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post Jan 10 2013, 14:37
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QUOTE(ahenayau @ Jan 10 2013, 12:49) *
how much his HP in IWBTH ??

0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=32 (Flying Spaghetti Monster) LV=315 HP=8976880
So probably about half (?) of that on yor level.

QUOTE(varst @ Jan 10 2013, 12:58) *
If the formula's correct, should be around 9.7 million. SP shield is a much better alternative against spark. You can choose to silence FSM, but one miss and it can be fatal.

Did you use your level for the calculation? Else it seems quite off.
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post Jan 10 2013, 14:39
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QUOTE(ahenayau @ Jan 10 2013, 20:01) *

wtf , nearly 10m HP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

cancel it until i'm strong enough to deal more than 100k damage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


yeah.....you can sit on that for a while if you're aiming for 100k damage with normal attacks

my suggestion is: get a void attack piercing weapon, or shard one that's good enough

cast haste, protection(or shadow veil), regen 2, heartseeker on yourself, might need to cure occasionally if regen is not enough

and non-stop silence on FSM, preferably 100+ prof on deprecating,


I did my first IWBTH FSM at lv 207, and realize is was not hard,
just a bit time consuming (600 turns, if I recall correctly)

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post Jan 10 2013, 14:42
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Swift Strike and Butcher can be seen as good/must. But from conversation before this, endurance can also be seen as good.
Pay someone to IW it, or wait until you're strong enough to IW it yourself at higher difficulty


I dont have any problems with mastering the IW I can finish it at least at hell(+ I have time), paying someone is out of the question because i dont have the credits for that.(I hope tenboro brings donation back soon so I can at least get 10.000c + 1 hath a day)

But how does IW really works? Will I get another Swift Strike lv(2,3,4,5)? Or is it just luck whichever upgrade I get. If Swift Strike is good I would like to level it to lv5 ofc but how?

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post Jan 10 2013, 14:50
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Hi all need help/advice on my build.

Currently I'm 2h with power armour and it seems like I'm doing something wrong. Reading through the threads people are clearing arena on battletoads or iwtbh. The best I can do is iwtbh on the first couple of arenas, by the time around endgame I'm barely surviving on normal.

Here are my stats:
(IMG:[i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/HYMAS.png)

Here are my abilities:
(IMG:[i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/O6wr6.png)

my equips are:
weapon
helm
body
hands
legs
feet

My strategy is to always keep protection up and use spirit stance when overcharge is available (over 100% then burn it down). I still seem to have trouble staying alive though, I'm absolutely burning through godly health pots. During the last arenas, even on normal I'm having problems staying a live due to pots running out or mana running out.

Any tips on clearing more efficiently?

Many thanks.
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post Jan 10 2013, 14:55
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QUOTE(Bonebuster @ Jan 10 2013, 21:42) *

I dont have any problems with mastering the IW I can finish it at least at hell(+ I have time), paying someone is out of the question because i dont have the credits for that.

But how does IW really works? Will I get another Swift Strike lv(2,3,4,5)? Or is it just luck whichever upgrade I get. If Swift Strike is good I would like to level it to lv5 ofc but how?

If your weapon have all PAB that can be obtained from IW, you will not get additional PAB and can only get Swift Strike&Butcher.
It's luck whichever upgrade you get, but from what I read you have higher chance for getting additional upgrade from existing upgrade.
So, with Swift Strike lv1 as your very first upgrade you will get higher chance to get it again later.
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post Jan 10 2013, 14:56
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okay , thanks for the answer (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

btw , i don't mean 100k damage from normal atk but from skill (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

highest damage i have done to FSM ( hell difficulty ) is around 50K from backstab (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


frenzy blows actually deal more damage in total coz it's hit around 3~4k per damage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
( too bad that my OC is not enough to perform 3 consecutively skill (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif))


okay next time i will try in IWBTH
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post Jan 10 2013, 14:59
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QUOTE(desert storm @ Jan 10 2013, 16:50) *
Hi all need help/advice on my build.

Currently I'm 2h with power armour and it seems like I'm doing something wrong. Reading through the threads people are clearing arena on battletoads or iwtbh. The best I can do is iwtbh on the first couple of arenas, by the time around endgame I'm barely surviving on normal.

my equips are:
weapon
helm
body
hands
legs
feet

My strategy is to always keep protection up and use spirit stance when overcharge is available (over 100% then burn it down). I still seem to have trouble staying alive though, I'm absolutely burning through godly health pots. During the last arenas, even on normal I'm having problems staying a live due to pots running out or mana running out.

