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High enough PMI or high enough evade/parry combined with regen/regen II will eventually completely bypass this issue (even 10 mobs at once won't be a problem). Until you get to that point, sleep/weaken/silence do wonders. I actually use to use sleep the most, especially for hourlies, when I was at that level.

just wondering , how high your evade , starrk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

weaken & silence is the best for hourlies (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
( even though now i never use silence anymore for hourlies even against 10 mobs , just use weaken )

High enough PMI or high enough evade/parry combined with regen/regen II will eventually completely bypass this issue (even 10 mobs at once won't be a problem). Until you get to that point, sleep/weaken/silence do wonders. I actually use to use sleep the most, especially for hourlies, when I was at that level.

Hm...I can acknowledge the efficiency of sleep for RE, I just want to know if it also works in arenas? Or if I should just try to max my action speed and try to stun everything first?

High enough PMI or high enough evade/parry combined with regen/regen II will eventually completely bypass this issue (even 10 mobs at once won't be a problem). Until you get to that point, sleep/weaken/silence do wonders. I actually use to use sleep the most, especially for hourlies, when I was at that level.

Yep, but you get nasty growing pains if your armor sucks or you can't finish mobs quickly (and with his PMI and his non-void weapons, I think he's got both problems). Dual Wield has a definite hump to get over in the mid-100s before you get the gear you need to not give a shit that there's 10 mobs who don't like you. Shade has that issue too (shitty Shade may as well be Phase for all the good it does).


That's certainly what I remember from when I was DW, but back then all armor pretty much sucked, so it was kind of hard to get over that hump, so I went mage instead. Sleep was my best friend before that though, got me as far as the Level 4 Arena on IWBTH.

Lately after hitting around 190 I've noticed that enemy spell damage is really starting to get ridiculous. On Nintendo or higher I'd randomly just get blasted by a spell or spirit move that does like 15k damage and instantly KO me from full health. Is the only way to avoid this really to keep Spark up all the time? It gets really taxing on MP not to mention spark taking 50% of your spirit combined with spirit stance destroys spirit as well. Absorb helps out with the magic attacks but isn't safe on it only works 75% of the time so if I get unlucky and eat that 25% it's OHKO I'm dead. Spirit Shield helps but that also gets really taxing on MP keeping it up.

This is really the main issue I'm having and prevents me from doing more than 70 rounds of any difficulty higher than hell since I run out of pots trying to keep SS or Spark up. Can any melee players give me some advice?

just wondering , how high your evade , starrk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

It would be higher if I had monsters who could bring me a steady supply of HG's (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) . I think I might forge my helmet's evade some, though my gauntlets definitely aren't good enough. Still looking for an upgrade good enough to replace them.

Double post

This post has been edited by varst: Jan 14 2013, 13:35

This is really the main issue I'm having and prevents me from doing more than 70 rounds of any difficulty higher than hell since I run out of pots trying to keep SS or Spark up. Can any melee players give me some advice?

What's the equip set you're using right now? Still the ones you've mentioned here?

You may need a good estoc of slughter to boost the damage output then; vampire isn't the best choice.

What's the equip set you're using right now?

Wep http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=85c1d1d700
Helm http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7a0a31f1ae
Body http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b80d5e0a65
Hands http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7323995386
Legs http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f68f2a8244
Shoes http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1264a27897

Stats:

Physical Attack
2349.5 base damage
127.1 % hit chance
36.2 % crit chance

Magical Attack
636.7 base damage
90 % hit chance
4.5 % crit chance
117 % mana cost

Damage Mitigation
61.4 % physical
45.6 % magical

Avoidance
18.1 % evade
0 % block
21.6 % parry
40.2 % resist

Compromise
34.2 interference
19.3 burden

Kill (or stun) the enemy before they can cast spell is the most effective method.

Hm...I can acknowledge the efficiency of sleep for RE, I just want to know if it also works in arenas? Or if I should just try to max my action speed and try to stun everything first?

Stun just doesn't last long enough to do that (even with my action speed and two SS lv.5 weapons it doesn't, although once I get my fourth turn it'll probably help (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) ). At most, you can stun one or two of the tough enemies right away but that's it. Sleep is good for those rounds where you get tons of high PLs (say Eila, Elizabeth, Lindwurm, Sushilicious, and Noihara all in one round, lol (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ). The main issue you have to be aware of is that their MP and SP bars keep building while under sleep. So if you leave them too long they'll have maxed out bars when you wake them up. A club really helps with this because you can stun them right as you wake them up and finish them before they have a chance to attack. A while ago, if I had the MP to spare, I would sometimes combine sleep and silence on Eila (although this is a bit overkill for me now).

Stun just doesn't last long enough to do that (even with my action speed and two SS lv.5 weapons it doesn't, although once I get my fourth turn it'll probably help (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) ). At most, you can stun one or two of the tough enemies right away but that's it. Sleep is good for those rounds where you get tons of high PLs (say Eila, Elizabeth, Lindwurm, Sushilicious, and Noihara all in one round, lol (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ). The main issue you have to be aware of is that their MP and SP bars keep building while under sleep. So if you leave them too long they'll have maxed out bars when you wake them up. A club really helps with this because you can stun them right as you wake them up and finish them before they have a chance to attack. A while ago, if I had the MP to spare, I would sometimes combine sleep and silence on Eila (although this is a bit overkill for me now).

That club is so unfortunate...

