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post Feb 25 2013, 19:57
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Dunno... There's some gear out now that's sort of made to facilitate something like that (battlecaster suffix) but I don't know whether it actually works well or not. You'd be juggling a lot of AP between spells and your other stuff too, I think.

Hybrid builds might actually be viable now. Use Shade Arcanist, and Battlecaster 1H + Shield. But mana return will be a bit of a nuisance.
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post Feb 25 2013, 19:59
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All points come in handy anyway, but warriors shouldn't focus too much on INT, it's the less useful. WIS is important to grow your mana pool.

There's various spells useful for melee, mostly Supportive/Deprecating : Haste, Shadow Veil, Protection, Regen, Spark of Life, Spirit Shield, Earthseeker ; Weaken, Imperil Silence. You'll unlock most of them as you grow in lvls in your ability tab.

The absolute abilities you should go after anyway are the HP/MP/SP box.


I'll do that and check out some of the spells you recommended. Thanks!


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I think dual wielding is generally better for the ring of blood, as you said it's kinda shit against multiple enemies. Play whatever style you like; I've never played mage so I can't advise you there but it seems to be pretty different from what I've heard.


I just tested it for a bit, it's quite fun against large clusters of enemies. On my low level cyclone only costs 2 MP and does significant damage to the entire group. But spamming magic missiles on single targets is pretty ineffective.

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Dunno... There's some gear out now that's sort of made to facilitate something like that (battlecaster suffix) but I don't know whether it actually works well or not. You'd be juggling a lot of AP between spells and your other stuff too, I think.


Propably something I can do when I am on a high level. Still a long way to go, but good to know that the possibility exists.

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Two-handed melee does splash damage (domino strike), additionally you get an AoE attack with 50 and 100 proficiency in two-handed.


Hmmm, so this really seems to be the way to go for Item world and stuff? When i tried to up a weapon of mine, it said I had about 180 battles to go (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) So I better be patient and wait for some AoE skills.


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If you're on pretty bad gear right now, that also hurts you a lot, so your build will feel even worse than usual. PM me and let me know what gear you're using and I might be able to help you out with some free gear.



I just found out that I had some GP left and converted them to credits, so I think I'm propably fine. I'll send you a PM with my stuff, I still don't really know what is considered to be good or bad. Thanks for your help!
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post Feb 25 2013, 20:27
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I think it's worthwhile my reposting something I said a few weeks back.

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Um. At level 83, you can't. Dabble in melee, or level stuff up in IW. Well, you could, but it would be a tremendous waste of time.

You don't have sufficient PMit or MMit from your stats alone, you don't have enough APs to buil up full HP, MP, SP, OC tanks, buffs, debuffs AND the necessary offensive spells, and your avoidance stats will suck. You don't have access to SoL (but if you have the Scroll versions and hundreds of them, then not such a big problem) nor SS, which is required insurance. In addition, your equips will not have scaled highly enough to be a significant advantage in the later rounds of a battle series.

What you can do is temporarily go melee and dabble in maging and build up your proficiencies across the board. You will need:

1. Battlecaster Shield with high Block
2. Battlecaster Ethereal Axe (or Rapier for the Parry and PA) with high ADB, proc chance and accuracy.
3. Arcanist Shade (you can keep the clothes, but you will need Elementalist Gossamer at a minimum, and you're gonna get hurt, so keep that cure/regen up!)
4. Lower difficulties, IWBTH is off-limits for now.
5. Lots of luck

Why 1H+Shield? Because of the protection. It will be godawfully slow in the beginning, but you will be able to survive. The Battlecaster (assuming best rolls for mana conservation) gear will allow you to cast spells cheaply (and the magic accuracy will help too). Axes deal the most 1H damage and Ethereal bypasses specific mitigations (PA is not so important at your level, and you can simply cast Imperil for a poor man's version - that would help with your elemental spells as well). Shade ramps up your ADB as well, Arcanist means minimal Interference and no burden.

Ideally, you want to get counter-attacks; bleed damage will also help you damage multiple enemies per turn, but it's been terribly nerfed.
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post Feb 25 2013, 21:53
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Does the stamina counter show the rounded up or rounded down value?
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post Feb 25 2013, 22:18
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@xmagus

There are no battlecaster axes. Only club, rapiers, wakis, and daggers for one-handed weapons.
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post Feb 26 2013, 00:07
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Does the stamina counter show the rounded up or rounded down value?


