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post Apr 5 2013, 09:42
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I'm still quite new to HV and I've been wondering what weapons should I use for dual-weilding. I've just been scrapping items I find or equips in the bazaar that has high attack. Currently I'm using pure Heavy Armors since I have no idea what to wear.

My stats.
[puu.sh] http://puu.sh/2ucj4
(Switched to mage for a while but I was doing poorly so i switched back to melee)

I don't know how to link equips so I'll just puu.sh them

[puu.sh] http://puu.sh/2uce2 - Main
[puu.sh] http://puu.sh/2uceO - 2ndary

I've been scrapping by fine in Arena and Grindfest on Hard to get credits for galleries but I thought it was time I actually spent some more time on this game. Anyhow, all advises are appriciated. Thank you for reading
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post Apr 5 2013, 09:57
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QUOTE(RareKey @ Apr 5 2013, 00:42) *
I'm still quite new to HV and I've been wondering what weapons should I use for dual-weilding.

Depends on your armor. Axe of Slaughter and Rapier of Balance if you're going to keep wearing heavy armors.

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Currently I'm using pure Heavy Armors since I have no idea what to wear.

Try to get Plate of Protection and Power of Slaughter if you're going to stick with heavy armors.

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I don't know how to link equips so I'll just puu.sh them

Hover your cursor over the equipment, and then hit the C key.

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post Apr 5 2013, 10:01
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http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Advice
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Hotkeys
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Scripts_%26_Tools

also, people, stop suggesting rapiers of balance to people who face PMI in the single digit %s.
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post Apr 5 2013, 10:11
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QUOTE(Lement @ Apr 5 2013, 01:01) *

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Advice
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Hotkeys
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Scripts_%26_Tools

also, people, stop suggesting rapiers of balance to people who face PMI in the single digit %s.


So what should I use for my offhand?
And what armor would you suggest for a new player like me use? (Light or Heavy)

For heavy armor I have
Fair Power Helmet of Slaughter
and
Fine Power Boots of Protection

everything else I have just give 6-10 of either Strength and/or Endurance.

And is it viable to go mage at this stage? I have tried in the past but due to the lack of MP I gave up and switched back to melee


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post Apr 5 2013, 10:19
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QUOTE(RareKey @ Apr 5 2013, 16:11) *

So what should I use for my offhand?
And what armor would you suggest for a new player like me use? (Light or Heavy)

For heavy armor I have
Fair Power Helmet of Slaughter
and
Fine Power Boots of Protection

everything else I have just give 6-10 of either Strength and/or Endurance.

And is it viable to go mage at this stage? I have tried in the past but due to the lack of MP I gave up and switched back to melee

As your level, any weapon is almost the same. You can just use a higher damage one on main hand.
For offhand, high accuracy (30%+) give more power (and proc.) due to its higher second strike chance. If survive is a problem, you can use one with high parry.

For armor, you could use either heavy and light set, but never mix them. In case you use shade (a kind of light armor), make sure every piece of armor and the weapon are light (low burden) since shade is strong at evade only, which would be killed by high burden.

You can look around the free shop, or non-overprice shop, in WTS for some not bad gears.

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post Apr 5 2013, 10:21
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Lement, it's called planning ahead. You don't want to invest heavily in an offhand weapon that becomes worthless after reaching Level 200.

(I really don't see the point in wasting money on intermediate gears, that you'll use for only a short while, when you can buy something that'll be good even when you're Level 400 something.)

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post Apr 5 2013, 10:47
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which perk should i go for next?
Innate Arcana 2 or Crystarium 1?

both useful and they have the same cost.
i'm leaning toward crystarium right now.

still i only have 21 hath now so it won't be anytime soon anyway.
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post Apr 5 2013, 10:48
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QUOTE(Lement @ Apr 5 2013, 00:01) *

also, people, stop suggesting rapiers of balance to people who face PMI in the single digit %s.


What would you have them use? A dagger? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Might as well get them into good habits now considering how fast people reach 200 these days. You try dual-wielding without a rapier and see how it works out.

QUOTE(RareKey @ Apr 4 2013, 23:42) *

I'm still quite new to HV and I've been wondering what weapons should I use for dual-weilding. I've just been scrapping items I find or equips in the bazaar that has high attack. Currently I'm using pure Heavy Armors since I have no idea what to wear.


Sending you this axe since you use heavy armor. Use it for your main-hand weapon for now until you find something better.

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post Apr 5 2013, 10:55
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QUOTE(aurabolt @ Apr 4 2013, 21:21) *

Lement, it's called planning ahead. You don't want to invest heavily in an offhand weapon that becomes worthless after reaching Level 200.

(I really don't see the point in wasting money on intermediate gears, that you'll use for only a short while, when you can buy something that'll be good even when you're Level 400 something.)


Do you have any ideas what is good even when you're level 400 or something ?

I'm still having difficulties facing enemies in IWBTH/Battletoads difficulty with my current gear

Exquisite ethereal axe of slaughter

Exquisite ethereal rapier of slaughter

Exquisite shade helmet of the fleet
Exquisite shade breastplate of the arcanist
Exquisite shade gauntlets of the arcanist
Exquisite shade leggings of the fleet
Magnificent shade boots of negation

Do you have any improvement ideas for upgrading into able to finish IWBTH arena ?

Is melee combined with Dark/Holy magic is good ? What equipment should I use if I want to play battle mage ( for AOE attack ) ?

Since meleeing with DW I kill monster one-by-one and it becomes increasingly difficult in later Arenas which featuring 8 monsters or more >,<.

Which is I am gang-raped by the monsters >_<;

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post Apr 5 2013, 11:28
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QUOTE(Frostbite @ Apr 5 2013, 00:55) *

Do you have any improvement ideas for upgrading into able to finish IWBTH arena ?


With all shade you need a club. It will make your life playing 10 times easier. Also switch your arcanist and negation to fleet or SD. Try to push your evade as high as possible. Try to push your crit and offensive stats too. Switch to balance in the off-hand. This will raise your off-hand strike chance and your crit. Damage isn't important for an off-hand weapon. Do all these things and you can easily clear IWBTH arenas with shade/dw.
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post Apr 5 2013, 11:31
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I just wonder if proficiencies, in this case heavy amout proficiency, has such key role that I'm unable to kill more than 10 IWBTH rounds on arena ?

Weapon :
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7cde70ea2b
I guess that's the best what I can find from my drops. If I get enough time (& ED which I lack) I may IW it to Hollowforged potency.

Gear :
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7bac6d83c8
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=8edc2fe434
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=794f8d6c44
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f7aacc43e8
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a11e462918

I think that T_Starrk mentioned in this thread that ~70 % physical migration should do for IWBTH, but still monsters keep hitting me for 2-3k. What's the value I should seek as from the other posts I know that later on heavy amour users swap protection parts to slaughter to boost their DMG. I think, in my case it's way too early for this.

Physical attack
2531.2 base damage
124.2 % hit chance
9.7 % crit chance

Damage mitigation
67.1 % physical
54.5 % magical

I'm almost sure I do something wrong, but the question is what ? Keep in mind I'm mostly mage, but recently I gradually balance my stats as every next proint of Wis or Int costs me only 40-50 mln (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif).

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post Apr 5 2013, 11:40
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And is it viable to go mage at this stage? I have tried in the past but due to the lack of MP I gave up and switched back to melee


I would say no, as you have noticed you have mana problems which without sufficient number of Mana Tanks/Pack rat are hard to overcome. I suggest you to stay melee up to 100 lvl and then you can slowly think about switching to mage (elemental is the cheapest option).
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post Apr 5 2013, 11:41
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QUOTE(HNTI @ Apr 5 2013, 01:31) *

I'm almost sure I do something wrong, but the question is what ? Keep in mind I'm mostly mage, but recently I gradually balance my stats as every next proint of Wis or Int costs me only 40-50 mln (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif).


Your gear sucks. You need to use an estoc first of all. PA will make you kill faster and take less damage. Your plates are either the wrong suffix or mediocre. You'll have to spend some cash to get better stuff.
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post Apr 5 2013, 11:46
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Your gear sucks.


Why does it not surprise me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) .
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post Apr 5 2013, 11:55
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QUOTE(HNTI @ Apr 5 2013, 01:46) *

Why does it not surprise me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) .


Well, it's not like there's any deep strategy to this game, 95% of all problems are gear/stat based, lol. You are certainly going in the right direction with the cuirass and sabatons. Still, they are not good enough for IWBTH level. The weapon is the main issue right now though, find an ethereal estoc. Slaughter if possible. Battlecaster/Illithid/Balance would probably work for awhile if you don't have the cash for slaughter.

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post Apr 5 2013, 12:09
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Apr 5 2013, 17:55) *

Well, it's not like there's any deep strategy to this game, 95% of all problems are gear/stat based, lol. You are certainly going in the right direction with the cuirass and sabatons. Still, they are not good enough for IWBTH level. The weapon is the main issue right now though, find an ethereal estoc. Slaughter if possible. Battlecaster/Illithid/Balance would probably work for awhile if you don't have the cash for slaughter.

Estoc is very rare in this patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Apr 5 2013, 12:46
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aurabolt: A) they don't have the money to buy sth that is usable at 400. I remember when I first bought gears, 10k on sth was quite a lot. So they cannot possibly plan ahead in that sense. Its pretty hard for a guy under 200 to gather funds to heavily invest in an offhand.
B) in a month or two they'll hit 200-250, yes. I expect they'll have learned thing or two (or quit) in that time too.
C) Intermediate gears boost one's power for a time, for often fraction of the cost: an 1 mil rapier won't perform 10 times worse than 10 mil rapier.

T_Starrk: A decent bleed offhand weapon, yes. Not necessarily a dagger though, but possibly. In the end, why not say "your best balance/nimble dagger/wakishashi/shortsword until 200, then rapier"?

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post Apr 5 2013, 14:25
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What kind of build does this rapier fit into? I'm currently using it as OH in a DW/Light armor setup. I ask because my good drops have been this, cloth and longswords and I've gotten to the point where I will probably be buying armor and changing playstyle to fit the weapon if it is worth fitting around.
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post Apr 5 2013, 14:41
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QUOTE(somewhen @ Apr 5 2013, 04:25) *

What kind of build does this rapier fit into? I'm currently using it as OH in a DW/Light armor setup. I ask because my good drops have been this, cloth and longswords and I've gotten to the point where I will probably be buying armor and changing playstyle to fit the weapon if it is worth fitting around.


It would be a good main-hand rapier for a double rapier dual-wield build. A slaughter rapier in the main-hand and a balance rapier in the off-hand. This allows you to proc PA faster and more often on a single target than any other build. This should be used with heavy armor like an estoc in order to maximize your kill speed. I still think axe/rapier is superior for heavy armor though (especially after PA got nerfed and bleed got buffed but mainly cause axe has so much more base damage), but I suppose if you have a really fucking good slaughter rapier it might be cool. Having both a main-hand weapon and an off-hand weapon with parry would help your defense a bit too.


QUOTE(Lement @ Apr 5 2013, 02:46) *

T_Starrk: A decent bleed offhand weapon, yes. Not necessarily a dagger though, but possibly. In the end, why not say "your best balance/nimble dagger/wakishashi/shortsword until 200, then rapier"?


PA works better than bleed way sooner than 200, at least it did for me. I used a raccoon dagger in my off-hand until shortly into the 100s but switched when I tried a rapier and it killed faster. That was many patches ago though. I'd rather recommend something I know works from first-hand experience. I guess if they are only using their drops and they don't have a good rapier then a bleed weapon will suffice. But I'm not gonna recommend they go out and purchase a weapon that will quickly be inferior.

Although this might be a contradiction as I use an inferior armor type, lol (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . But it's all about how much love you put into your build/weapons. Still, when someone asks which one to pick I'll always recommend heavy, it's just the easier path. I'm sure someone could make a waki/dagger/shortsword into a badass off-hand weapon if they found an awesome one and forged it.

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post Apr 5 2013, 14:44
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QUOTE(somewhen @ Apr 5 2013, 19:25) *

What kind of build does this rapier fit into? I'm currently using it as OH in a DW/Light armor setup. I ask because my good drops have been this, cloth and longswords and I've gotten to the point where I will probably be buying armor and changing playstyle to fit the weapon if it is worth fitting around.


If i have that rapier i will try this build,
Dw, use the rapier as mainhand and waki of balance/nimble 4 Pabs with high aspd(+1x%) for offhand, and plus aspd form IW. Well.. just an idea, i think this build quite playable. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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