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It's not so bad, but I think having an auto-cast slot for spark of life would greatly help because of the high chance of getting killed in the later rounds. Battletoads with a mace takes 10 turns, estoc takes 6-8 on spirit stance on average, but I can do trio on IWBTH with a mace whereas I die by round 80 or so using estoc. I would use it for fast battletoads clears but IWBTH and long IW is kind of impossible right now
No, you gain proficiency before your spell hits the targets.

your phy mit is probably low or maybe you are using too much mana.

The slower you are in IW the more boring it will be.

your phy mit is probably low or maybe you are using too much mana.

The slower you are in IW the more boring it will be.

Yep, which is why I started grinding heavy prof for item world, doing it in shade is too tedious for me

Alright, back to ask the question again, some 30-40 levels later...

2H - Mace user; am I doing this right? I can get through Endgame, Dreamfall, Exile on normal as long as at least one Mana Gem drops. (2 for Exile, sometimes). And I can can clear them on Hard with relatively little difficulty. (Drink 2-3 superior mana potions usually)

I haven't really gotten any new gear yet. but I have had a couple things things stashed back that I'll experiment with. I got a staff I was using to forge on since I get a lot of wood from my monsters. I also have a couple two handed weapons.
I'll build a couple alt sets of gear and try them out.
Down side is I have hardly any proficiencies with other weapons. Ah well back to grinding.
I'll build a two handed set to try out first. Is a Fair Katana of Slaughter any good?

Alright, back to ask the question again, some 30-40 levels later...

2H - Mace user; am I doing this right? I can get through Endgame, Dreamfall, Exile on normal as long as at least one Mana Gem drops. (2 for Exile, sometimes). And I can can clear them on Hard with relatively little difficulty. (Drink 2-3 superior mana potions usually)

Don't bother with superior mana potion, drink godly mana instead.
Train pack rat if you haven't finish it.
Change your XXX spirit ward and dampening to XXX protection.

Maybe you should train your spirit tank instead of exp bonus.
At your level and on top of that heavy armour and your mace. You should be able to brute force using spirit stance all the way to clear all your arena on heroic and maybe nightmare.(I brute force on heroic&nightmare on your level using mace+light armour)

I haven't really gotten any new gear yet. but I have had a couple things things stashed back that I'll experiment with. I got a staff I was using to forge on since I get a lot of wood from my monsters. I also have a couple two handed weapons.
I'll build a couple alt sets of gear and try them out.
Down side is I have hardly any proficiencies with other weapons. Ah well back to grinding.
I'll build a two handed set to try out first. Is a Fair Katana of Slaughter any good?

Maybe link to your katana?
Katana is fine on easy-normal-hard, but not good on heroic and above.(for me at my level)
Experiment it first and then later you will find build that's compatible with you.

This post has been edited by t15: Dec 30 2012, 20:03

Alright, back to ask the question again, some 30-40 levels later...

2H - Mace user; am I doing this right? I can get through Endgame, Dreamfall, Exile on normal as long as at least one Mana Gem drops. (2 for Exile, sometimes). And I can can clear them on Hard with relatively little difficulty. (Drink 2-3 superior mana potions usually)

I am not a mace user, but I can say this; don't use shield armor unless you are 1h. What t15 said about the suffixes applies as well; you are basically only looking for power of protection/slaughter or plate/protection, depending on whether you die quickly. Looking at your profs, I'd guess you're not too much of a tank so I'd try to have at least two pieces of plate.

Next, your stats. Buff your agility more, to at least be like your dex. And your dex and agi should really be at least your level. People sometimes debate this but I believe you don't need to let your int lag that badly behind, as the XP scaling soon makes it worth putting more points in.

Finally, your abilities. Don't spec XP tanks, just training adept learner instead. I'd respec, you can keep everything else the same except imperil, which you don't need. All your newly freed up ability points should go into SP tanks and OC.

Back to your armor: as a heavy user, you might want to consider estoc for faster runs. With the new level scaling you'll start to meet tougher monsters with higher PMI sooner. Mace is more commonly used by shade users, to make up for their less reliable survivability. There's no rule saying you can't do heavy with mace but it is generally considered overkill on tank and lackluster on killing speed.

I haven't really gotten any new gear yet. but I have had a couple things things stashed back that I'll experiment with. I got a staff I was using to forge on since I get a lot of wood from my monsters. I also have a couple two handed weapons.
I'll build a couple alt sets of gear and try them out.
Down side is I have hardly any proficiencies with other weapons. Ah well back to grinding.
I'll build a two handed set to try out first. Is a Fair Katana of Slaughter any good?

At your level, with heavy armor? If you are doing anything above hell, you want an estoc to counter monsters with high PMI. Maybe if your heavy prof is too low you can try a mace for survivability but it'll take a long time, which is somewhat mitigated by rending blow (2H T2 skill) if you have it. Lower difficulties, scythe is preferable to katana. The fair prefix probably means that your katana is no good, anyway.

