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Jan 6 2013, 17:00
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chamois
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QUOTE(ahenayau @ Jan 6 2013, 16:59)  i'm planning to sell my Estoc & couple ethereal weapon and back to DW again (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) You'll regret
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Jan 6 2013, 17:58
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Nightwishman
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I've tried it 2H (mace, estoc, longswords, scythes), DW (club, rapier) and 1H (Club, shield).
And so far, I've found the Mace to give me the best survival rates, takes 1-2 hits to kill most monsters on normal; and usually procs multi-hit enough to make it seem like only-half of the monsters spawned in when it comes to killing speed. Its stun is great vs. bosses; and general mobs.
As for Estoc...I tried it on FSM...and I was not impressed. Nor vs. normal mobs. I know higher level players playing in higher diffuclties like estocs for armor pierce, but pre 150 or even 175, I think Mace is the way to go.
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Jan 6 2013, 18:01
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Temchy
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Jan 6 2013, 03:17)  "blasting through" is only achievable after you've significantly invested into gear. And by that I mean something like holyshit staff, some awesome phases. Basically to even attempt BT, you should have about 30k magescore, I'd say, which is just not possible with average gear.
Even on normal difficulty? Bummer. Maybe I'll get some DW prof then should work well enough with schoolgirls and I won't need a completely new gearset. QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Jan 6 2013, 03:17)  Oh and, no matter how good your gear is, you'll be curing, a LOT.
Welp, considering that's mostly the reason I don't play (much) IWBTH that seals the deal anyways. Thanks.
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Jan 6 2013, 18:04
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Lement
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You don't want to survive longer, you want to kill more and more. For the record: QUOTE 20% evade [02:23] Skillchip going to say it as 9/7/5/3/1 [02:24] Skillchip 62/56/47/38/30
Which are monster numbers and mitigation values with equal stat bleeder and estoc. Scytche has obviously advantage in damage. Though at your level, monsters have far less evade, which benefits estoc. @Temchy: Mage is faster, but hurts more from lack of goodness due the 1/(HP - damage) effect on surviving monsters. I use godly health and regen II to keep my health up on heroic and can absorb the unlucky cases with IA'd spark, but tbh using godly health works pretty much like cure+regen so won't help your case. If you have good profs you can probably 'blast through' with just Regen II and some IA buffs on normal arenas with decent unforged equips, but you'll have to target monsters strong against your element. This post has been edited by Lement: Jan 6 2013, 18:11
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Jan 6 2013, 18:12
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losernyeo
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@Lement: I have completely failed to understand what you quoted. I am reading that for 9 monsters, there is some kind of effective mitigation of 62%, and so forth. And I can't figure out what the evade has to do with it. Also I'm not seeing any distinction being made between BW and PA in those stats. I'm pretty sure I've just misunderstood though, maybe you could clarify?
About the maging, I did some exquisite IWs on easy with PKs nif gear, which I think counts as decent unforged equipment. Still got resisted like a madman, to the point where I had to start focusing to fight the big5. Which probably was only a good idea because it was easy. What I'm getting at is that it's probably not terribly difficult to put together the equipment that has the theoretical stats to do the blasting but I'm under the impression that the resisting is going to kick your ass either way.
This post has been edited by losernyeo: Jan 6 2013, 18:18
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Jan 6 2013, 18:30
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Insania
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Which should take priority HP or Physical Mitigation?
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Jan 6 2013, 18:36
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xdamx
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@losernyeo I quite wanna know your signature's picture, may you tell me any key word any where it from? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jan 6 2013, 18:42
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Evil Scorpio
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QUOTE(xdamx @ Jan 6 2013, 20:36)  I quite wanna know your signature's picture, may you tell me any key word any where it from? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) [ futanariobsession.com] Here you go.
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Jan 6 2013, 18:52
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Factofu
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Jan 6 2013, 18:57
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Temchy
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QUOTE(Insania @ Jan 6 2013, 17:30)  Which should take priority HP or Physical Mitigation?
