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Oct 23 2010, 20:13
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Oct 23 2010, 19:06)  Me, proud melee maxed out all my HP, Magic and overcharge tanks. All usefull support/healing spells are also maxed.
What now? Should I bother getting a spell or just max out all xxx-ratings ?
max out all.
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Oct 23 2010, 20:16
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Ichy
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Oct 23 2010, 20:13)  max out all.
oh noes more skillpoint farming (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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Oct 23 2010, 20:26
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Sayo Aisaka
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QUOTE(mr daniels @ Oct 23 2010, 16:22)  A rough calculation indicates that the first one does more Holy damage.
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Oct 23 2010, 20:43
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Battle_Hunter
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i've heard the Gods/Legendaries are basically unaffected by physical attacks, but what i don't get is why everyone advices to go against them with Holy/Dark spells
are they weak against them, or just more damaging than elemental ones?
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Oct 23 2010, 20:47
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Death Grunty
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Gods should be the least of your worries at that level. AS for legendaries.. yes holy is the easiest way to deal with them. (And yes it's about attacking their weakness.)
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Oct 23 2010, 20:53
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Battle_Hunter
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QUOTE(Death Grunty @ Oct 23 2010, 12:47)  Gods should be the least of your worries at that level. AS for legendaries.. yes holy is the easiest way to deal with them. (And yes it's about attacking their weakness.)
hmm, and if i decided to wait 'til level 150 to get the Dark stuff, is that more damaging than the Holy spells?
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Oct 23 2010, 20:56
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Death Grunty
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Can't say. I beat them the oldschool bleed/poison way.
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Oct 23 2010, 20:59
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Battle_Hunter @ Oct 23 2010, 19:53)  hmm, and if i decided to wait 'til level 150 to get the Dark stuff, is that more damaging than the Holy spells?
QUOTE(Death Grunty @ Oct 23 2010, 19:47)  (And yes it's about attacking their weakness.)
That said, read the weaknesses. Btw think a little before asking. This post has been edited by cmdct: Oct 23 2010, 20:59
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Oct 23 2010, 22:07
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snorkie
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Oct 23 2010, 22:22
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(snorkie @ Oct 23 2010, 21:07)  I don't really know if my character stats and equipment stats are above average right now. Can anyone give me some feedback on which stats I should improve on?
abilities are ok, get haste as your next spell. For melee the 4 auras, but I would get all auras for the xp first (you need to train new auras slots first) Your armour is weak, get silk with high evade, or heavy plate with high physical absorption for cake setting. Stats they're good but I raising the first 4 at your level will be better.
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Oct 24 2010, 03:14
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20200
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QUOTE(Battle_Hunter @ Oct 23 2010, 11:43)  i've heard the Gods/Legendaries are basically unaffected by physical attacks, but what i don't get is why everyone advices to go against them with Holy/Dark spells
are they weak against them, or just more damaging than elemental ones?
Did you really just ask this?
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Oct 24 2010, 03:36
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Melni
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Testing. I'm going to ask you for help but I can't put URLs in my 1st post.
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Oct 24 2010, 03:37
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Melni
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Sorry for bombarding you with my noobness but you are the only ones who can help me out. I'm lvl 18 newbie and I'm asking you for some pieces of advise. I was going to make a good melee fighter but I believe I screwed a little since its getting hard to win even common battles (I can last 16 rounds in grindfest). Please tell me what should I do with: 1. My stats - Should I keep going in STR, DEX and END or try to balance all? I thought I don't really need INT and WIS cuz the only spell I need to cast is cure. 2. My eqip - I know it looks more like a parody of eq but I haven't found the way to make money to afford good one. ( The thing i know is that I should change my club for a rapier cause with that stingy club I can't even kick any minibosse's ass). And since I don't want to be a mage I thought I'll be all heav-armored, but after I had bought 1st two pieces I started to worry if it won't affect my atttack speed. Can someone tell me if it really makes a difference? And about buying an eq - should I save some money and buy stuff xxx lvls higher than me so I'll have nothing to worry through all this time or should I buy more suited to my lvl and just change with a time..? 3. Skills - (?) 4 - Training - should I invest 1st in my battle abilities or rather in loot so I can make money? (And should I even spend credits for training while I don't have full set of equip?) [ img253.imageshack.us] (IMG:[img253.imageshack.us] http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/996/91414881.th.jpg) [ img375.imageshack.us] (IMG:[img375.imageshack.us] http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4139/79672511.th.jpg) [ img513.imageshack.us] (IMG:[img513.imageshack.us] http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6571/51511155.th.jpg) [ img535.imageshack.us] (IMG:[img535.imageshack.us] http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7595/98795835.th.jpg) Btw I haven't activated any aura yet. Which one should I do? Red/orange/green? Thats quite a lot and sorry for that. Thanks in advance for your help.