Its either round up or round nearest. You can see this by completing a single round while at 99 stam. It will still say 99 stam.
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post Feb 26 2013, 04:07
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QUOTE(unknownxz. @ Feb 25 2013, 01:34) *

eh... but this.... with cheap heavy armor...
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(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Mace + spam focus? How long did this take?
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post Feb 26 2013, 04:12
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QUOTE(fishinsea @ Feb 25 2013, 17:07) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Mace + spam focus? How long did this take?


I just did IWBTH Trio and didn't use a single potion. No mana potions, no spirit potions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . That was with shade/dw with no IA, lol.
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post Feb 26 2013, 04:15
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QUOTE(fishinsea @ Feb 26 2013, 09:07) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Mace + spam focus? How long did this take?


Not long though, i'm not 2H but DW club/rapier. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 26 2013, 04:19
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QUOTE(unknownxz. @ Feb 25 2013, 17:15) *

Not long though, i'm not 2H but DW club/rapier. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Hmmm.... a fellow club/rapier player (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) . I'd like to see your weapons. Do you use shade too?
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post Feb 26 2013, 04:29
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Is there any 2H/shade player? How are you finding the new patch?
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post Feb 26 2013, 04:29
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QUOTE(unknownxz. @ Feb 25 2013, 21:15) *

Not long though, i'm not 2H but DW club/rapier. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Hmm I haven't tried that yet, maybe tomorrow. Estoc takes about 12-15 minutes, I don't know whether that's fast or not anymore.

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Is there any 2H/shade player? How are you finding the new patch?


Lovely

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post Feb 26 2013, 04:40
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Feb 26 2013, 09:19) *

Hmmm.... a fellow club/rapier player (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) . I'd like to see your weapons. Do you use shade too?


yea, but not full shade, i've mixed 1-3 kevlar for PMI (last patch mobs hits very hard (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) ) but now i stick with plate and power of slaughter. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 26 2013, 04:49
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QUOTE(fishinsea @ Feb 26 2013, 13:29) *

Hmm I haven't tried that yet, maybe tomorrow. Estoc takes about 12-15 minutes, I don't know whether that's fast or not anymore.
Lovely


I'm so tempted to change to shade now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) And shadowdancers are cheaper than powers, too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

But how good is your armor? Are they sup, exq, or mag?
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post Feb 26 2013, 05:12
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Feb 26 2013, 06:18) *

@xmagus

There are no battlecaster axes. Only club, rapiers, wakis, and daggers for one-handed weapons.

No? What a pity. Guess TenB has never read David Eddings and his character of Patriarch Bergsten, then.
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post Feb 26 2013, 05:30
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 25 2013, 21:49) *

I'm so tempted to change to shade now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) And shadowdancers are cheaper than powers, too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

But how good is your armor? Are they sup, exq, or mag?


It's much slower than heavy estoc but I might still be able to do IWBTH, haven't tried yet post patch (only played trio on bt twice). Agi got fucked pretty hard so not convinced about survival but it's the same or better on BT from 2 runs' worth of data. Exquisite fleet and a mag breastplate, I think just over a mil in total.
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post Feb 26 2013, 05:56
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Feb 26 2013, 10:12) *

I just did IWBTH Trio and didn't use a single potion. No mana potions, no spirit potions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . That was with shade/dw with no IA, lol.

using your DW style or 2H , starrk ??

a good things about this new patch is buffing last ALOT longer than before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 26 2013, 06:55
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It makes you evade 20% of attacks that would otherwise land.

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post Feb 26 2013, 07:08
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@Battlecaster Arcanist above: Might as well use frugal cloth. But no, it isn't really viable past certain point that is very low level due the way EDB and prof scales, aside from low INT and WIS on equips and no staff cutting your damage by about a third - you'll lose increasing % of your damage, so you'll be doing less than half the damage you would otherwise(with mana cost not much better than a good Focus staff which sacrifices far, far less). Taking twice thrice, four,etc times the time for lesser rewards is no good.

@aurabolt: You know what you did.
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post Feb 26 2013, 07:12
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Did what?

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=2469935
That one's fine—it's basically the same answer I gave.

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=2469623
Your English there made what you're trying to say wrong.

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