It's good to hear that sleep works! At least partially. As for the downside, will changing into confuse helps? The only thing I am not sure is if monsters will use their skills on other monsters, since I don't have that spell for like...forever? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Wep http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=85c1d1d700

Maybe you should have a try with ethereal estoc/mace of slaughter? Maybe you're just having insufficient defense.
One of the issue with mace is that you're letting monsters to collect MP/SP. And with insufficient offense, you're going to get hit too many times.
I'm not an expert in light kevlar though, you better ask Evil_Scorpio.

This post has been edited by varst: Jan 14 2013, 15:31

Strange is something wrong with the "HentaiVerse Equipment Comparison" script???

For example if I try to compare these 2 equipments

Exquisite Shade Helmet of Negation

and

Exquisite Shade Helmet of Negation

It shows me this crap here



Its without a doubt wrong.

I defenitely activated the right equipment slot but it walways shows me the wrong data no matter which equipment I try to compare.

I dont remember that it ever happened before. I even tried to reinstall it but wihtout a success.
Any idea?


Edit: I found out that he compares the helmet slot with my feet slot. How the fuck is that even possible O.o?
Feet slot equipment as proof Superior Shade Boots of Negation

This post has been edited by Bonebuster: Jan 14 2013, 15:55

A bit late to the party but here's my current equipment set.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=32d8389d20
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=937ccd27fa
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1d0edb6446
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c5ed692d42
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7230bfe837
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=d6d12ac07f
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=536b252b28

I had a bit more of a heavy build but recently found some Kevlar armour I think is actually decent and some shade boots. I almost managed a shade breastplate but it popped up seconds after I bought my shade feet and no longer had the spare credits.

Oh, God... Check your MoogleMail, I've sent you some stuff. Maybe it'll be useful. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Wep http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=85c1d1d700
Helm http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7a0a31f1ae
Body http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b80d5e0a65
Hands http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7323995386
Legs http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f68f2a8244
Shoes http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1264a27897

Switch to ethereal estoc. Slaughter or Illithid/Battlecaster. Also you can replace one of the Kevlar pieces with good Shade of the Fleet piece to improve weapon damage and - most inportantly - Evade.

Maybe you should have a try with ethereal estoc/mace of slaughter? Maybe you're just having insufficient defense.
One of the issue with mace is that you're letting monsters to collect MP/SP. And with insufficient offense, you're going to get hit too many times.
I'm not an expert in light kevlar though, you better ask Evil_Scorpio.

Switch to ethereal estoc. Slaughter or Illithid/Battlecaster. Also you can replace one of the Kevlar pieces with good Shade of the Fleet piece to improve weapon damage and - most inportantly - Evade.

The damage I do really is pretty low but I think it comes from not having PA proc from an Estoc. I can use a much weaker Estoc that's 100 attack less than my mace and still kill enemies way faster than with my mace. The problem I have with the Estoc though is without being able to stun enemies once the number of enemies hits 6 or so I can no longer manage their regular attack damage anymore and I have to cure every turn just to keep up with the damage and that drains even more MP than with my Mace (and I still die in one hit to magic/spirit attacks with the plate armor as well).

I tried out a Plate "of protection" set with an Estoc and it has 10% PMI higher than my Kevlar set but still doesn't do as well as the Mace + Kevlar.

So in the end if I want to kill the enemies fast so they can't charge up MP/SP I use an Estoc and can no longer deal with their regular attacks. If I use my mace I can deal with attacks from 8+ enemies but as soon as one of them charges up MP/SP I'm in trouble.

I'm not sure how big of a difference leveling up equipment will make but 154 straight rounds of item world is a bit more than I can manage at the moment.





This post has been edited by Amalyne: Jan 14 2013, 15:52

@ Bonebuster

Yeah, mine is bugging too. Just sometimes though, not always. When it displays wrong values I press Q once or twice and it corrects itself.

The damage I do really is pretty low but I think it comes from not having PA proc from an Estoc. I can use a much weaker Estoc that's 100 attack less than my mace and still kill enemies way faster than with my mace. The problem I have with the Estoc though is without being able to stun enemies once the number of enemies hits 6 or so I can no longer manage their regular attack damage anymore and I have to cure every turn just to keep up with the damage and that drains even more MP than with my Mace (and I still die in one hit to magic/spirit attacks with the plate armor as well).

I tried out a Plate "of protection" set with an Estoc and it has 10% PMI higher than my Kevlar set but still doesn't do as well as the Mace + Kevlar.

So in the end if I want to kill the enemies fast so they can't charge up MP/SP I use an Estoc and can no longer deal with their regular attacks. If I use my mace I can deal with attacks from 8+ enemies but as soon as one of them charges up MP/SP I'm in trouble.

I'm not sure how big of a difference leveling up equipment will make but 154 straight rounds of item world is a bit more than I can manage at the moment.

1. As I said - try to replace one piece of your kevlar set with Fleet Shade. A good piece with high Evade. I'd advise Leggings or Gauntlets. Light armor users need Evade as much as PMI. It'll help you to take less damage by simply avoiding it.
2. Use Haste all the time. You're a punching bag without it, it's even more important than Protection and Shadow Veil spells.
3. Forge your set as much and often as you can. There is no reason to not do it. Every slight increase of PMI and Evade works at your side. Other stats too.

This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: Jan 14 2013, 16:02

just a quick question is there any way to increase spirit regen thanks

just a quick question is there any way to increase spirit regen thanks

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Character_Stats#Regeneration_Rates

thanks
thanks
thanks

that just answered next 3 questions

Oh, God... Check your MoogleMail, I've sent you some stuff. Maybe it'll be useful. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'm going to guess what i posted was mind numbingly horrifying and I should probably delete that post so that none can see the horror that was my gear?
Oh and thanks. Thank yous are always important.