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It looks like you were hitting for about 10k mainhand, but then frenzied blows hits in the 90k range with SS on. SS should double the 10k to 20k, so how come it was hitting for an additional 4.5x damage per hit since iirc the skill has a 1x damage modifier?

Is Absorb of any utility now?

Is Absorb of any utility now?

No big change. Still okay for Schoolgirl runs or really long lasting rounds.

It looks like you were hitting for about 10k mainhand, but then frenzied blows hits in the 90k range with SS on. SS should double the 10k to 20k, so how come it was hitting for an additional 4.5x damage per hit since iirc the skill has a 1x damage modifier?

OC
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Skills#Damage
e: "Cleaving Blow"? someone feel like fixing that typo?

This post has been edited by Temchy: Dec 23 2012, 22:39

I agree. But, when PK678353 asked whether there was an EDB breakpoint at which monsters that are highly-resistant to cold stop being so much of an issue, I responded with "no" based on personal experience. I can do IWBTH arenas with my wind set (so forge upgrades aren't necessary; in fact, I have only ever done 16 forge upgrades), but I can't faceroll through them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) They are slow-going and require liberal use of Imperil. When I look at my freyr gear, I can't improve my damage significantly further just by buying new pieces. If wind-resistant monsters are to stop being an issue for me on IWBTH, I will have to turn to the forge and damage perks (which are unrealistic) and/or continue relying on Imperil, and that means PK678353 will also have those options when it comes to dealing with cold-resistant monsters. And who knows, maybe even after copious forge upgrades and damage perks, resistant monsters will still be an issue on IWBTH, but then I look at hito and tend to think otherwise.

I'm sure holy/dark mages have their own challenges as well, but with the way everyone talks about them, they seem to have a much easier overall time. My fenrir and heimdall suits aren't really good, so I can't fairly compare the three styles.

Yes I agree but I don't think I was addressing that point in my replies (probably because I agreed and was just elaborating on the latter stuff in your post (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
The "monster sample" rarely changes since there's basically everything in every level range now.

Not sure how easy Hito has it but you'd hope he's doing well considering his forging his worth more than his gear. There's a reason why the "most effective" players are using holy/dark (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The standards for good shift with time and what equipment you've already got. I actually suspect that that's part of the ever present complaints that drops always get worse it seems. I remember us getting quite excited over a piece of Superior Shadowdancer gear that Ichy dug up back when Shade was new, went for several hundred thousand at auction. It would fetch at most 75k now.

The thing about Destruction is that you either have to be high enough level for the fast scaling on MDB to really kick in or have a really good Destruction staff for it to actually beat out competing staves with other suffixes that are a tier higher in quality and still cheaper. I picked up a cheap Ex Destruction Katalox at auction, then realized that my Mag Fenrir gave better Holy damage due to better EDB/Prof (near max MDB on the Fenrir certainly didn't hurt there). Mediocre Destruction just gets killed by midrange specific element, and good Destruction in turn gets beat by top-flight stuff (why I use a Nif Staff, I can't afford a Destruction that can legitimately beat that thing). Destruction really does have quite a high bar to clear when you can often pick up a Magnificent X Staff of Y for 5k at auction. Only very good stuff is going to be better than the available alternatives (specific element still wins that particular element), and stuff that good is actually rather rare and expensive.
That's half the point of this thread, watching other people throw ideas at each other and see what sticks.

Yes. Good ole supply + demand
Mmmm which staff is best for you depends on your existing armour. (Remember it's multiplicative damage calculation.) When the armour focuses on high MDB (int/wis), the EDB route is nice for staff and vice versa. In your case since you had high overall quality in armor (exqs+ iirc), you basically needed a "high overall quality" staff so that makes sense for your nif gear.

I can't say the same for your dark/holy since I haven't seen the set. Maybe your set prioritized MDB hence the EDB staff was the better pick? I can't say.

IMO Kata destruction staves are dirt cheap now considering what they were worth before (a few magnitudes). Not sure about picking up a Mag staff for 5k at an auction though (I usually see the Mag ones go for decent when it's a decent suffix). Most bidders go higher than that for the salvage chance alone. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I need some help beating the school girl arena on IWTBH.
Exquisite Estoc of Slaugther
Exquisite Plate Helmet of Turtle
Superior Power Armour of Slaugthe
Magificant Plate Gauntlet of Protection
Superior Power Legging of Slaugther
Exquisite Power Boots of Slaugther
They take about 200 turns for me to kill.

Finish IWing that Estoc, or Voidseeker it. The girls each have a specific physical vulnerability (Crush/Pierce/Slash) and resist the rest, so if you're using Pierce, 3/4 of them are going to resist the shit out of it even with PA.

Yes. Good ole supply + demand
Mmmm which staff is best for you depends on your existing armour. (Remember it's multiplicative damage calculation.) When the armour focuses on high MDB (int/wis), the EDB route is nice for staff and vice versa. In your case since you had high overall quality in armor (exqs+ iirc), you basically needed a "high overall quality" staff so that makes sense for your nif gear.

I can't say the same for your dark/holy since I haven't seen the set. Maybe your set prioritized MDB hence the EDB staff was the better pick? I can't say.

