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No, I'm poor so no big hath. If I save up a while longer I could get to 1-1.5 million credits I think. If I buy a Heimdall piece for that, would that be enough for a very long time?

No, not really. Exq kataloxes of destruction can go several times that. Takes a bit effort, but I've randomly thrown few hundred k on a heimdall piece as well though.

This post has been edited by Lement: Feb 8 2013, 00:02

I meant not staff but Armor. Like a single medium Magnificient or good Exquisite piece of Heimdall for 1.5 Million. If I start levelling and forging that, would that be good enough that at let's say level 275 I would still be satisfied with it?

Are you aware that a single phazon can go for 7 haths nowadays? Forging isn't cheap, exactly. Ten forges would cost you about as much as the piece itself.

I'd say that getting mag for that is improbable, good exq is more likely.

I understand what you're trying to do, and in the long run it would save cash, but it does take time. You could set up an IW service for cash if you need it, I myself will no longer be doing that though.

This post has been edited by Lement: Feb 8 2013, 00:14

I have no idea how forging works yet lol. I find that out later.

What I mean is that I don't want to start levelling or forging something okayish and then when I am done I need something new. That would seem like a Waste. So I want to invest everything into one very good piece of Equipment that will still be good then.

edit at your edit: okay thanks, do you think it is a good idea though?

This post has been edited by YinX: Feb 8 2013, 00:16

I think that saving up for pieces like that is a good idea, but I don't have the patience myself.

And you'll still be replacing things even if you get a good magnificent piece eventually.

However, at times there will be drought of replacements, while at times the price difference between them would be so big you'd rather forge. The above exq would cost several times less if it was superior with same rolls, or more if it was magnificent by same rolls, and the benefits of exq is just 5%, and mag 10% so it can be covered by five forges.

But forging phase will probably give you less benefit than forging staff's suffix with 1-, maybe 2- high wood.

This post has been edited by Lement: Feb 8 2013, 00:23

Fully upgrading EDB on a legendary phase costs about 10.2M. Maxing an additional 3 PABs will cost another 14.9M for a total of 25.1M. That doesn't include the hit, physical defense, magic defense, evade, or a 4th PAB. If you want to upgrade something, you better start with something good cause the cause of upgrades is far far more than the cost of the gear.
-edit- fixed numbers

This post has been edited by Arxdewn: Feb 8 2013, 01:12

So I just got
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=41b3549a51

to replace
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a38609b9e6

Unfortunately, a test arena and hourly run showed me the new weapon is vastly inferior. Is void damage THAT much better?

This post has been edited by kramerica: Feb 8 2013, 01:22

You replaced a slaughter with balance. Void counts for a good chunk as well.

I have no idea how forging works yet lol. I find that out later.

What I mean is that I don't want to start levelling or forging something okayish and then when I am done I need something new. That would seem like a Waste. So I want to invest everything into one very good piece of Equipment that will still be good then.

edit at your edit: okay thanks, do you think it is a good idea though?

Think it would be better to get all exquisites with good stats and not worry about forging - ever. The boost from forging is way too low to be considered useful unless you spend a few millions and even then without significant time spent on the game getting all decent pieces would be more efficient than one really expensive piece.

You can buy some pretty decent superior/exquisite stuff in the WTS section for your armor. For better quality, there's mastercard luck of the draw.

This post has been edited by Falbala456: Feb 8 2013, 01:56

little question to PK678353
how expensiv is ur robe?

what are the max stats for phase clothes?
evasion
stats

Elemental gear is far less expensive, that robe is about 300k?

For max stats: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/equipment_ranges

Think it would be better to get all exquisites with good stats and not worry about forging - ever.

If you play long enough you'll eventually get to the point where either:

A. You have all Legendary equipment or mag with max rolls that can't really be upgraded by buying new stuff (this is where the richest players end up who have shitloads of hath).

or...

