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I quit after 400 rnds of Normal grindfesting yesterday. I yielded no artifacts but a bunch of crystals, and lousy equip drops, and absolutely meager Exp, compared to arenas. I will go back to doing arenas only on IWTBH. My training is a little more of half of the max of each (scavg, lotd, archaeol, etc). Personally, I think what ChosenUno says is correct: you will get great drops doing anything on IWTBH. Normalfesting just isn't cutting it for me.

you have to take in account luck.
400 rounds are not nearly enough to judge.

sure, it's really hard to find equipments of good quality, but artifacts do drop, trust me, and the crystals alone are worth an average value of 11.5 credits each, based on the pack price (150k) divided by the number of crystals in a pack (13k). if you have crystarium perks normfesting is more rewarding than doing arenas, much more.

sure, it's really hard to find equipments of good quality

That's pretty much why I only play on IWBTH. Equip drops are the most interesting part of the game for me. Only time I play on BT or Nintendo is for leveling equipment.

Can a kind soul tell me:

How do you find the base ADB of a weapon or piece of armor?

I'd advise using HentaiVerse Equipment Comparison on the wiki. Gives the base stats and then some. I couldn't get grumpymal's to work either.
Most recent: [github.com] https://github.com/trandoanhung1991/HV-Equi...mparison-Reboot
Useage guide(script is outdated on this page): [userscripts.org] http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/103444

Well it seems that IWBTH with mage is near impossible without chunking millions into the set, what about melee?

To finish IWBTH in a timely manner what would the minimum set be?

You need to live in Europe (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I've been going at the HV for the longest time without any help and I've finally reached level 200. Now that my curiosity is starting to peak, I just watched a video of a lv 302 Godslayer absolutely demolishing enemies on IWBTH, no scrolls or using items, and I started wondering a few things.
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Here's the video so that you can see. There may have been changes to HV after this video was made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2VkHsoQvbA — Clears 100 levels in 16 minutes.

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That youtube video was Evil Scorpio a number of patches ago. His mana consumption is kept in check by IA 3 and the fact that he's using Kevlar (low Interference, high PMI, but no ADB) and a Battlecaster Estoc (adds Mana Conservation). Back then, the PMI formula for players gave higher results for players above 250+, and Estoc's Penetrated Armor went straight to 100%, rather than 33% at a time.

I still can do it without any problems. Of course my equipment set is even better now than then, plus I have IA5 instead of IA3. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

It also helps that he's one of the better Light Armor players out there, and has probably the best Kevlar suit in the game.

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Because estoc's proc is best in game right now.

As for Mags/Legs, you have 2 choices. Pray with trophies, or grind everything on IWBTH and with high LOTD.

So far, I've used *grind everything on low difficulty and hope somebody sells*.

It works some of the time, but is time-consuming as well.

So what is the reason Phase of EDB is worth so much more than gossamer of Prof?
scale multiplier?
max rolls?
2 prof roughly = 1 edb?

example:
phase 10 EDB
gossamer 20 Prof
all other stats equal

is there any benefit to choosing phase over gos if the other stat rolls match or exceed the phase?

So what is the reason Phase of EDB is worth so much more than gossamer of Prof?
scale multiplier?
max rolls?
2 prof roughly = 1 edb?

example:
phase 10 EDB
gossamer 20 Prof
all other stats equal

is there any benefit to choosing phase over gos if the other stat rolls match or exceed the phase?

you are not thinking about the fact that you have basic proficiencies where you have to get all your EDB from items.

phase 10EDB would still be better unless your base proficiency is zero.

you are at level 246.
let's say your proficiency is 200.

getting 50 proficiency from a gossamer piece would take it to 250.

the damage difference would be (lets say your base damage is 1000):
1000 * (1 + 200/200) = 2000
1000 * (1 + 250/200) = 2250

now lets do the math with a phase piece with 25 EDB:

1000 * (1 + 200/200) * (1 + 0.25) = 2500.

so, if half of your total proficiency is less than the amount of your EDB, getting 2 points into proficiency would be more effective than getting 1 point into EDB, but as a rule EDB is almost always better.

This post has been edited by Malenk: Apr 10 2013, 13:24

Why is it better to have a staff with high magic dmg. and lower spell dmg. bonus instead of the one with both moderate ?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f7918e9bd2
vs
(just an example of staff)
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=5a4d576467

This post has been edited by HNTI: Apr 10 2013, 14:29

Why is it better to have a staff with high magic dmg. and lower spell dmg. bonus instead of the one with both moderate ?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f7918e9bd2
vs
(just an example of staff)
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=5a4d576467

because of how damage is calculated:
basically a good staff of destruction, expecially if well forged, gives you a higher percentual boost on your magical damage than the percentual boost a good EDB staff gives to the total EDB.

this is true if you are comparing staves with the same quality and good rolls on the important stuff.
the staves you linked here are totally different: the mag EDB staff doesn't even have a prefix and the EDB is just slightly higher than the one on the destruction staff. there is really no game between them.

that's why the very best staff for a holy/dark mage would be a legendary hallowed/demonic katalox staff of destruction with perfect rolls, 5/4 economizer/archmage and fully forged.

