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As a heavy warrior, I think it's more efficient to grind supportive proficiency, since it give you longer buffs.

Is the damage bonus for a ethereal weapon that reaches potency level 10 really 50%? It just sounds so good.

Damage done (before mitigation by monsters) is equal to 50% of damage done by the melee hit, counts as physical damage.

Is the damage bonus for a ethereal weapon that reaches potency level 10 really 50%? It just sounds so good.

It's not boosting damage output by 50%, but giving one elemental strike ability which deals 50% of the main damage. Also, it only applies on main target if you're using 2H.

This post has been edited by varst: Jan 9 2013, 20:48

That 50% is also reduced by resistances to that element as well.

It's not boosting damage output by 50%, but giving one elemental strike ability which deals 50% of the main damage.

Two slightly more in-depth questions regarding this/damage in general:
- is it known how the "Original_Damage_Roll" of the damage calculation works? Assuming void weapon and PA that should be the only thing that matters in damage calculation. Something simple like base damage*0.75-1.25 perhaps? Also I'm guessing crit is on a seperate check and adds 50% damage (IIRC it was 50%) if positive.
- regarding the elemental strike

Damage done (before mitigation by monsters) is equal to 50% of damage done by the melee hit, counts as physical damage

is what the wiki says. Might be the wording or just my understanding, but to me this sounds like the elemental strike damage would always be the same relative to the main hit. On the same monster of course. (i.e. mainhit 5000, elemental hit 2500 | main hit 6000, elemental hit 3000) However, to me it doesn't look like this.
Isn't it rather a "new" damage calculation just with 50% of your base damage for the Original_Damage_Roll and then physical mitigation+specific elemental mitigation applied?

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=2132910

Seems to be around 0.8-1.2.

And as wiki said, it's before damage mitigations are applied. For example, the main hit deals void damage (0% specific mitigation), while the elemental hit deals dark damage (?% mitigation). As long as ? not equal to 0, the result can be more or less than 50% damage of main hit.

This post has been edited by varst: Jan 9 2013, 21:58

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=2132910

Seems to be around 0.8-1.2.

And as wiki said, it's before damage mitigations are applied. For example, the main hit deals void damage (0% specific mitigation), while the elemental hit deals dark damage (?% mitigation). As long as ? not equal to 0, the result can be more or less than 50% damage of main hit.

It looks to me that Temchy ins't too sure the elemental strike damage is a constant ratio of the physical damage done, he's wondering if it could be a separate roll instead.

After some test, I believe there's two separate rolls.
In fact, you can pick any elemental equip to test that; just record the main damage and the elemental strike damage and compare them. If they're related, then increasing one should also force the other one to increase. But that's opposite to what I observed.

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=2132910

Seems to be around 0.8-1.2.

And as wiki said, it's before damage mitigations are applied. For example, the main hit deals void damage (0% specific mitigation), while the elemental hit deals dark damage (?% mitigation). As long as ? not equal to 0, the result can be more or less than 50% damage of main hit.

So I wasn't that far off with the estimation for the first number, thanks.

As for the second part, maybe the example was bad. Let's assume 50% dark resistance, that'd translate to elemental strike damage of 25% from the main hit; i.e. 5000-1250, 6000-1500, 10000-2500, so pretty much a constant ratio to the main hit, only affected by the elemental resistance. (assuming PA)

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18    2    Holy Strike crits Liselotte Werckmeister for 2040 holy damage.
18    1    You crit Liselotte Werckmeister for 11692 void damage.
17    3    Holy Strike crits Liselotte Werckmeister for 2381 holy damage.
17    2    You crit Liselotte Werckmeister for 10244 void damage.
15    2    Holy Strike hits Liselotte Werckmeister for 2321 holy damage.
15    1    You hit Liselotte Werckmeister for 6553 void damage.
14    2    Holy Strike crits Liselotte Werckmeister for 1700 holy damage.
14    1    You crit Liselotte Werckmeister for 9105 void damage.
13    3    Liselotte Werckmeister gains the effect Penetrated Armor.

is however what it really looks like. 18.67%, 35.42% (why is this so high though, weird non-crit interaction?), 23.24 and 17.45%. On that note, I'd be curious what Lisi's holy resist is at atm.

Or were you saying that because the specific resistance isn't 0 the rediction varies, too? That'd be very.. weird.

e: man, that post was slow, but yea, what Hoheneim said. A seperate roll for the elemental strike damage seems more likely.
e2: to me it looks like elemental strike "crits" are just for show and aren't actually increased like main hits are.
e3: found this, looks like I was on the right track, just the RNG difference for elemental strikes seem to be higher than the one for normal hits 28%>20%.
Wouldn't it be worth to add that to the wiki for those interested? If only the links to the forum post if it's not tested enough.