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Oct 24 2010, 06:00
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Red of EHCOVE
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So my first attempt at Real Life ended in defeat, although I guess I was trying to be cheap - took just one Mana Elixir (and some Spirits I never got around to use). I was using 1H PA and my 40% block shield, I took him down 50% before I run out of mana. Looking at the sheer numbers,I think if I take mostly elixirs, I should take him down that way (I was trying to use godlies, which were enough for Bosses; I guess I underestimated the difficulty jump). But a lot of previous advice was for using dual weapons (bleeding axe and PA rapier). My proficiencies are similar (dual is the lowest at 85, 1H and shield are at 100-105). Yet in item world, normal difficulty, dual hand (axe+rapier) fails me around round 80, while my 1H(axe)+shield reached lv. 118 and could have kept going for few more rounds (but lv. 118 was the item clear level). This suggests to me that, while dual may have higher damage out per round, 1h+shield have a better staying power, and thus, eventually, a higher damage output. The reason I went with rapier instead of axe for RL, even through in IW the 1h(rapier)+shield is about as efficient for me as dual wielding, was because I estimated my axe bleed damage to be about 25% less than PA poison damage. Do you think, next time, I should try: * 1h rapier + shield with more elixirs * 1h axe + shield * 2h axe + rapier? Lastly. How important is (soul) mitigation for RL (I use none), and should I use Bewilder+Absorb instead of my current Blind? QUOTE(Melni @ Oct 23 2010, 21:37)  Sorry for bombarding you with my noobness but you are the only ones who can help me out. 1) I prefer to keep stats balanced, with END and WIS being slightly above aveage if possible (around my current lv,, 118-ish, you should reach a point where your stats are equal to your level, till then, I had only end over the level, wis at level, everything else slighty below). 2) I am pretty sure there is at least one high level player who declared in his shop (see WTS) that he is giving free equips to newbies. If I wasn't selling all my junk, I'd do the same. What to use - at low levels I prefer heavy armor, and I always went more fighter than mage, but it is a question of preference. Stun weapons do seem to be unpopular, popular weapons include axes, rapiers, longswords, and the katanta/wakizashi combo. 3) Mana tank! 4) Some low level training is worth the price early on, I'd say few levels of item scavenger, maybe the first two of luck of draw. Saving for pack rat and eventually refined auras is a must. 5) I like defense auras, as they are useful no matter whether you go mage or warrior (evade, absorption) This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: Oct 24 2010, 06:07
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Oct 24 2010, 06:18
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(Red_Piotrus @ Oct 23 2010, 21:00)  So my first attempt at Real Life ended in defeat, although I guess I was trying to be cheap - took just one Mana Elixir (and some Spirits I never got around to use). I was using 1H PA and my 40% block shield, I took him down 50% before I run out of mana. Looking at the sheer numbers,I think if I take mostly elixirs, I should take him down that way (I was trying to use godlies, which were enough for Bosses; I guess I underestimated the difficulty jump). But a lot of previous advice was for using dual weapons (bleeding axe and PA rapier). My proficiencies are similar (dual is the lowest at 85, 1H and shield are at 100-105). Yet in item world, normal difficulty, dual hand (axe+rapier) fails me around round 80, while my 1H(axe)+shield reached lv. 118 and could have kept going for few more rounds (but lv. 118 was the item clear level). This suggests to me that, while dual may have higher damage out per round, 1h+shield have a better staying power, and thus, eventually, a higher damage output. The reason I went with rapier instead of axe for RL, even through in IW the 1h(rapier)+shield is about as efficient for me as dual wielding, was because I estimated my axe bleed damage to be about 25% less than PA poison damage. Do you think, next time, I should try: * 1h rapier + shield with more elixirs * 1h axe + shield * 2h axe + rapier? Lastly. How important is (soul) mitigation for RL (I use none), and should I use Bewilder+Absorb instead of my current Blind? Go with Axe/Rapier. The reason that's the recommended combo is because all the gods are Physical resistant. Even with PA up, you do pitiful