This post has been edited by Malenk: Apr 10 2013, 15:01

And I thought I had been lucky getting this staff in place of some Redwood crap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) .

And I thought I had been lucky getting this staff in place of some Redwood crap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) .

well it isn't a bad staff by any mean, the MDB roll is almost perfect for a non destruction mag and the dark EDB and INT are high. but without a prefix it can't be considered high end.

because of how damage is calculated:
basically a good staff of destruction, expecially if well forged, gives you a higher percentual boost on your magical damage than the percentual boost a good EDB staff gives to the total EDB.

this is true if you are comparing staves with the same quality and good rolls on the important stuff.
the staves you linked here are totally different: the mag EDB staff doesn't even have a prefix and the EDB is just slightly higher than the one on the destruction staff. there is really no game between them.

that's why the very best staff for a holy/dark mage would be a legendary hallowed/demonic katalox staff of destruction with perfect rolls, 5/4 economizer/archmage and fully forged.

Simply not true.

Still a nice one, good bonuses in dark and INT.

Malenk: Actually, right now best is prof staff when it comes to damage, but the difference even between element and prof can very well be less than 4%. And slanted phase can differ on that further. The MDB on non-destruction staves isn't that bad - a good roll would be two thirds of destruction.

Though, that said I'd prefer destruction at the moment, given the unknown future of prof staves in a year. My staff isn't the best I can get, but better ones....come with prof :s.

Simply not true.

which part?

if you talk about my analysis about how a destruction staff is better than a EDB one...
well i didn't do 100% accurate calculations as i did an estimate, a bit rough on some aspects maybe, to get a better understanding for myself and i may have missed something.

but you have to take into account that a perfect roll destruction staff can have exactly two times the amount of MDB of a perfect roll EDB staff.
that amount can be doubled with forging.

being your staff your only source of MDB, save for PABs which we assume are the same for both equips, the huge chunk of MDB you get with a good destruction staff over a good MDB staff will more than compensate the loss of EDB (you still get EDB from the staff, just the suffix part is lost).

and on top of that i forgot to say that MDB also applies to other spells and arcane blow, so if you are cycling or whacking monsters it will be even better.

Malenk: Actually, right now best is prof staff when it comes to damage, but the difference even between element and prof can very well be less than 4%. And slanted phase can differ on that further. The MDB on non-destruction staves isn't that bad - a good roll would be two thirds of destruction.

Though, that said I'd prefer destruction at the moment, given the unknown future of prof staves in a year. My staff isn't the best I can get, but better ones....come with prof :s.

oh, i didn't actually take prox staves into the picture XD.

This post has been edited by Malenk: Apr 10 2013, 15:37

Why is it better to have a staff with high magic dmg. and lower spell dmg. bonus instead of the one with both moderate ?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f7918e9bd2
vs
(just an example of staff)
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=5a4d576467

Give a simple thought. (non-professional)

The difference of forge level between MDB &EDB.
In staff , MDB can have maxed 100-level as EDB only get 40.
More MDB more future (upgrowth) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

(Though EDB staff always get higher score when non-forged.)

This post has been edited by midori_: Apr 10 2013, 15:53

well it isn't a bad staff by any mean, the MDB roll is almost perfect for a non destruction mag and the dark EDB and INT are high. but without a prefix it can't be considered high end.

I didn't aim for hing-end, any magnificent or even a decent exquisite is a huge upgrade for my magnificent staff of focus. I don't get all that talk about "almost max EDB" and such. Could someone post/PM me a link to some script calculating these values ? I get an impression that I miss something important...at this level.

This post has been edited by HNTI: Apr 10 2013, 15:51

For links, do some searching in, say, script thread -.-.

Malenk/midori: Those numbers are with forging. Without forging, it is far closer match, with destruction staves being the worst by 0.6-1.6% and EDB and prof being pretty equal, with EDB having a slight(1%) lead on less than stellar phase.

However ,which is cheaper to forge I am not sure. In the end, the MDB on EDB staffs is boosted by their own EDB too. I'd wager on destruction though for first 50 levels.

And here's your daily reminder that Tenboro understands math.

This post has been edited by Lement: Apr 10 2013, 16:08

I didn't aim for hing-end, any magnificent or even a decent exquisite is a huge upgrade for my magnificent staff of focus. I don't get all that talk about "almost max EDB" and such. Could someone post/PM me a link to some script calculating these values ? I get an impression that I miss something important...at this level.

just read varst's post in this very page.

@Lement:
anyway, i'm not convinced that prof staff is better than destruction.
looking at the formula i figured that that the best output is when you keep total proficiency and EDB at a 2:1 ratio, so if your equip is unbalanced toward EDB you can switch out a phase for a gossamer piece (leg gossamer gives about 1.8 prof for each 1 EDB given by a leg phase so the ratio should be more unbalanced toward EDB to make the switch worth it).