No, you gain proficiency before your spell hits the targets.

Thanks. However, why is it recommended to spam aoe holy/dark magic to grind proficiency instead of the single target version? Wouldn't that be more mana efficient?

Thanks. However, why is it recommended to spam aoe holy/dark magic to grind proficiency instead of the single target version? Wouldn't that be more mana efficient?

Because the wiki is occasionally not entirely right. Alternating the two is the fastest way to kill things usually, and probably the best way to not go batshit insane dealing with the 150+ levels of neglect on our Forbidden profs.

But if you want to be as efficient about it as possible, Crude IW, IWBTH, as much Wisdom and highest MC staff (BC gear won't get you Coalesced Mana) you can throw together, scan monsters and spam the single target ones that they're resistant to. I've done this before (grinding Deprecating for first IWBTH FSM kill) and I'll do it again most likely, but dear god it taxes sanity.

This post has been edited by PK678353: Dec 30 2012, 23:07

Maybe link to your katana?
Katana is fine on easy-normal-hard, but not good on heroic and above.(for me at my level)
Experiment it first and then later you will find build that's compatible with you.

I came across an Superior Estoc of Slaughter in my stockpile and have been using it. its not bad. (old RPG mentality, horde everything!) now just to grind my prof up to that lovely 104 my DW is.
Well off to commit genocide against a couple monster races.

This post has been edited by Kinsei: Dec 30 2012, 23:24

Because the wiki is occasionally not entirely right. Alternating the two is the fastest way to kill things usually, and probably the best way to not go batshit insane dealing with the 150+ levels of neglect on our Forbidden profs.

But if you want to be as efficient about it as possible, Crude IW, IWBTH, as much Wisdom and highest MC staff (BC gear won't get you Coalesced Mana) you can throw together, scan monsters and spam the single target ones that they're resistant to. I've done this before (grinding Deprecating for first IWBTH FSM kill) and I'll do it again most likely, but dear god it taxes sanity.

That taxing sanity thing is why I can't do it XD With your help I was able to get elemental up (fat lot of good that prof is... lol) but only because I was leveling my estoc anyway, and I had all the motivation. If I really think about it I need to grind divine, forbidden and dw, and light. And staff and cloth... FUCK. I don't even have 200 2h even though I main heavy + estoc.

As for FSM, i'm sitting on around 6 tokens of blood. As soon as I get a non-shit heimdall hat shoes and gloves I'm going to run over to FSM, stick weaken and silence on him, and pray. Because I have 0 divine and maybe 50 deprecating.

If I kill 2 or 3 monsters in a round and then flee, do the dead monsters also receive a win as well, or only the alive ones?

That taxing sanity thing is why I can't do it XD With your help I was able to get elemental up (fat lot of good that prof is... lol) but only because I was leveling my estoc anyway, and I had all the motivation. If I really think about it I need to grind divine, forbidden and dw, and light. And staff and cloth... FUCK. I don't even have 200 2h even though I main heavy + estoc.

As for FSM, i'm sitting on around 6 tokens of blood. As soon as I get a non-shit heimdall hat shoes and gloves I'm going to run over to FSM, stick weaken and silence on him, and pray. Because I have 0 divine and maybe 50 deprecating.

You have Spirit Shield and possibly Absorb. Silence isn't strictly necessary, though it's useful (be prepared for double skill taps though). Weaken is strictly necessary on IWBTH.

If I kill 2 or 3 monsters in a round and then flee, do the dead monsters also receive a win as well, or only the alive ones?

They all get wins.

This is mostly why melee is better than mage in long slogs. It's not about massive physical mitigation making survivability far easier, rather holding down 4 or 5 on your numpad is like 80-90% of the required effort.

This post has been edited by Herp in your Derp: Dec 31 2012, 02:34

Q: Does anyone still buy artifacts?

Q: Does anyone still buy artifacts?

A: Yes

so i have been playing as DW user for awhile and i feel frustrated on clicking that darn monster again and again, so i'm thinking of changing to 2 hand user but im using light armor. which is better estoc or mace?

so i have been playing as DW user for awhile and i feel frustrated on clicking that darn monster again and again, so i'm thinking of changing to 2 hand user but im using light armor. which is better estoc or mace?

Scroll back over what was said in the last 2 pages.

lostisa: Hold down keyboard buttons, not click with mouse.

so i have been playing as DW user for awhile and i feel frustrated on clicking that darn monster again and again, so i'm thinking of changing to 2 hand user but im using light armor. which is better estoc or mace?

HV Keyboard Hotkeys

Should save your poor mouse some abuse.

What's the most Hath you can get out of one artifact?