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Mar 7 2013, 15:25
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qazzy5
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I'll bump Wis up and drop my "bad" stats more, but no one has any suggestions on gear, abilities or tactics?
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Mar 7 2013, 15:43
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unknownxz.
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QUOTE(qazzy5 @ Mar 7 2013, 20:25)  I'll bump Wis up and drop my "bad" stats more, but no one has any suggestions on gear, abilities or tactics?
Want to play higher difficulty ? - use eth club of slaughter instead of axe, protection instead of warding, - kill the most weakest one first. - lower burden(<75), use feather or whatever. - lower interference(mana cost), use aether or whatever. - use infusions & scrolls. This post has been edited by unknownxz.: Mar 7 2013, 15:44
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Mar 7 2013, 16:05
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qazzy5
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QUOTE(unknownxz. @ Mar 7 2013, 08:43)  Want to play higher difficulty ?
- use eth club of slaughter instead of axe, protection instead of warding, - kill the most weakest one first. - lower burden(<75), use feather or whatever. - lower interference(mana cost), use aether or whatever. - use infusions & scrolls.
-Reason being Stun, I take it, what about going with Balance if I can find it since my Hit chance is only 108%? Also, I have mostly Protection, I can make it a priority to replace the pieces of Warding first. -Just to double-check, the lowest-level ones, irrespective of MP? -Well, like I said, I'm going to put off further training to save up for Mithral Plate which should take care of that. I assume that once I do get that down I should bring Agi back up? -Don't really have enough Feather and Aether shards to do this for more than one or two arenas, I'll keep it in mind as a priority for what to buy after I get my equipment taken care of. -Use infusions as battle items, or on weapons or armor (or all three)? Use scrolls to keep Avatar/Gods always on or wait until I'm near the end of an arena?
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Mar 7 2013, 16:06
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(qazzy5 @ Mar 7 2013, 04:25)  I'll bump Wis up and drop my "bad" stats more, but no one has any suggestions on gear, abilities or tactics?
If you want to play higher difficulties then switch your dagger to an ethereal rapier of balance (or even nimble for more parry but I prefer balance). PA isn't as strong after the stacking and mitigation changes but you'll still kill faster. Switch the warding to either power of protection/balance/slaughter (for the extra acc, crit, and damage it looks like you need). Even more plate of protection would be good but I think it's more beneficial to mix some power in with your plate, you have to find a good balance of PMI with the other stats. Also, do you use spirit shield? It helps if you are taking too many big hits.
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Mar 7 2013, 16:08
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elda88
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QUOTE(unknownxz. @ Mar 7 2013, 21:43)  - kill the most weakest one first.
"Weakest" - monsters with the lowest PL? I usually target monsters with piercing damage or whose MP/SP nearing 50% first. Am I doing wrong?
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Mar 7 2013, 16:16
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T_Starrk
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With DW you always target the strongest first. It doesn't matter who has the highest MP/SP bar. First priority goes to the PL 1000+ mobs (and some others, after playing the same monsters over and over again you'll get used to which ones cause problems for you). QUOTE(qazzy5 @ Mar 7 2013, 05:05)  what about going with Balance if I can find it since my Hit chance is only 108%?
No, use slaughter in the main-hand. As much damage as possible. Use a piece of balance armor in the hands or feet slot if you have to (that's what I do). And get your burden under 75, that will help your crit a little.
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Mar 7 2013, 16:22
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unknownxz.
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QUOTE(qazzy5 @ Mar 7 2013, 21:05)  -Reason being Stun, I take it, what about going with Balance if I can find it since my Hit chance is only 108%? Also, I have mostly Protection, I can make it a priority to replace the pieces of Warding first. -Just to double-check, the lowest-level ones, irrespective of MP? -Well, like I said, I'm going to put off further training to save up for Mithral Plate which should take care of that. I assume that once I do get that down I should bring Agi back up? -Don't really have enough Feather and Aether shards to do this for more than one or two arenas, I'll keep it in mind as a priority for what to buy after I get my equipment taken care of. -Use infusions as battle items, or on weapons or armor (or all three)? Use scrolls to keep Avatar/Gods always on or wait until I'm near the end of an arena?
