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but still thanks for showing me the direction, your advice was just much more high end oriented

Well, start off with finding some exquisite plates then. There are a lot and they are cheap (I see good ones for less than 100k all the time). Also, you don't have to go all out on the estoc yet. You can find an affordable one that does a good job. I even used a mag ethereal estoc of balance when I was your level cause it was so cheap compared to slaughter.

Doing them on IWBTH will help, but it's really down to luck.
Parry is just Resist except Parry only works on physical attacks.
Doesn't matter for mages and Shade users—I'll stop there.

Someone finish it off.

Doing arenas at IWBTH is currently too much for me. Beside my equipments are not great either (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) So let me reach atleast lvl 299 or 300+ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

So parry is just resists of physical attack ...got it

But unfortunately I am heavy user currently

Uh, no.

Because it has 4PABs, you're pretty much guaranteed to get either Swift Strike (increase Attack Speed) or Butcher (increased ADB).

At MAX level (level 10), you will get a random Elemental Strike. You will also more or less have a guaranteed Butcher and Swift Strike at Level 4 each. The last level could be in either.

Existing stats will need to be Forged, in order to increase.

1 thing though: if I infused elements for the final IW run to MAX, will the random Strike be... slightly less random (i.e. can I avoid Wind Strike by infusing Wind)?

Oh, you're right. Just unlocked Butcher Level 1 (+10 dmg).

Doesn't matter for mages and Shade users

I humbly disagree. Shade users are still melee after all. Evade is definitely our main source of damage reduction but having shade with good PMI rolls helps a lot. It's definitely not a stat you should just ignore.

(IMG:[i.imm.io] http://i.imm.io/ZTiA.png)

45% to 50% should suffice then.

I'd like to meet a Shade user who's over 250, and doesn't have that much physical mitigation though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

This post has been edited by aurabolt: Mar 19 2013, 04:52

well i started playing something like 3 weeks ago and i'm definitely far from that kind of money.
right now i have 350k but trainings are getting more and more expensive and i'm also saving for the 50 hath needed for the first innate arcana slot.

right now i'm not aiming for IWBTH arenas, i said i wanted to be able to clear IWBTH random encounters.
being able to clear arenas at nintendo or bt (save the very first ones) would already be an accomplishment.
right now i can do all the arenas at hell with my elemental mage (with a few problems in the longer ones) and i can IW at nightmare, heroic for exquisite+ (actually the + is just speculation because i never had any equipment above ex) but i'm working toward an holy/dark equip and things are going to get a little better.

i used to be able to clear RE at IWBTH but not anymore, i cannot deal enough damage in the time bought me by the two cloaks of the fallen.

but still thanks for showing me the direction, your advice was just much more high end oriented than what i was searching for, but still you showed me the way. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

IWBTH REs? OK, that is simple, even for a mage. Expensive, relatively speaking, but simple.

1. You want to be packing about 10 Godly MPs and 3 Godly SPs.

2. You want to be having Weaken + Imperil + Silence at maximum power. And Slow, but that's optional. If you can afford Absorb, go for it.

3. You need to cast SoL right off. If you have Absorb, and you're facing Sprites/Elementals/Celestials/Dragonkin, fire that off too.

4. You want to have Arcane Focus and/or Heartseeker (maximum power if you can afford it).

4. Cast Haste.

5. Cast Regen II. Hopefully, you proc a Channeling and you can cast AF or Heartseeker (depending on whether you plan on maging or meleeing). Optionally, cast all the other buffs (Shadow Veil, Protection).

6. Methodically cast Weaken + Imperil on every mob, Silence on the ones that hit you hardest with their specials.

7. Go nuts with your attacks, but pay VERY CLOSE attention to your MP/SP gauges - if they dip below 50%, be ready to hit your potions.

It will take time. Many, many rounds. And you will burn through a lot of pots, especially if your profs and equips aren't up to the job. But, you will make it through.

@aurabolt: Heck, even a Cloth-wearing mage should have >40% MMI.

45% or 50% should suffice then.

I'd like to meet a Shade user who's over 250, and doesn't have that much physical mitigation though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

I guess it would suffice. I had much higher when I was that level but the PMI formula has changed since then. My point was that a good shade set should rely on both evade and PMI for it's defense. It helps if there's something to take the edge off the hits that do get through. Maybe since you use mace which has AOE stun you can get away with lower mitigation. That's why I always look for endurance & a good PMI roll on my shade. PMI is also the main stat I forge after evade, although that's mainly because slaughter bindings cost too much to use on armor and you don't get as much out of forging PABs.



This is what a shade set's PMI should be at (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Mar 19 2013, 05:06

My point was that a good shade set should rely on both evade and PMI for it's defense.

Yeah, no one said anything against that. The question was "What's the minimum mitigation to play on IWBTH," and I just said it doesn't matter for Shade users because you'll end up somewhere around 45% without even trying—

Maybe since you use mace which has AOE stun you can get away with lower mitigation.

—okay, higher for dual-wielders in Shades.

Show me your evasion when you get to 400. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

(Anyone planning to tell xcaliber9999 how much he needs with Plate and Power?)

This post has been edited by aurabolt: Mar 19 2013, 05:34

(Anyone planning to tell xcaliber9999 how much he needs with Plate and Power?)

70% sounds like a good number.

Show me your evasion when you get to 400. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I'm shooting for a few percentages over 60% by then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Mar 19 2013, 05:37

What's the benefit of IW at higher difficulty? Faster upgrade with lesser rounds?

What's the benefit of IW at higher difficulty? Faster upgrade with lesser rounds?

That, and the usual benefits of higher difficulties (massive EXP multiplier, supposedly higher loot rolls).

Although, strictly speaking, you still have to complete the same number of rounds to finish any individual IW. It's just that at IWBTH, you get 10X the number of PXP as you would at Normal (per cleared IW; basically, at Normal, you get PXP = rounds required to clear, whereas at IWBTH, you get 10X PXP).

As a pure holy magician,
I want to ask why Katalox staff is always much more expensive than a good Oak (5 times to 20 times )
even though it get less score.

Because it can get high based int and make higher magic as Holy-Dark-Holy-Dark ?
Or it easy to transfer to Dark magician?

70% sounds like a good number.

I think 65% PMI is sufficient for IWBTH arena with power/plate mix. What actually matter is mana consumption (or recovery) per round.

As a pure holy magician,
I want to ask why Katalox staff is always much more expensive than a good Oak (5 times to 20 times )
even though it get less score.

Because it can get high based int and make higher magic as Holy-Dark-Holy-Dark ?
Or it easy to transfer to Dark magician?

Because it is rare and have higher MDB.


This post has been edited by Colman: Mar 19 2013, 09:33

As a pure holy magician,
I want to ask why Katalox staff is always much more expensive than a good Oak (5 times to 20 times )
even though it get less score.

Because it can get high based int and make higher magic as Holy-Dark-Holy-Dark ?
Or it easy to transfer to Dark magician?

In absolute terms katalox beats oak.

However, in relative terms oak usually beats katalox (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

hmmm,
The higher MDB&Int always balance with less EDB&proc when they doesn't go Forged.
(excluded great "Katalox of Destruction")

Does it leads a big gap after Forged them?

hmmm,
The higher MDB&Int always balance with less EDB&proc when they doesn't go Forged.
(excluded great "Katalox of Destruction")

Does it leads a big gap after Forged them?

There is a big gap even without forging.

Speaking of DW & leather set. What kind of stats I should watch in "ideal leather" set ? Evasion + resistance ?

My potential MH :
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7cde70ea2b
and my current off-hand :
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=886360ee70
(Not sure if it's the best idea to use these as I play mostly mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

Damage mitigation
48 % physical
44.2 % magical
Avoidance
16.1 % evade (I have mage stats - keep it in mind)
0 % block
31.9 % parry
51.7 % resist

Physical attack
2698.9 base damage
141.9 % hit chance
33.2 % crit chance

Speaking of DW & leather set. What kind of stats I should watch in "ideal leather" set ? Evasion + resistance ?

My potential MH :
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7cde70ea2b
and my current off-hand :
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=886360ee70
(Not sure if it's the best idea to use these as I play mostly mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

Damage mitigation
48 % physical
44.2 % magical
Avoidance
16.1 % evade (I have mage stats - keep it in mind)
0 % block
31.9 % parry
51.7 % resist

Physical attack
2698.9 base damage
141.9 % hit chance
33.2 % crit chance

is niten style , not DW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
if you want play NITEN style , i suggest use agile shade of SD to boost your action speed more (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
( increase your DW & 2H PROF first before use this style coz niten don't have prof & use DW + 2H prof ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

for DW , usually axe/club for main weapon & rapier for offhand (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Speaking of DW & leather set. What kind of stats I should watch in "ideal leather" set ? Evasion + resistance ?

My potential MH :
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7cde70ea2b
and my current off-hand :
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=886360ee70
(Not sure if it's the best idea to use these as I play mostly mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

By "leather" I assume you mean light armor and not actual leather right? Anyway, niten with light probably isn't a good idea, especially with a katana with 28 burden, lol. That will kill your main source of damage reduction. You need stun so you have to use a club really. The ideal set is ethereal slaughter club with an ethereal balance rapier with full shade of the fleet/SD. The shade should have good evade, damage, PABs, and PMI.

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Mar 19 2013, 16:42

I have a monster whose power level is 430. In recent two days it did not give me any gift but its win count goes up from 200 to 207. I want to know is this common or not?