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Some what of a strangeity...

Ever since i boosted scavenger up from level 28 to 30, I noticed that I've been getting less equipment per same number of runs. At the same time, I've also been getting superior, and fine equipment then I did before; dropping way back down into the crude and fair; with an occasional average.

/rant...

that doesn't seem right...

I think it's confirmation bias, since you're now actively looking at what drops.

But you never can tell with random. Especially random with these kinds of %s. Loot probabilities have been, ahm, "Slightly less than what was intended" before though.

anyone can do the math for me?

max trainings and Tokenizer 2. What will bring more Tokens with 20 Stamina per day used?
Arenas + 1 GF or just GFing?

anyone can do the math for me?

max trainings and Tokenizer 2. What will bring more Tokens with 20 Stamina per day used?
Arenas + 1 GF or just GFing?

the only training that benefits you in token drops is scavenger.
quartermaster and archaeologist actually decrease your chance because you get a token roll only if you fail both the equipment roll and the artifact roll.

i can't do the math for you because i don't know how much of a bonus you get after the 100th round of grindfest (the wiki does not provide), but i'd say you do your arenas because you also get a chance of a token bonus at the end.

It's more about gf having more mobs(no bonus) versus arena bonus drop chance.

And I am not sure tbh.

the only training that benefits you in token drops is scavenger.
quartermaster and archaeologist actually decrease your chance because you get a token roll only if you fail both the equipment roll and the artifact roll.

i can't do the math for you because i don't know how much of a bonus you get after the 100th round of grindfest (the wiki does not provide), but i'd say you do your arenas because you also get a chance of a token bonus at the end.

I think what he's asking is whether the additional mobs from high GF rounds (compared to the many 3/round or 4/round arena rounds) give more tokens/day than just doing the high arenas.

Doing the proper math would require knowing the actual token bonus chance at the end of arenas, which I don't, and average mob count per round for GF, which I don't, the actual loot drop code, which I don't have, and probably some absurd statistics based on mob PLs.

Ballparking things, with Tokenizer 2, each PL 600 mob has a 0.077% token drop chance or on average 1300 mob kills per token. This assumes the PL drop bonus is added after Scavenger bonus is added. With the same assumption but PL 700 average, it's about 1000 mobs per token, which is a nice round number. I think the Arenas 15-25% (according to wiki) token bonus might STILL win that. If T&T is a 25%, assuming PL 700s, you'd need to see 250 more mobs in 100 rounds of GF than you'd see in T&T to break even. 8+ mob rounds would be sufficient to beat T&T, so continuing in Normalfest after you hit that point beats long arenas, but not the short early arenas. On the other hand, the early arenas all have that Round 2 RM, so Normalfest may still do better Tokens per time given your ping.

I'm thinking that on Great Stamina, do the arenas. You won't get deep enough into GF to really benefit from the large rounds in 400 total rounds. If that's 20 stamina at Normal Stamina, then going several hundred rounds into Normalfest will beat most of the longer arenas. Short arenas (anything below about Growing Storm) always win over Normalfest, if the RM doesn't drive you nuts.

Do note that this is a really, really back of the envelope calculation. Doing this properly would require me to go code up a nice Monte Carlo simulation or something fun like that. Which might require me to know the odds that you fail a RM and start losing stamina, both sober and drunk.

This post has been edited by PK678353: Apr 1 2013, 11:10

What's the best set for 1H?

weapon? axe, club or rapier ?

armor? light or heavy(plate/power)?

And what kind of shield?

This post has been edited by Mantra64: Apr 1 2013, 13:35

Rapier past certain level, 1h has no PA skills/Heavy due burden of shields and evade not triggering counter/ Bucklers are generally preferred due specific mits and low burden/intereference which can be nulled to work with light. Agile as prefix (though leg max tower of barrier at 40 looks rather delicious).

This post has been edited by Lement: Apr 1 2013, 13:42

So this rapier should be good for 1H?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=dfd0c3829f

Heavy armor = Tower Shield?

Light Armor = Buckler Shield?

can i have a price check on this?
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=2a7117af58

So this rapier should be good for 1H?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=dfd0c3829f

Heavy armor = Tower Shield?

Light Armor = Buckler Shield?

I prefer Kite shield for heavy, Tower is too heavy. The extra block cannot compensate the loss in evade and increased in mana cost.

Light armors can't block, so I wouldn't recommend them with a one-handed style. Although I suppose it'll work, to a degree, if you spam Shield Bash to compensate for the lack of a stunning weapon.

This post has been edited by aurabolt: Apr 1 2013, 19:11

I think it's confirmation bias, since you're now actively looking at what drops.

But you never can tell with random. Especially random with these kinds of %s. Loot probabilities have been, ahm, "Slightly less than what was intended" before though.

I've been looking at it for the last couple of weeks; every time I finish my arenas I go to the bazaar and see all the equipment that drops (then sell it all, junk...) but I noticed as I increase scavenger the number of stuff I get is down and so is the quality.

It's your imagination. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Also, you really need to take a break from training; even I didn't have that much at your level—when I used to have a truck load of Hath from collecting bounties.

This post has been edited by aurabolt: Apr 1 2013, 19:33

It's your imagination. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Also, you really need to take a break from training; even I didn't have that much at your level—when I used to have a truck load of Hath from collecting bounties.

Why do i need to take a break? Seems somewhat counter-intuitive.

Because you need better gear. Your priorities are … kind of the other way around.

This post has been edited by aurabolt: Apr 1 2013, 20:59

Because you need better gear.

Define "better", gear?

I know my mace is a little rusty, but spending several hundred thousand credits to move up from what I have now for a few extra %'s and decimals isn't going to help much right now.
I'd rather sink it into training for a bit more until around level 175-180
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c21ec9402f

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7cb2dcd18d

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c2a8a53766 or http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=8e59ddd464

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9fbd23d296

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=553b1d097a

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a33e0ba8ec or http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0b14eb92b8

I mean, sure I could find a bunch of half-decent Mirthril plate; and pay a few hundred thousand for some junky decent etheral estoc...but why bother?

This post has been edited by Nightwishman: Apr 1 2013, 21:03

You should salvage your helmet and use plate with Protection suffix instead. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

You should salvage your helmet and use plate with Protection suffix instead. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I have one, http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=2a22ca881f

But the PABS and the lower burdeon on the mag are nice. Also, all the decent protection helms i've seen are really overpriced in people's shops. Nor can I compete with some of the guys who just go around winning auctions to put the items in their own shops.

Define "better", gear?

Start saving up for an Exquisite Ethereal Estoc of Slaughter and a Power Armor/Leggings of Slaughter—and then go back to training. (You're also going to want certain Hath Perks at some point.)

The guys back in summer (e.g., needaname, Rah, and Talga Vassternich) had all those by the time they hit Level 200.

Nor can I compete with some of the guys who just go around winning auctions to put the items in their own shops.

You'll be able to compete with them if you just hold back on training for a moment—guys like piyin aren't rich at all.

Scavenger: 30/50 (237K)
Luck of the Draw: 13/25 (298K)
Quartermaster: 10/20 (301K)
Archaeologist: 5/10 (338K)

Due to how probability works, you won't see much payback until you start playing thousands of rounds per day.

I'd rather sink it into training for a bit more until around level 175-180

(Sorry, I didn't see this.) If you're honestly planning to pause at some point, then it's fine.

This post has been edited by aurabolt: Apr 1 2013, 22:00

@ Nightwishman : Sooner or later you will have to pause your training either willingly or forcefully do you know why because you won't be able to fund the trainings since you will run out of credits. Leveling up fast should be your priority right now. With more lvl new arenas will unlock and with that bonuses. Not to mention you will get more powerful along the way so in other word you are gaining 3 benefits from a single work - getting stronger, receiving additional bonuses and increasing earning power for future trainings and other expenses