- if you have problem with hit chance then just use power of balance. - yea, i kill the most weakest first. - to lower buden, you can use power(of slaughter/blance) instead of plate, power armor has lower burden than plate. - only use infusion on weapon (Enchant). QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Mar 7 2013, 21:16)  With DW you always target the strongest first.
Really ? i always target the weakest first. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) i think has one high PL mob left better than many low PL mobs left. (more mobs -> more hits -> more losing hp, also fewer mobs -> easier to stun) This post has been edited by unknownxz.: Mar 7 2013, 16:40
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Mar 7 2013, 16:35
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qazzy5
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As far as using Power that's what I was doing until a couple patches ago (or maybe it was just levelling up enough to find higher PL mobs) but then I started getting hit really bad so I switched to Plate for the higher PMI. I'll see about finding a Power of Balance or two to replace my Plate of Warding.
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Mar 7 2013, 16:38
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(unknownxz. @ Mar 7 2013, 05:22)  - yea, i kill the most weakest first.
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) This makes little sense to me. Why would you leave the monsters who can cause the most damage around the longest? There are very few monsters who can even cause me to notice them even on IWBTH, these monsters get priority, I immediately stun and kill them. Keeping them around longer will cause me problems, while keeping the weak monsters around will not even faze me.
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Mar 7 2013, 17:04
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unknownxz.
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Mar 7 2013, 21:38)  (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) This makes little sense to me. Why would you leave the monsters who can cause the most damage around the longest? There are very few monsters who can even cause me to notice them even on IWBTH, these monsters get priority, I immediately stun and kill them. Keeping them around longer will cause me problems, while keeping the weak monsters around will not even faze me. Well...actually, when doing arena on IWBTH, first i will hit every mob 1 hit each to pros stun(my crit% is around 50), if i'm using stance i can kill 2-4 low PL mobs before stun expire, but if i target high PL mobs first i can kill only one mobs. and, QUOTE(unknownxz. @ Mar 7 2013, 21:22)  Really ? i always target the weakest first. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) i think has one high PL mob left better than many low PL mobs left. (more mobs -> more hits -> more losing hp, also fewer mobs -> easier to stun) This post has been edited by unknownxz.: Mar 7 2013, 17:08
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Mar 7 2013, 17:05
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(qazzy5 @ Mar 7 2013, 05:35)  As far as using Power that's what I was doing until a couple patches ago (or maybe it was just levelling up enough to find higher PL mobs) but then I started getting hit really bad so I switched to Plate for the higher PMI. I'll see about finding a Power of Balance or two to replace my Plate of Warding.
Yes, after the PMI formula change a lot of people who relied on PMI (mainly heavy melee) had to turn down the difficulty. If you really are getting hit too hard though you either have to upgrade your plate of protection or turn down the difficulty. I was having the same problem on the late rounds of item world, but once I wore 4 pieces of mag/leg plate of protection with a bit of forging it seemed to get better (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) .
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Mar 7 2013, 17:15
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(unknownxz. @ Mar 7 2013, 06:04)  Well...actually, when doing arena on IWBTH, first i will hit every mob 1 hit each to pros stun(my crit% is around 50), if i'm using stance i can kill 2-4 low PL mobs before stun expire, but if i target high PL mobs first i can kill only one mobs. and,
Stun every mob first? Meh, too much work (and my crit is at 59.3% (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)). Not worth it to go out of my way to stun mobs who can't hurt me. I find the only time I have problems is when I leave Celestia and a few other certain mobs around too long (a few more of HTTP's and Eila/Elizabeth/Sushi who have strong piercing attacks). This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Mar 7 2013, 17:19
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Mar 7 2013, 17:17
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unknownxz.