Any tips on clearing more efficiently?

Many thanks.

You need to use Estoc instead of Scythe, PA works better than Bleeding Wound nowadays. Check your MoogleMail, I've sent you a couple of things. Maybe it'll be useful. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jan 10 2013, 14:59
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QUOTE(Bonebuster @ Jan 10 2013, 20:42) *

I dont have any problems with mastering the IW I can finish it at least at hell(+ I have time), paying someone is out of the question because i dont have the credits for that.

But how does IW really works? Will I get another Swift Strike lv(2,3,4,5)? Or is it just luck whichever upgrade I get. If Swift Strike is good I would like to level it to lv5 ofc but how?


Pure luck, and determination

the only sure thing is that you won't get any stat potency if your weapon already has that stat,
so if a weapon already have every pab it can have, it won't get a endurance on it.

you can reset the potency by forging it at the cost of one amnesia shard per level ( have to reset it to zero at once, nothing in between), which isn't really worth doing unless it's a really good piece of equipment, maybe something that's worth couple million or more.

I still stand on my point of view, if you have the time to do IW in hell difficultly,
just put the same amount of effort into leveling yourself,
I find everything easier when I'm at higher level
getting better equipment, more money...etc
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post Jan 10 2013, 15:00
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QUOTE(Temchy @ Jan 10 2013, 20:37) *

0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=32 (Flying Spaghetti Monster) LV=315 HP=8976880
So probably about half (?) of that on yor level.
Did you use your level for the calculation? Else it seems quite off.


No, it's the class mod which is incorrect in wiki. The original (202) vs more recent data. You can see the mod for RL gets halved. I checked the HP at your level and it seems the class mod for FSM is close to 101 now.

QUOTE(t15 @ Jan 10 2013, 20:55) *

If your weapon have all PAB that can be obtained from IW, you will not get additional PAB and can only get Swift Strike&Butcher.

QUOTE(holerider @ Jan 10 2013, 20:59) *

the only sure thing is that you won't get any stat potency if your weapon already has that stat,
so if a weapon already have every pab it can have, it won't get a endurance on it.


There's still chance to get additional PAB for most equips though. For example,
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c109714022
You'll still get END with STR/DEX/AGI.

QUOTE(Bonebuster @ Jan 10 2013, 20:26) *

+So how do I see which upgrade is good or bad which I got from IW for the item (ex. ethreal estoc of slaughter)???
I just got Swift Strike lv1 but I dont even know if its good or bad lol.


I've heard people justifying for all three major potency on equip (namely SS, butcher, and endurance). So I would probably just say it's good to get more of them. Don't worry so much about that till you need to get your 'perfect' weapon and can do that fast enough.

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post Jan 10 2013, 15:24
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Jan 10 2013, 14:59) *

You need to use Estoc instead of Scythe, PA works better than Bleeding Wound nowadays. Check your MoogleMail, I've sent you a couple of things. Maybe it'll be useful. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Arigatou!

Any advice on build/abilities/play style? I notice even on normal difficulty in IW or arena, I'm out of mana and goldy potions by lvl 50. I figure I must be doing something wrong, I notice I take a lot of damage even with protection on and regen from godly pots, I'm losing 5% hp per round at the later levels.
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post Jan 10 2013, 15:32
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QUOTE(desert storm @ Jan 10 2013, 21:24) *

Arigatou!

Any advice on build/abilities/play style? I notice even on normal difficulty in IW or arena, I'm out of mana and goldy potions by lvl 50. I figure I must be doing something wrong, I notice I take a lot of damage even with protection on and regen from godly pots, I'm losing 5% hp per round at the later levels.