This post has been edited by Temchy: Jan 9 2013, 23:07

e3: found this, looks like I was on the right track,just the RNG difference for elemental strikes seem to be higher than the one for normal hits 28%>20%.
Wouldn't it be worth to add that to the wiki for those interested? If only the links to the forum post if it's not tested enough.

That range is from when everything was .72-1.28, its .8-1.2 now.

This post has been edited by kjeron: Jan 9 2013, 23:10

The drop rate for ethreal estoc is quite low. You can just buy an superior ethreal estoc of slaughter for about 50k-100k. An exquisite one is about 300k-600k.

I was so lucky that one of the monster dropped one exquisite ethreal estoc before I started to switch to 2H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). (I cant even remember when i got it lol)


Just a question but how much would I need to pay if I would let it level up by someone else? (at a rough estimate)

This post has been edited by Bonebuster: Jan 9 2013, 23:41

I was so lucky that one of the monster dropped one exquisite ethreal estoc before I started to switch to 2H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). (I cant even remember when i got it lol)
Just a question but how much would I need to pay if I would let it level up by someone else?

for exq quality it would probably be around 500K for lv1-lv10 depending on IW rounds per run

Damn so fucking much. I think there is no other way but to do it myself. The only problem is that its not allowed to use the weapon u want to level up.

And I dont have another ethreal estoc just an "exq hallowed estoc of slaughter" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif).

+ Do the IW rounds per run increas each level??

+ Is IW as hard as lets say "The Trio and the Tree" arena till round 100 or even harder? (Im unsure on which difficulty I can master it)

This post has been edited by Bonebuster: Jan 10 2013, 00:00

Do the IW rounds per run increas each level??

No, it's set forever once the equip is created.

Is IW as hard as lets say "The Trio and the Tree" arena till round 100 or even harder?

Varies based on equipment quality, you'll have to test yourself and see how it measures up.

This post has been edited by Maximum_Joe: Jan 10 2013, 00:02

Damn so fucking much. I think there is no other way but to do it myself. The only problem is that its not allowed to use the weapon u want to level up.

+ Is IW as hard as lets say "The Trio and the Tree" arena till round 100 or even harder? (Im unsure on which difficulty I can master it)

Pay for a few runs, in between doing it yourself; it will lessen the tedium. Also Exqs cost around 32 credits (varies based on rounds) per pxp, so an IWBTH run would cost roughly 50k. Well worth it IMO.

It's harder than trio. IW mobs str increases 1% per round, so you really start taking damage once you get past 100 rounds. Exq have about 150 rounds. You really have to focus on having high PMI to last that long, or you'll be spamming scrolls / cures near the end (which will give you mana issues).

On BT i can prety much wear whatever for 100 rounds T&T, and it doesn't take more than a handful of potions (w/o shards). For 150 rounds Exq BT, have to switch out my slaughter armor-70.6% pmi total (can still finish, but requires spamming scrolls, cure, SoL near end--not conducive to grinding) for plate. With power gauntlets-72% pmi, somehow still some big hits near the end make me cautious. With plate/protection gauntlets-74%pmi, pretty much breezed through it w/o any bothers at end. If you're gonna do grind sessions, definitely use shards.

Damn so fucking much. I think there is no other way but to do it myself. The only problem is that its not allowed to use the weapon u want to level up.

And I dont have another ethreal estoc just an "exq hallowed estoc of slaughter" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif).

+ Do the IW rounds per run increas each level??

+ Is IW as hard as lets say "The Trio and the Tree" arena till round 100 or even harder? (Im unsure on which difficulty I can master it)

I paid for my weapon to be leveled, and to be frank, it doesn't really make that much of a difference
before I was using my maxed out ethereal estoc, I was using a wind strike one, all I had to do was to shard it, and it made no differences, actually had better stats than the one I'm using now.

but maxing it out did make me stop shopping around for weapons all the time, so in a weird way, that's a plus.

My advice is, don't bother if your low on cash, and if you have the time to do IW in lower difficulty, why not just do some leveling, it really becomes easier when you're at higher level.

This post has been edited by holerider: Jan 10 2013, 00:42

I think I will try it out myself first maybe on Nintendo(just to see how it is) since my mitgation is only at 63.8 % + my OC tanks arent maxed out yet.

How much PXP do u get on that difficulty or on battleloads (169 rounds)?

This post has been edited by Bonebuster: Jan 10 2013, 01:28

I think I will try it out myself first maybe on Nintendo(just to see how it is) since my mitgation is only at 63.8 % + my OC tanks arent maxed out yet.

How much PXP do u get on that difficulty or on battleloads?

don't think you can do higher than nightmare or hell, you can still give it a try though

Settings

BT gives x5 pxp

To be fair, "exquisite hallowed estoc of slaughter" can be much more worth it to level up depending on the stats.

If you are raising a monster that only has physical skills, is there any benefit to adding to their Int/Wis?