B. You have equipment where the only upgrades you can buy are waaaay out of your price range and even if one showed up you'd be outbid by the "scenario A" players. (yes, this is where I am at (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif), how am I suppose to get Legendary SD when HTTP will pay 20-25 million for it. I can't compete with that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) )

My point is for a lot of people the only way left to improve their equipment is by forging. So I wouldn't say to not worry about it "ever". Maybe after level 300 you can start worrying about it. Any sooner is probably a little premature unless you already have an epic piece (like one dropped for you or something).

You replaced a slaughter with balance. Void counts for a good chunk as well.

For maces, that is.

For estocs, not as much.

The reason is because you go up against custom mobs that are, generally speaking, resistant to crushing damage (Dragons and Giants come to mind). This is when Void really comes into its own. Also, because maces proc Stun and not PA.

Estocs, OTOH, proc PA, which is much, much better (you can't upgrade specific mitigations yet, but you can sure as hell upgrade physical mitigation), so Void damage is less of an issue. A good Balance Estoc will help you land hits more often and crit more often as well.

If you play long enough you'll eventually get to the point where either:

A. You have all Legendary equipment or mag with max rolls that can't really be upgraded by buying new stuff (this is where the richest players end up who have shitloads of hath).

or...

B. You have equipment where the only upgrades you can buy are waaaay out of your price range and even if one showed up you'd be outbid by the "scenario A" players. (yes, this is where I am at (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif), how am I suppose to get Legendary SD when HTTP will pay 20-25 million for it. I can't compete with that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) )

My point is for a lot of people the only way left to improve their equipment is by forging. So I wouldn't say to not worry about it "ever". Maybe after level 300 you can start worrying about it. Any sooner is probably a little premature unless you already have an epic piece (like one dropped for you or something).

Forging early is okay, though I think selling the mats for trainings is better at early levels. Though if you score something awesome then you should forge it and use it, regardless of level.

Forging early is okay, though I think selling the mats for trainings is better at early levels. Though if you score something awesome then you should forge it and use it, regardless of level.

The 1% bonus doesn't really seem worth spending 100k imo, at least for WD/MDB/EDB. Being able to do BT up to trio at a reasonable rate (never relying on focus/ET) should be "good enough" for most players, and a set to do that won't be expensive or need any forging. This is just my opinion though cause I would rather buy hath and get gallery perks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

The 1% bonus doesn't really seem worth spending 100k imo, at least for WD/MDB/EDB. Being able to do BT up to trio at a reasonable rate (never relying on focus/ET) should be "good enough" for most players

Not good enough for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) . I want to be able to IWBTH mags and legendaries on IW. Right now I can barely pull through on BT if I used all mana and spirit elixirs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) . But yes, I agree that forging is very expensive, and the one percent increase isn't much. But you have to forge a lot for it to pay off. Put about 50 slaughters on an estoc and you'll notice a difference (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . I guess maybe a good way to go about it is to try to get a few of the crysperks so you can get enough high level monsters to farm high grades.

If you play long enough you'll eventually get to the point where either:

A. You have all Legendary equipment or mag with max rolls that can't really be upgraded by buying new stuff (this is where the richest players end up who have shitloads of hath).

or...

B. You have equipment where the only upgrades you can buy are waaaay out of your price range and even if one showed up you'd be outbid by the
"scenario A" players.

More likely,
C. Before A or B happened, T casts 'version up' on HV and all you once-great Leg/Mag equips are all trash.

This post has been edited by HTTP/308: Feb 8 2013, 07:55

Not good enough for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) . I want to be able to IWBTH mags and legendaries on IW. Right now I can barely pull through on BT if I used all mana and spirit elixirs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) . But yes, I agree that forging is very expensive, and the one percent increase isn't much. But you have to forge a lot for it to pay off. Put about 50 slaughters on an estoc and you'll notice a difference (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . I guess maybe a good way to go about it is to try to get a few of the crysperks so you can get enough high level monsters to farm high grades.

Tbh, I think if you got IA 2 it would improve performance more than 15 levels of damage on the estoc. I don't have it myself so I'm not sure about it though.

More likely,
C. Before A or B happened, T casts 'version up' on HV and all you once-great Leg/Mag equips are all trash.

I knew I forgot a reason (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)