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Arxdewn: I'm asking for sufficient data to guess about on quality of equip drops across difficulties.

Tenboro has said in the past that raising loot quality doesn't decrease the amount of normalfarmers, and tbh: if he raised loot quality I wouldn't know simply because there's no data whereas when it is sth like credits I can make a decision whether to play on great stamina on step higher difficulty or not.

Well it's not difficult. It just requires people to record the equips data while holding all the factors constant. Which probably means you have to record
- LotD level
- Number of rounds you're in
- types of challenge you're in
- whether it's normal drop or clear bonus

And then to filter out additional effect from PAB, suffix/prefix, etc which may affect final quality.

Yea. Something like that.

Maybe it's a bit general question, but as I rise my level it bugs me more and more.

How to clear IWBTH arenas maging ? After my recent changes in gear (swapped all gossamer to phase ) clearing Heroic arenas is walk in the park, but Nightmare & Hell are kinda problematic (too much incoming DMG (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)).

Staff
I know it's not great, but I use it till I get Economizer maxed out on Another staff(The best staff on which I've managed to get my hands on, so far).

Head
Robe
Gloves
Legs
Shoes

Magical attack
1455.4 base damage
168.8 % hit chance
34.9 % crit chance
77 % mana cost

Damage mitigation
33.9 % physical
48.3 % magical

This post has been edited by HNTI: Mar 12 2013, 13:20

How to clear IWBTH arenas maging ?

being a rich bastard?

being a rich bastard?

Yeah, that's one solution, but it's not what I meant.

This post has been edited by HNTI: Mar 12 2013, 13:50

is there any place where i can find the base damage of all the spells?

Yeah, that's one solution, but it's not what I meant.

Well, what did you mean, exactly? If you want to do arenas on IWBTH as a mage, you basically have three options to consider:

1) Don't.

2) Clear them very slowly, using Deprecating spells when needed (i.e., pretty much every round), and refilling your MP and SP with Ether Tap and Soul Reaper/Harvest every now and then, because you will run out of potions otherwise. You might actually be able to pull this off with your current equipment now (more likely with the early arenas), but, it's not going to be very fun.

3) Spend 30-50 million assembling and forging a magnificent/legendary suit so that you can clear them relatively quickly and comfortably. Maybe some damage perks, too.

Aiming for BT first is a more realistic goal. Getting to the point where you can cruise through IWBTH will take a lot of extra effort.

In general, you need to work on your armor because most of your phase pieces are significantly far from max EDB for their quality range, and most are missing the INT bonus as well. Exquisite pieces that have high rolls in a few of the key stats are a good start. The willow staff is okay, but you should go for something better; maybe a katalox staff, even. All of this will increase your damage (likely significantly from what it is now), which in turn will help you kill faster and therefore take less damage on higher difficulties. Damage reduction will further increase as you level up and your primary attributes get higher, and also as your equipment gets better.

is there any place where i can find the base damage of all the spells?

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spell_Damage

@HNTI: That's almost the only solution for maging IWBTH. Holy/dark cycle has an shorter explosion cycle advantage, and...that's it. You can do ET and spirit stealing on a single mob, but on iwbth they hit so hard that you have to choose them and better have good evade as well, as when you face 7+ monsters next round with insufficient resources in either one you will die since you won't get the time to generate them.

@n125: I think you're underestimating the sum needed for that. 50 mil doesn't even let you get important stats forged to top legendary katalox staff+full set of mag phase, let alone any damage perks. That said, it may be difficult but certainly not impossible with that range's worth of mage gear to do iwbth arenas as things currently stand.

This post has been edited by Lement: Mar 12 2013, 15:38

If you aren't rich and want to clear arenas with any kind of speed on IWBTH then you really should melee. Although there's certainly a point where if you get good enough gear and upgrade enough you can be faster on IWBTH than any melee ever could, but it's really fucking expensive (mainly cause of the price of high-wood and phazons). I'm glad all I have to buy are shade frags and HG leather for my armor, although the prices of Slaughter bindings and HG metals are fucking sky-high as well (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) .

700 binding of slaughter ftw ~~.

If you aren't rich and want to clear arenas with any kind of speed on IWBTH then you really should melee. Although there's certainly a point where if you get good enough gear and upgrade enough you can be faster on IWBTH than any melee ever could, but it's really fucking expensive (mainly cause of the price of high-wood and phazons). I'm glad all I have to buy are shade frags and HG leather for my armor, although the prices of Slaughter bindings and HG metals are fucking sky-high as well (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) .