You should be doing something wrong. Have you been using cure/regen? And possibly bring mana potions into battle instead of health potions? Regen will be so much better than pots after you have some curative proficiency, but you need to use those spells in order to gain those prof.
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post Jan 10 2013, 15:34
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QUOTE(varst @ Jan 10 2013, 21:00) *

There's still chance to get additional PAB for most equips though. For example,
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c109714022
You'll still get END with STR/DEX/AGI.


my emphasis on the "every" pab thing, like an axe already with 4 pabs

but yeah, I know what you mean

QUOTE(varst @ Jan 10 2013, 21:00) *

I've heard people justifying for all three major potency on equip (namely SS, butcher, and endurance). So I would probably just say it's good to get more of them. Don't worry so much about that till you need to get your 'perfect' weapon and can do that fast enough.


I agree, It's all about picking your own poison,
and I don't really think it's worth it to worry about this kind of thing at my or the OP's level
and even if I get something like a legendary ethereal estoc of slaughter with high adb and pabs
I still wouldn't bother to IW it multiple times to get the perfect potency,
who knows when will estocs be nerfed and the next mainstream thing would become a katana or scythe.

Maybe that's just because IW in IWBTH is out of my reach for now, won't know for sure till I get there.


QUOTE(desert storm @ Jan 10 2013, 21:24) *

Arigatou!

Any advice on build/abilities/play style? I notice even on normal difficulty in IW or arena, I'm out of mana and goldy potions by lvl 50. I figure I must be doing something wrong, I notice I take a lot of damage even with protection on and regen from godly pots, I'm losing 5% hp per round at the later levels.


regen from health potions isn't recommended,
regen from the spell surpasses the potions by a long way, if you have decent prof.

carry mostly mana potions is highly preferably.

but yeah, you're probably doing something wrong if you can't survive normal arenas on your level

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post Jan 10 2013, 15:42
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QUOTE(varst @ Jan 10 2013, 15:32) *

You should be doing something wrong. Have you been using cure/regen? And possibly bring mana potions into battle instead of health potions? Regen will be so much better than pots after you have some curative proficiency, but you need to use those spells in order to gain those prof.



I do use cure/regen when mana allows but that's not very often, I have 80int and about 100wisdom but mana always seems to be in low supply. My curative prof is around 39, the tick from regen is a lot lower than the tick from health pots.
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post Jan 10 2013, 15:58
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QUOTE(desert storm @ Jan 10 2013, 21:42) *

I do use cure/regen when mana allows but that's not very often, I have 80int and about 100wisdom but mana always seems to be in low supply. My curative prof is around 39, the tick from regen is a lot lower than the tick from health pots.


You should get more WIS (probably equal to your level) and use more regen. With better curative prof, your regen will both last longer and cure more, so it's a great plus. Eventually you'll be using all mana potions.

As someone said, everyone here are more like battlecaster; melees drink mana potions and cast a lot of supportive/curative spells, and mages hit monsters for ET.
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post Jan 10 2013, 16:00
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QUOTE(desert storm @ Jan 10 2013, 22:42) *

I do use cure/regen when mana allows but that's not very often, I have 80int and about 100wisdom but mana always seems to be in low supply. My curative prof is around 39, the tick from regen is a lot lower than the tick from health pots.

I don't really know about heavy armour only ability placement.
But I believe more raw HP+MP+Spirit is better, so place HP+MP ability to full.
Train pack rat to full.
Start using regen and cure all the way when battle so your curative prof can increase.
Ideally your curative prof should be above 50% from your level.
And carry godly mana pot instead of health pot.
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post Jan 10 2013, 16:46
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I'll try stock up on mana pots and grind cure prof. Is it worth training assimilator? It seems very costly and will take awhile to save for it.
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QUOTE(desert storm @ Jan 10 2013, 21:46) *

I'll try stock up on mana pots and grind cure prof. Is it worth training assimilator? It seems very costly and will take awhile to save for it.


Not really.
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post Jan 10 2013, 17:00
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I'll try stock up on mana pots and grind cure prof. Is it worth training assimilator? It seems very costly and will take awhile to save for it.

I've sent you some pots as well. Enjoy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Jan 10 2013, 17:07
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I've sent you some pots as well. Enjoy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


thanks! will do (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Currently grinding item world on easy with a random crude item, just spamming cure1 over and over again till prof is close to my level. Will post back with results (about 100 levels to go, so might take awhile LOL).
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post Jan 10 2013, 17:49
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You need to use Estoc instead of Scythe, PA works better than Bleeding Wound nowadays. Check your MoogleMail, I've sent you a couple of things. Maybe it'll be useful. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)



No one ever sends me anything (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) T_T

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