amounts of damage. Bleed, however, is unaffected by resistance. Axe in main hand since bleed is your primary source of damage. Rapier is fine in offhand since you only need it to proc periodically to recast poison. You should be doing more damage with Bleed at your level then PA poison IIRC. It might be because your dual wield prof. is a little low. You don't need soul mitigation, and it's honestly not worth it at all anyways. Bewilder is probably useless since his skills are physical and I don't think you can survive even a bewildered Internet Shutdown (someone correct me on that if I'm wrong). Weaken+Blind and maybe just cast Absorb when his spirit bar is full. This post has been edited by Conquest101: Oct 24 2010, 06:19
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Oct 24 2010, 08:12
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Red of EHCOVE
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Still failed, just this time took him 90% down, but wasted 7 mana elixirs.
Looking at the numbers, I should have been able to do that with the shield + something and fewer elixirs.
Bleed is the problem. The damn axe needs to be leveled up, that's the problem. If it was up to my level, it would be doing 25% more bleed, that's enough for me to win this last combat. But I gain 1 level per day if I do all the arenas and IW I want, and so does the item... damn.
This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: Oct 24 2010, 08:13
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Oct 24 2010, 12:45
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Death Grunty
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Your axe is good enough to beat it. I beat RL with a far worse axe, and beat IPU and FSM with an axe that has about the same bleed as yours (yours: 4*143, mine: 3*192 = both about 570 damage).
The problem is in strategy. If you go DW expect to burn much more mana. If you don't care then just take hella lot elixirs and prevail. Basic strategy: Bleed+PA:Poison, Weaken (and optionally when it's close to full SP Bewilder + Absorb, if you go the Absorb route cast Bewilder cuz with both up there's a higher chance of getting absorbed.) As for buffs go with SW, Haste, Regen and Spark of Life. Also what about your equipment? I went full Evade against RL. Cause shielding-aura sucks. The thing about this strategy it's a mana burner.
But since you have that awesome shield and took it down to 50% with 1 mana elixir I'd advise you use axe/shield. Your axe should do similar damage to your poison. But you'll waste less mana on poison. With axe+shield you'll obviously cast poison (since it reduces targets evade chance, and halvs its MP and SP regen rates) but you'll waste less mana and deal more damage than with PA:poison. (Bleed + normal poison > PA:Poison)
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Oct 24 2010, 14:24
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Red_Piotrus @ Oct 24 2010, 07:12)  Bleed is the problem. The damn axe needs to be leveled up, that's the problem. If it was up to my level, it would be doing 25% more bleed, that's enough for me to win this last combat. But I gain 1 level per day if I do all the arenas and IW I want, and so does the item... damn.
Don't forget proficiency also increases the bleed damage.
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Oct 24 2010, 15:14
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Sayo Aisaka
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QUOTE(Red_Piotrus @ Oct 24 2010, 05:00)  My proficiencies are similar (dual is the lowest at 85, 1H and shield are at 100-105). Yet in item world, normal difficulty, dual hand (axe+rapier) fails me around round 80, while my 1H(axe)+shield reached lv. 118 and could have kept going for few more rounds (but lv. 118 was the item clear level).
This suggests to me that, while dual may have higher damage out per round, 1h+shield have a better staying power, and thus, eventually, a higher damage output.
You can't compare Item World with fighting a single enemy such as Real Life. You don't get the benefit of PA in an Item World, because it rarely procs, and casting Poison is completely pointless even when you do get it. Against RL, on the other hand, it's very useful.
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Oct 24 2010, 19:18
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ki1ler7
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Hey guys quick question whats the formula to cast things like cure and protect because my protect spell is costing me 10 mana and i know it use to cost me 7
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