I have only 3 monster that can give me HG materials, so most of my upgrade stop when HG materials are needed.
I would like to know players at your level would normally have how many monsters.

I have only 3 monster that can give me HG materials, so most of my upgrade stop when HG materials are needed.
I would like to know players at your level would normally have how many monsters.

I actually only have two monsters who can give me HGs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (I have 13 in all but only one over 400 and she barely brings any HGs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) ). All my forging has been done by buying mats off of others or by salvaging (ever since Tenboro increased the chances of getting HGs with salvaging in .75 I've had a much easier time).

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Mar 12 2013, 16:58

I actually only have two monsters who can give me HGs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (I have 13 in all but only one over 400 and she barely brings any HGs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) ). All my forging has been done by buying mats off of others or by salvaging (ever since Tenboro increased the chances of getting HGs with salvaging in .75 I've had a much easier time).

You only need a monster above PL250 to have the *chance* of bringing HG mats.

Mind you, having said that, all 4 of my mobs are above PL250 and have only brought me HG mats 5 times in total.

You can increase said chance with a monster above 749, though.


(and 1249, ok, ok)

I actually only have two monsters who can give me HGs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (I have 13 in all but only one over 400 and she barely brings any HGs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) ). All my forging has been done by buying mats off of others or by salvaging (ever since Tenboro increased the chances of getting HGs with salvaging in .75 I've had a much easier time).

Getting credits in the current HV is even harder than getting hath of same value for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif). Thus buying material from others is almost impossible. However, I do not found materials too difficult to be obtained (a few hundred of MGs in stocks). The bottle neck is binding most of the time.

btw, do PL affect the type of binding obtained?

Erm, is it the PL of the monster or the stats which have been increased for the monster that contribute most to it bringing in things? (or a bit of both?)

I've been thinking that a few stats might not really be worth it (WIS and things like that) and that I should focus on basic STR and END, but it's definitely gunna cost a ton more, so now I'm wondering if I should just scrap selective stat leveling and go for PL (eg. just level all stats)

This post has been edited by nindel: Mar 12 2013, 17:39

Erm, is it the PL of the monster or the stats which have been increased for the monster that contribute most to it bringing in things? (or a bit of both?)

I've been thinking that a few stats might not really be worth it (WIS and things like that) and that I should focus on basic STR and END, but it's definitely gunna cost a ton more, so now I'm wondering if I should just scrap selective stat leveling and go for PL (eg. just level all stats)

No, they'll give the same gifts. So level all stats.

@n125:

Ok, maybe IWBTH is a bit too much. Anyway, mu idea is : how to make clearing arenas at higher levels relatively doable. BT will do too as it offers quite satisfactory loot bonus multiplier.

Soul Reaper/Harvest

I need to wait 10.5 lvls, until I get 2 tier soul spells.

Your second option has one flaw : I take too much DMG trying to get mana through ET. Spirit Shield doesn't make much difference when I have to face like 4-6 of monsters surviving my fist spell).

most of your phase pieces are significantly far from max EDB for their quality range, and most are missing the INT bonus as well.

That's the best I could get from my drops & bazaar without spending a small fortune.

Holy/dark

I thought linking my gear makes obvious what type of mage I'm (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif). As for my derived stats :

Evasion : 28,8 %
Damage mitigation
34.1 % physical
48.5 % magical

Strength 180 +8 +12
Dexterity 181 +59 +9
Agility 200 +8 +6
Endurance 226 +8 +9
Intelligence 279 +86 +9
Wisdom 286 +173 +13

Switching to melee might be a bit problematic as I went for mage build. Too lazy to click every mob with weapons when you blast them with AoE spell, let alone my proficiencies :<. BTW What's better for high difficulty as melee DW + light armour or a "can" wearing heavy amour + 1h + shield ?

This post has been edited by HNTI: Mar 12 2013, 18:14

That's the best I could get from my drops & bazaar without spending a small fortune.

Then Heroic is the best you're going to do.

We don't say that to sound disparaging, only that it takes a long (long) time to drop good things. And yeah, if you're looking for high stuff, best you can do is stack credits (hope for good drops in the meantime, we never know) and then spend everything on the wts/wtb sections.

You even have a fair piece of equipement in your build, seriously.

I try my luck with IWing my current stuff ( staffs & maybe Exquisite gear ), so maybe it will improve my situation. I'm a little worried about Phazons as it looks, it's a basic material to all upgrades regarding Phase gear, making the game imbalanced as #@#@##. Bindings should be expensive, but the situation where only 2 bindings got prices around 100k and the rest is barely sell able is...kinda weird (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif).