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I'm well aware of that. In all times let say up to lvl 300 it is not big issue. Sometimes, it takes some patching up with Soul Harvest, but is manageable - at least with my limited exposure to deep GF regions. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I just quit because of immense boredom, so I can't say precisely how long I can survive.

How fast you can clear rounds has a big effect on boredom. If you can watch TV or something while you play it also helps.

aizenteppa: You can put energy drinks in item slots. But there's a cap at 500 rounds I think?

It is not doing one long run, it is doing several long runs, every day, for months on end. I've only got one drop worth more than 100k in the time I've been HVing I think.

you should be able to do 400 rounds in a GF with great stamina per ED. It was 800 rounds in a CF.

For starter, long-term mages dont use elemental spells anymore, so obviously Katalox is the best choice

Ebony is more of a pre-150 mage's choice

I'm using a Exquisite Ebony Destruction so that makes me a newbie (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Not what I meant.

A good Destruction Katalox should have 30+ MD, 2 or 3 PABs (INT, WIS, AGI), EDB of 2, Proc chance of 30% with 1.5 base turn duration. Attainable even with Superior quality.

Unfortunately for Ebony staffs, what mages want is Elementalist suffix since the prof boost more damage than EDB at this point and they wont use elemental spells as soon as they unlock Forbidden spells.

Mag hallowed/demonic katalox of destruction is just an overkill and, as you said, rare

Humm I use a Willow for Dark and a Oak for Holy, they give me a higher magic score then any katalox I have. I'm also still fond of my old Redwood If I need to use ET a lot.

just wondering , how did you decide tag prize of one item in the shop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Humm I use a Willow for Dark and a Oak for Holy, they give me a higher magic score then any katalox I have. I'm also still fond of my old Redwood If I need to use ET a lot.

Yay~ Me too. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) The only two katalox staffs that I can find in WTS that give me a higher holy score than my puny 14 MDM oak staff are both legendaries, and one of them only gives ~+600 holy score despite being massively forged.

...It honestly makes me wonder if there's something off with the magic score formula. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

I'm using a Exquisite Ebony Destruction so that makes me a newbie (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
Humm I use a Willow for Dark and a Oak for Holy, they give me a higher magic score then any katalox I have. I'm also still fond of my old Redwood If I need to use ET a lot.

I'm assuming that Willow is a rather old example (say Fox)? The only way modern Willow can compete with Katalox at all is if it's Hallowed/Demonic.

I'm assuming that Willow is a rather old example (say Fox)? The only way modern Willow can compete with Katalox at all is if it's Hallowed/Demonic.

Its a Legendary Ethereal Willow Staff of Destruction, its too bad its not demonic. I've got a Katalox Staff of the Demon-fiend that is pretty close to the same magic score. Very high proficiency bonus helps a lot for magic scores.

Its a Legendary Ethereal Willow Staff of Destruction, its too bad its not demonic. I've got a Katalox Staff of the Demon-fiend that is pretty close to the same magic score. Very high proficiency bonus helps a lot for magic scores.

I think it's time for me to grab the Magic Scores script and play with it some. Seems odd that it can't be beat by any of your Katalox, since you should be able to get better prof (by 33%), MDB (by lots), and the same base EDB. Admittedly, a good Katalox with those stats (especially one of Legendary caliber) would probably require you to have actively sought one out, and they're not cheap. I am assuming you've got pretty high base prof considering your level (low base prof would magnify the effects of prof on damage compared to high prof, which would explain it).

Just seemed odd since my Magnificent Willow of Destruction (near perfect everything but Forbidden prof) gets beaten handily by my Magnificent Ethereal Katalox of Fenrir (-2% overall MDB, +5% overall Dark EDB factoring in existing EDB from Phase, +10 Forbidden prof at my level and gear for another few percent).

This post has been edited by PK678353: Dec 27 2012, 10:42

I think it's time for me to grab the Magic Scores script and play with it some. Seems odd that it can't be beat by any of your Katalox, since you should be able to get better prof (by 33%), MDB (by lots), and the same base EDB. Admittedly, a good Katalox with those stats (especially one of Legendary caliber) would probably require you to have actively sought one out, and they're not cheap. I am assuming you've got pretty high base prof considering your level (low base prof would magnify the effects of prof on damage compared to high prof, which would explain it).

Just seemed odd since my Magnificent Willow of Destruction (near perfect everything but Forbidden prof) gets beaten handily by my Magnificent Ethereal Katalox of Fenrir (-2% overall MDB, +5% overall Dark EDB factoring in existing EDB from Phase, +10 Forbidden prof at my level and gear for another few percent).

Hm, I think the projected EDB maximum for non-prefix/non-suffix willow staffs (or all prefix/suffix combinations?) is off by quite a lot on the wiki. My Legendary Ethereal Willow Staff of Destruction has 4.77 dark EDB, whereas it's only 3.89 on the wiki, so your magnificent willow staff is near perfect everything except for Forbidden proficiency and probably dark EDB as well. I'm not sure if that totally explains what you observe as being odd, though...

I think it's time for me to grab the Magic Scores script and play with it some. Seems odd that it can't be beat by any of your Katalox, since you should be able to get better prof (by 33%), MDB (by lots), and the same base EDB. Admittedly, a good Katalox with those stats (especially one of Legendary caliber) would probably require you to have actively sought one out, and they're not cheap. I am assuming you've got pretty high base prof considering your level (low base prof would magnify the effects of prof on damage compared to high prof, which would explain it).

Just seemed odd since my Magnificent Willow of Destruction (near perfect everything but Forbidden prof) gets beaten handily by my Magnificent Ethereal Katalox of Fenrir (-2% overall MDB, +5% overall Dark EDB factoring in existing EDB from Phase, +10 Forbidden prof at my level and gear for another few percent).

the stats on your willow seem low to me. If you can get 5 archmage it would make a big difference.

Hm, I think the projected EDB maximum for non-prefix/non-suffix willow staffs (or all prefix/suffix combinations?) is off by quite a lot on the wiki. My Legendary Ethereal Willow Staff of Destruction has 4.77 dark EDB, whereas it's only 3.89 on the wiki, so your magnificent willow staff is near perfect everything except for Forbidden proficiency and probably dark EDB as well. I'm not sure if that totally explains what you observe as being odd, though...

Exquisite Katalox Staff of the Demon-fiend has a lower MS of 82 points vs the Legendary Ethereal Willow Staff of Destruction So something like a legendary demonic katalox staff of the demon-fiend would be something i'd like to test.

Hm, I think the projected EDB maximum for non-prefix/non-suffix willow staffs (or all prefix/suffix combinations?) is off by quite a lot on the wiki. My Legendary Ethereal Willow Staff of Destruction has 4.77 dark EDB, whereas it's only 3.89 on the wiki, so your magnificent willow staff is near perfect everything except for Forbidden proficiency and probably dark EDB as well. I'm not sure if that totally explains what you observe as being odd, though...

I can definitely see the Willow wiki entry being off (it's not exactly a well-tracked commodity given that Katalox is so strongly preferred), assuming the actual Dark EDB max is higher it would allow top-flight Willow to do the same thing as top-flight Heimdall Oak and beat lesser Kataloxes at a single element. Time to update my user talk page again, I was thinking Willow was as useless as Longswords.

I was going off the data as it stood, which basically says Katalox is better for everything without even needing to hit Exquisite maxes. That's why I found it odd that 4everLost hadn't managed to find a better Katalox in all those IWBTH IWs he's done.

This post has been edited by PK678353: Dec 27 2012, 11:45

I can definitely see the Willow wiki entry being off (it's not exactly a well-tracked commodity given that Katalox is so strongly preferred), assuming the actual Dark EDB max is higher it would allow top-flight Willow to do the same thing as top-flight Heimdall Oak and beat lesser Kataloxes at a single element. Time to update my user talk page again, I was thinking Willow was as useless as Longswords.

I was going off the data as it stood, which basically says Katalox is better for everything without even needing to hit Exquisite maxes. That's why I found it odd that 4everLost hadn't managed to find a better Katalox in all those IWBTH IWs he's done.

IW suck for drops, even the Legendary IWBTH runs have gone to the dogs. Seems the only way to get a good staff is final round clears or get lucky with a trophy. Noodles are the only thing worth it, I used all these trophies the other day. I may have had 1 Mag and a few Exq from all that. There are just way too many LQ crap from trophies now.

ManBearPig Tail - 633
Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch - 617
Mithra's Flower - 642
Dalek Voicebox - 641
Lock of Blue Hair - 261
Bunny-Girl Costume - 263
Hinamatsuri Doll - 252
Broken Glasses - 524
Sapling - 20

I can definitely see the Willow wiki entry being off (it's not exactly a well-tracked commodity given that Katalox is so strongly preferred), assuming the actual Dark EDB max is higher it would allow top-flight Willow to do the same thing as top-flight Heimdall Oak and beat lesser Kataloxes at a single element. Time to update my user talk page again, I was thinking Willow was as useless as Longswords.

I was going off the data as it stood, which basically says Katalox is better for everything without even needing to hit Exquisite maxes. That's why I found it odd that 4everLost hadn't managed to find a better Katalox in all those IWBTH IWs he's done.

I've reached the same conclusion. If it's one ex willow of destruction vs one ex katalox of destruction, I think the katalox should win. However, ketalox is just damn rare; on the other hand, oak/willow are pretty common, so it may be possible to get a legendary willow/oak which is quite a bit better than ex katalox.

However, I doubt whether willow/oak's truly better when they're compared at the same quality level: for example:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=57db0ccd5c
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=254ca6fe29

The difference in magic score is quite noticeable. Though I do agree to pick whatever gives the best result, of course. It's just purely theoretical discussion. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by varst: Dec 27 2012, 13:36

lv45 melee needs a help! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

they both slightly better than others in some parts

im thinking the superior one

coz only -8 atk dmg and -crit etc compare to power boots


8 atk dmg +etc

32 hp+ etc

which one shld i equip? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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ps. is this game needs more dmg or more hp ? when my stats are balanced

This post has been edited by agnyrandom: Dec 27 2012, 16:31

1. You should post the equip's link (point at the equip and press 'c')
2. Use add-ons which show base stat, then compare the stat among the equips or check reference max/min.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Scripts_%26_Tools
Either Base Stat Display or HentaiVerse Equipment Comparison .
3. Take a look at wiki's advice page to see which stats are preferred for each build. Both of those equips should be inferior to plate/power of protection with 3 PABs.

This post has been edited by varst: Dec 27 2012, 16:42

lv45 melee needs a help! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

they both slightly better than others in some parts

im thinking the superior one

coz only -8 atk dmg and -crit etc compare to power boots
8 atk dmg +etc

32 hp+ etc

which one shld i equip? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[attachmentid=20994] [attachmentid=20995]
ps. is this game needs more dmg or more hp ? when my stats are balanced

Check your MoogleMail. I've sent you some stuff. Maybe it'll be useful. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

EDIT: If you don't know about MoogleMail - you can read about it here.

This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: Dec 27 2012, 16:54

@varst: yeah im trying to read the wiki when im stucked there are too many things to know yet.

thanks for ur advice, and

to post equip's link, like this?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6c8a324f14



@Evil Scorpio: omg thanks a lot!!

now i hope can go after 100th grindfest with these overwhelming[for me] items!!!!!!

once again thanks a lot Evil Scorpio!!!!

This post has been edited by agnyrandom: Dec 27 2012, 17:23

hi guys, I'd like to get some advice for a melee (equip-build)

currently Im using mace + shade armors, gonna change to Estoc soon.

my questions are :
1) what type of armor, suffix should I use together with an Estoc ??
2) How to preserve my MP when Im using Innate Arcana I ?

currently Im struggling to preserve my MP, perhaps Im doing something wrong (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

This post has been edited by RaLz-: Dec 27 2012, 17:23

I was planning to fight FSM in ring of blood (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Want to ask , how hard this monster in normal or hard difficulty ?
( coz it's hard for me to obtains token of blood drop ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Thx (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

hi guys, I'd like to get some advice for a melee (equip-build)

currently Im using mace + shade armors, gonna change to Estoc soon.

my questions are :
1) what type of armor, suffix should I use together with an Estoc ??
2) How to preserve my MP when Im using Innate Arcana I ?

currently Im struggling to preserve my MP, perhaps Im doing something wrong (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

1. Estoc is for armour with physical mitigation. So change to heavy armour or use kevlar of protection for light armour
2.
-Raise your supportive proficiency so your spell duration become longer and it will reduce your upkeep
-Raise your IA(it will reduce upkeep cost)
-Use estoc of battlecaster or illithid
-Only use spells with spirit stance(so you active spirit stance=>use spell=>turn off spirit stance)

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I was planning to fight FSM in ring of blood (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Want to ask , how hard this monster in normal or hard difficulty ?
( coz it's hard for me to obtains token of blood drop ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Thx (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

FSM on normal or hard isn't hard, just tons of HP compared to normal monster. If you use silence+weaken all the time you will not get any problem. And you're play as what? heavy melee, light melee or mage?

This post has been edited by t15: Dec 27 2012, 17:43

my questions are :
1) what type of armor, suffix should I use together with an Estoc ??
2) How to preserve my MP when Im using Innate Arcana I ?

1. Usually it's heavy armor + estoc, tank the damage and at the same time deals more to monsters.
2. IA1 won't actually safe your mana unless your spark triggers for every 5 turn. You'll need to find other ways to preserve your MP, like lowering difficulty, better equips, use focus, etc.

I was planning to fight FSM in ring of blood (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Want to ask , how hard this monster in normal or hard difficulty ?
( coz it's hard for me to obtains token of blood drop ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Thx (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You're a melee or a mage? FSM won't be that hard if you're prepared, though most of the time it's just better to challenge on lv.110 with silence.

Which is better for higher difficulties (I'm looking to do battle toads in Trio and the Tree)

Mixed heimdall/fenrir and using a rotation of Ragnarok/Banish (currently doing this, but I tend to finish round 100 on nintendo finishing all my potions and being almost out of mana and spirit, definitely can't go up a difficulty)

All Heimdall using Banish/Pestilence

All fenrir using Ragnarok/Purge