IMO Kata destruction staves are dirt cheap now considering what they were worth before (a few magnitudes). Not sure about picking up a Mag staff for 5k at an auction though (I usually see the Mag ones go for decent when it's a decent suffix). Most bidders go higher than that for the salvage chance alone. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Yeah, I don't even use the magic scores script, I run my own numbers (usually back-of-the-envelope, but occasionally the full rundown). Safari's general script-unfriendliness is a large part of that though (I really should just rock Iron and be done with it).

I don't have a Heimdall set (and likely won't get more than a cheap crappy one purely for killing FSM for a good while), the Fenrir set's in the sig keeping the iceman suit company. I just tend to throw any sets I feel to be reasonably complete there so if anyone wants to know what I'm working with when I say 'I can BT X arena without issue with Nif'. My Heavy set is such shit (and so back burner) that I won't sig it, I'm using an Estoc that's in my shop for basically nothing (the armor is at least decent, but not for someone my level).

The fact that I do use an 8.06 EDB staff does mean I tend to prioritize INT/WIS over EDB on my Phase, definitely (then add higher than average Staff prof for another chunk of MDB). That definitely affects the relative scale of 80-120 extra MDB relative to my normal weapons (base of about 1530 MDB with Nif, 1430 with Fenrir). On the other hand, Tiap just put up an Exq Arctic of Destruction, I'm definitely throwing down some credits on that one.

Staff prices I may have slightly exaggerated, but I did pick up the Mag Ebony Focus (that I use to IW the other staves) and a Mag Mjolnir for 5k each at IIRC a 4everlost auction. I have seen Legendary Ebony go for 20k (it was basically a Magnificent, but Lement still got a Legendary Surtr for 20k). The Fenrir was far more expensive (170k, sorry T_Starrk).

This post has been edited by PK678353: Dec 24 2012, 00:18

OC
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Skills#Damage
e: "Cleaving Blow"? someone feel like fixing that typo?

Wait, for the OC value in the calculation:
If you're at 100 OC and use frenzied blows, is it 100 or 25 or even 15 (from spirit stance loss)?

OC
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Skills#Damage
e: "Cleaving Blow"? someone feel like fixing that typo?

Fixed.

Wait, for the OC value in the calculation:
If you're at 100 OC and use frenzied blows, is it 100 or 25 or even 15 (from spirit stance loss)?

Starting OC. Otherwise a Great Cleave from 50 OC would do 0 damage. Clarified that in the wiki.

Slobber: Dafuq?Exq Katalox of Destruction used to go for 400 000 000?

Slobber: Dafuq?Exq Katalox of Destruction used to go for 400 000 000?

Umm... I can still be considered newbie here, so I don't know anything about old price or history here.
But are you sure you're not having to many '0'?

Hence the "dafuq" part.

A long time ago superior katalox with 35 MDB are sold in some 500k price range.

so i have been playing HV for a few days and i decided to try lvling my item. exquisite staft and of course in normal difficulty but i ran out of potion at 75 round so my question is when will i be able to lvl my staft?

thanks

so i have been playing HV for a few days and i decided to try lvling my item. exquisite staft and of course in normal difficulty but i ran out of potion at 75 round so my question is when will i be able to lvl my staft?

thanks

For your level, do it on easy(same pxp gain with normal).
Restore mana using focus for mele and ether theft for mage.
If you're talking about lvl equipment 2-3 it's achieavable at your level(I level my exquisite katana to lvl 3 on easy at level 60-70). But beyond that beware of your sanity (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

thanks i'll try that

Initializing Item World (Round 129 / 158) ...
darn it that's the best i can do with 6godly mana pot i guest i need more slot

so i have been playing HV for a few days and i decided to try lvling my item. exquisite staft and of course in normal difficulty but i ran out of potion at 75 round so my question is when will i be able to lvl my staft?

thanks

It may not worth the time and effort to do IW below lv.100...just wait till your level's higher before spending your time there.

And take a look at the equips you're IWing. Most of the equips don't even worth the time to do the tedious IW.

This post has been edited by varst: Dec 24 2012, 10:05

It may not worth the time and effort to do IW below lv.100...just wait till your level's higher before spending your time there.

And take a look at the equips you're IWing. Most of the equips don't even worth the time to do the tedious IW.

i see, thanks i post my eq and stat once i hit 100 lol

It may not worth the time and effort to do IW below lv.100...just wait till your level's higher before spending your time there.

And take a look at the equips you're IWing. Most of the equips don't even worth the time to do the tedious IW.

Yeah, its tedious, mind-numbing and make me want to sleep (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) .
Maybe after my holy prof going up to 100 I can try faceroll on easy like drunken man (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Well...you can also post them now. Won't hurt to make changes sooner than later.
There's also some general advices. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yeah, its tedious, mind-numbing and make me want to sleep (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) .
Maybe after my holy prof going up to 100 I can try faceroll on easy like drunken man (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

There has been a time when item has levels. That's why I always said it's not the best way to enjoy HV till you can do that fast enough (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

This post has been edited by varst: Dec 24 2012, 10:22