropped [Noodly Appendage] 160 4 You are Victorious! 160 3 Flying Spaghetti Monster has been defeated.
Received: superior shortsword of slaughter Meh.
Woo, that was tedious. I never even dropped below 75% health. When should I up the difficulty on him if ever?
I just sell my noodles nowadays since getting stuff like that. 3 hath is better than spinning the 'Wheel of Garbage.'
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Apr 11 2013, 22:35
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Tyrlidd
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Apr 11 2013, 16:10)  I just sell my noodles nowadays since getting stuff like that. 3 hath is better than spinning the 'Wheel of Garbage.'
Yeah, considering I need the hath perks anyways I'll probably do that. Had to offer my first one up though om the vague hope I'd get something I could use first try.
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Apr 11 2013, 23:03
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calibur
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QUOTE(Tyrlidd @ Apr 11 2013, 21:39)  75% health. When should I up the difficulty on him if ever?
I just beat the FSM on IWBTH. All you really need to kill it off is time and silence. It took me 20min around 1100 turns to kill it soo yeah. You can definitely kill it on IWBTH but make sure you keep some godly mana pots cause its a long haul.
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Apr 11 2013, 23:59
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difso
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crude -> bazaar fair -> bazaar average -> bazaar
Determined on the basis of bazaar or salvage, how much credit? fine -> ? superior -> ?
Once I have less than 500 credits and salvage other people What are the standard? (500 over -> bazaar , 500 less -> salvage)
This post has been edited by difso: Apr 12 2013, 00:01
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Apr 12 2013, 00:00
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calibur
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What I was told is Superior t1+ salvage. Everything else bazaar.
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Apr 12 2013, 00:12
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difso
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QUOTE(calibur @ Apr 12 2013, 07:00)  What I was told is Superior t1+ salvage. Everything else bazaar.
crude~fine t1~3 : bazaar superior tier 1~exquisite tier 1 : salvage? (and Magnificent tier1 too?) superior tier 2~3 : bazaar? exquisite+ tier 2~3 : Keep?
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