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Mar 7 2013, 22:15)  Stun every mob first? Meh, too much work (and my crit is at 59.3% (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)). Not worth it to go out of my way to stun mobs who can't hurt me. I find the only time I have problems is when I leave Celestia and a few other certain mobs around too long (a few more of HTTP's and Eila/Elizabeth who have strong piercing attacks). No, not stun every mobs, just hit every mobs first. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) And low PL mobs still can hurt me on IWBTH so it's worth it(for me). T^T This post has been edited by unknownxz.: Mar 7 2013, 17:21
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Mar 7 2013, 17:23
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qazzy5
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Mar 7 2013, 10:05)  Yes, after the PMI formula change a lot of people who relied on PMI (mainly heavy melee) had to turn down the difficulty. If you really are getting hit too hard though you either have to upgrade your plate of protection or turn down the difficulty. I was having the same problem on the late rounds of item world, but once I wore 4 pieces of mag/leg plate of protection with a bit of forging it seemed to get better (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . I upgraded (almost) all of my Power armor to Sup/Exq Plate of Protection and I still had to turn down the difficulty (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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Mar 7 2013, 17:58
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xcaliber9999
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QUOTE(qazzy5 @ Mar 7 2013, 20:53)  I upgraded (almost) all of my Power armor to Sup/Exq Plate of Protection and I still had to turn down the difficulty (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Just play on normal or whatever difficulty makes you comfortable. I used to play areans on normal till I reached 200+ ... For hourly I used to play on Nintendo/BT before reaching (200) I am sure you will be able to play more better as you lvl up
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Mar 7 2013, 18:38
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pervdiz
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QUOTE(unknownxz. @ Mar 7 2013, 15:22)  Really ? i always target the weakest first. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) i think has one high PL mob left better than many low PL mobs left. (more mobs -> more hits -> more losing hp, also fewer mobs -> easier to stun) Depends if I'm doing RE or arena. For IWBTH RE 10 mobs, I just sleep 1 or 2 "big" monsters, weaken the other threatening mobs and kill the weakest first. But in heroic arena I mainly kill the most powerful first since it's quick anyway and the others don't really hurt me over regen II. QUOTE(xcaliber9999 @ Mar 7 2013, 16:58)  Just play on normal or whatever difficulty makes you comfortable. I used to play areans on normal till I reached 200+ ... For hourly I used to play on Nintendo/BT before reaching (200) I am sure you will be able to play more better as you lvl up
I can confirm this, by leveling I was able to slowly up difficulty in arenas since lvl150~, and I've been able to do IWBTH RE since that time too. Now I'm worrying a bit about the 200 cap, even if it's said it has been softened I have yet to meet the most powerful monsters like the 501st...
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Mar 7 2013, 18:46
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Lement
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there is no longer 200 cap. Spirit monsters used to start spawning at the level you're currectly at. You are significantly weaker than you would have been, and if you play on iwbth only monster who you can't encounter after 100 is Eila(I think?).
Furthermore, Eila isn't the strongest monsters anymore. Her max AGI is ~useless, so any properly chaosed monster with higher STR and END and good resistances will outdo her.
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Mar 7 2013, 19:05
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(Lement @ Mar 7 2013, 07:46)  Furthermore, Eila isn't the strongest monsters anymore. Her max AGI is ~useless, so any properly chaosed monster with higher STR and END and good resistances will outdo her.
I agree that she's far from the strongest anymore, but she's still a monster you can't completely ignore (at least, I can't with my shade set (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) . I don't think she does much to me with my plates on though). This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Mar 7 2013, 19:05
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Mar 7 2013, 19:46
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Arxdewn
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QUOTE(unknownxz. @ Mar 7 2013, 07:17)  No, not stun every mobs, just hit every mobs first. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) And low PL mobs still can hurt me on IWBTH so it's worth it(for me). T^T You do realize monsters that have been hit do 20% more damage right? So by hitting everything not only is that more effort, you take more damage if they aren't stunned.
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Mar 7 2013, 19:56
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unknownxz.
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QUOTE(Arxdewn @ Mar 8 2013, 00:46)  You do realize monsters that have been hit do 20% more damage right? So by hitting everything not only is that more effort, you take more damage if they aren't stunned.
Really ? i did't know this. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Maybe, you mean Agitation ? http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Battles#Agitation
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