Where do you need to chose between those two? Pure health is only increased by juggernaut (and well, hp tanks and white aura of course) and that does nothing but give you a bigger puffer for SS/SoL. STR and END both increase p.mit+(m.mit) and health. So losing on some mit on a piece of equip for more PABs should generally be worth it. Depends on the difference in numbers, though.
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Jan 6 2013, 19:01
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holerider
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QUOTE(Nightwishman @ Jan 6 2013, 23:58)  but pre 150 or even 175, I think Mace is the way to go.
I didn't bother with mace when I was at that level, just way too slow even on normal it was scythe all the way untill lv.200, then into estoc, but that only because I hit the lv.200 mark almost the same time the 0.72 patch came out I think I would of have to change to estoc earlier if I was at lower level when 0.72 came out since lower level players meet higher PL monsters at 160-ish now, I think? but that's maybe because I started to do BT and IWBTH at LV.100 if you're sticking with normal, and have good survivability, I would suggest scythe, and if you don't have good survivability? I still wouldn't suggest mace, I would suggest getting better armors, and then go get a scythe, much faster this way. Oh, by the way, this entire thing only stands on the ground that I assumed you were using heavy armor, if you were using light armor, you can just ignore me because I don't know jack shit about that.
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Jan 6 2013, 19:44
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Factofu
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No one can give me an advice?
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Jan 6 2013, 19:57
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Temchy
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QUOTE(pigowallace @ Jan 6 2013, 18:44)  No one can give me an advice?
Patience is a virtue. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) If you want an opinion: useable, but meh, sorta. Damage is just slightly above max superior, STR isn't that high, proc chance and duration are good, damage.. ok. Wind isn't that desireable, neither are katanas in general. A scythe will easily give more damage, but at least it's way better than mag cotton of protection.
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Jan 6 2013, 20:18
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Insania
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QUOTE(Temchy @ Jan 6 2013, 13:57)  Where do you need to chose between those two? Pure health is only increased by juggernaut (and well, hp tanks and white aura of course) and that does nothing but give you a bigger puffer for SS/SoL. STR and END both increase p.mit+(m.mit) and health. So losing on some mit on a piece of equip for more PABs should generally be worth it. Depends on the difference in numbers, though.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=33cfbf146dhttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=29945c5c31between those two
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Jan 6 2013, 21:20
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Factofu
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QUOTE(Temchy @ Jan 6 2013, 20:57)  Patience is a virtue. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) If you want an opinion: useable, but meh, sorta. Damage is just slightly above max superior, STR isn't that high, proc chance and duration are good, damage.. ok. Wind isn't that desireable, neither are katanas in general. A scythe will easily give more damage, but at least it's way better than mag cotton of protection. I thought that no one had read my message XD However... so Niten ichiryu isn't good as a fighting style? I know that there's no proficiency but when I don't have a lot of time its damage is very useful... or is better the 2-hand? This post has been edited by pigowallace: Jan 6 2013, 21:21
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Jan 6 2013, 21:22
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(chamois @ Jan 6 2013, 06:00)  You'll regret
I never regretted it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(Insania @ Jan 6 2013, 09:18)  Go with the one that gives you higher PMI, imo.
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Jan 6 2013, 21:38
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holerider
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How rare are the figurine drop?
I don't think I've got one yet, or maybe I've got one, But shrined it back when I didn't know the difference between ordinary artifact and the figurines
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Jan 6 2013, 21:38
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fishinsea
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QUOTE(chamois @ Jan 6 2013, 10:00)  You'll regret
Why don't you actually give it a try with nice DW profs/set before making these claims. QUOTE(Insania @ Jan 6 2013, 13:18)  The magnificent looks better. QUOTE(holerider @ Jan 6 2013, 14:38)  How rare are the figurine drop?
I don't think I've got one yet, or maybe I've got one, But shrined it back when I didn't know the difference between ordinary artifact and the figurines
You can't shrine figurines, they're rare as fuck though, I've only gotten 2 so far. This post has been edited by fishinsea: Jan 6 2013, 22:35
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